New Zealand outdoor thread 2013/14 (all kiwis post!)

smokey the cat

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We don't get the Nuetrog stuff in the NZ Bunnings from what I can see. A shame as the I've wanted to have a play with their Go-Go juice for ages. That shit looks hilariously awesome.

I've struggled with crashing in flower too - Nitrosol and Seasol only get ya so far. When I switched to LED the more intense light exposed massive deficiencies. I think most of my problem tho has been using a shitty potting mix base which hasn't had nearly enough humus or variety for a properly healthy soil food web.

My thinking is that only using an organic fertiliser like Nitrosol with an inferior soil isn't enough to grow well. It adds blood&bone which will feed the microbes - but the soil web will quickly crash as they have little else to eat, and there's no diversity supported. This sets up a grow which is highly likely to result in plant deficiency. I'd finish a Nitrosol&potting-mix grow and the spent soil was almost grit and there would be fuck-all humus present.

Nitrosol only interacts with soil microbes. - your plant doesn't use it directly. So Nitrosol can only be an effective fertiliser if the growing system supports happy and abundant microbial life. In an outdoor grow at least there'll decomposing plants and humus and worms and other biological inputs - indoors with simple shite potting mix Nitrosol is definitely a sub-optimal choice. Better to switch to a chem fert and bypass the microbes in that case IMHO, that way at least the plant will get to eat.


I have a primo vermi-compost bin running but I've never used it indoors over fears of introducing little greeblies into the grow space. This run I said "fuck it" and am switching out half my potting mix for beautiful light fluffy compost and also using Yates Dynamic Lifter which is composted chicken manure, seaweed and blood&bone formed into a sheep-pellet shape.

Still dosing the plants with Nitrosol and Seasol - but the idea now is that there's the diverse quality inputs in the compost and Dynamic Lifter to ensure that there's more for the microbes to do than just eat Nitrosol.


Edit/ dynamic lifter stinks - this is why I was unwilling to use use it indoors in the past. Keep it under the top layer of soil and whack some molasses on there to get the fungi and bacteria started. Smell fades once the herd gets to work on the pellet.
 
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Letstrip

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Ive had enough of using liquid ferts in my backyard ive got onto some decent gear thats made in australia worked well on my chilli plants when I experimented with it.....power feed and nitrosil give me killer plants till flower then it was all downhill from there ....bout time I lifted me game seamungus, rocket fuel and kabloom im using this year all made by neutrog.cant get the real deal bat guano for outdoor here in aust not that I know of anyway
I agree. I used Nitrosol on my outdoor plant last season and it was just to much effort going up twice a week to feed it. It worked great while vegging but when flowering came it just wasn't that great.This year im just going to try and build a decent soil and maybe just use nitrosol occasionally.

We don't get the Nuetrog stuff in the NZ Bunnings from what I can see. A shame as the I've wanted to have a play with their Go-Go juice for ages. That shit looks hilariously awesome.

I've struggled with crashing in flower too - Nitrosol and Seasol only get ya so far. When I switched to LED the more intense light exposed massive deficiencies. I think most of my problem tho has been using a shitty potting mix base which hasn't had nearly enough humus or variety for a properly healthy soil food web.

My thinking is that only using an organic fertiliser like Nitrosol with an inferior soil isn't enough to grow well. It adds blood&bone which will feed the microbes - but the soil web will quickly crash as they have little else to eat, and there's no diversity supported. This sets up a grow which is highly likely to result in plant deficiency. I'd finish a Nitrosol&potting-mix grow and the spent soil was almost grit and there would be fuck-all humus present.

Nitrosol only interacts with soil microbes. - your plant doesn't use it directly. So Nitrosol can only be an effective fertiliser if the growing system supports happy and abundant microbial life. In an outdoor grow at least there'll decomposing plants and humus and worms and other biological inputs - indoors with simple shite potting mix Nitrosol is definitely a sub-optimal choice. Better to switch to a chem fert and bypass the microbes in that case IMHO, that way at least the plant will get to eat.


I have a primo vermi-compost bin running but I've never used it indoors over fears of introducing little greeblies into the grow space. This run I said "fuck it" and am switching out half my potting mix for beautiful light fluffy compost and also using Yates Dynamic Lifter which is composted chicken manure, seaweed and blood&bone formed into a sheep-pellet shape.

Still dosing the plants with Nitrosol and Seasol - but the idea now is that there's the diverse quality inputs in the compost and Dynamic Lifter to ensure that there's more for the microbes to do than just eat Nitrosol.


Edit/ dynamic lifter stinks - this is why I was unwilling to use use it indoors in the past. Keep it under the top layer of soil and whack some molasses on there to get the fungi and bacteria started. Smell fades once the herd gets to work on the pellet.
Totally agree with everything you just said!
 

ruby fruit

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Awesome im glad u guys are on the same page as me ....humus is in the neutrog brand seamungus pellets im doing all my grow this season with neutrog to see if im on a winner ...plus better soul instead of cheap bulk stuff ive learnt my lesson...

I reckon ill do one on rocket fuel and go go juice and the other on seamungus then when they flower its neutrogs kabloom ...ive researched them pretty hard should work all right....

Power feed nitrosil etc are brilliant for first two months or so but I dont yhink they wirk slow enough to get good roots snd main stem to much of it goes into greening the leaves i think
 

ruby fruit

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20140618_233940.jpg 20140618_233950.jpg This was just a $20 sample pack I experimented with the stuff on my chillis and the seamungus has added stuff in it like the humus your talking bout as well
 

Letstrip

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Awesome im glad u guys are on the same page as me ....humus is in the neutrog brand seamungus pellets im doing all my grow this season with neutrog to see if im on a winner ...plus better soul instead of cheap bulk stuff ive learnt my lesson...

I reckon ill do one on rocket fuel and go go juice and the other on seamungus then when they flower its neutrogs kabloom ...ive researched them pretty hard should work all right....

Power feed nitrosil etc are brilliant for first two months or so but I dont yhink they wirk slow enough to get good roots snd main stem to much of it goes into greening the leaves i think
Sounds like you've got it sussed out mate. Im probably gonna use this sun leaves guano kit that CK suggested for my outdoor plants: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sunleaves-Small-Bat-Guano-Kit-Jamaican-Indonesian-Mexican-All-Purpose-/221335755125?pt=US_Hydroponics&hash=item3388a39975

Whats the NPK like with those nutes your gonna use?
 

Maris

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someone belive that can grow one weed plant 12 years? someone is tryed to grow weed more than one year without topping?
 

ruby fruit

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Maris

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i somewhere find this in google accidentally there was great article lot about cannabis and was write can cannabis grow one plant until 12 years, I want to know someone is trayed? how looks like? HIgh
 

ruby fruit

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Awesome, looks exactly what the plant needs especially with all those micro nutes :)
What plants are you running this coming season?
Dunno mate I got a fair choice cos I stocked up on 3 orders from herbies past 3 months im really keen on wonder woman and cotton candy but theres 5 or 6 others to choose from as well I can really only do one where I am so im gonna do 2 and hope I get some quality this year ..im not greedy its personal id be happy as a pig in shit if I got 12 oz dry of dank
bud


As far as the nutes go my last 2 years have been pathetic I thought it was time to put some effort into it ...


Wat bout you mate u backyard or guerilla ? I see u guys like the sativa doms in ur climate like here in aust
 

Maris

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But how trees can stay 100 years. need to find formula how can let cannabis stay healthy over 10 years. no one is interested?
Jim Morrison.
 

smokey the cat

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Cannabis enters senescence during end of flower - the plant begins to die. It's an annual. If you flower the plant too long you'll see degraded buds and increasing likelihood of popping balls as plant desperately attempts to self-pollinate before death.

If you don't let it flower you can keep it going as long as you like. Hence Bonsai Mums that go for years and years. My oldest mum was about 18 months when I flowered iirc, tend to replace them more regularly now.
 

Letstrip

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Dunno mate I got a fair choice cos I stocked up on 3 orders from herbies past 3 months im really keen on wonder woman and cotton candy but theres 5 or 6 others to choose from as well I can really only do one where I am so im gonna do 2 and hope I get some quality this year ..im not greedy its personal id be happy as a pig in shit if I got 12 oz dry of dank
bud


As far as the nutes go my last 2 years have been pathetic I thought it was time to put some effort into it ...


Wat bout you mate u backyard or guerilla ? I see u guys like the sativa doms in ur climate like here in aust
Fair call man hope it all goes well, Im doing guerrilla. People do like sativas here but they grow best the further north you go. My line up is: Panama, Panama DC,Taskenti, LSD amd maybe another strain and possibly some cotton candy. Getting quite pumped for the season...
 

dimebong

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It's most likely possible to keep a plant going for 10 years. Some people have had mothers vegging for years, they don't let it grow out of control though, they prune the roots and growth.
 

ruby fruit

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It's most likely possible to keep a plant going for 10 years. Some people have had mothers vegging for years, they don't let it grow out of control though, they prune the roots and growth.
Yeah I know it can be done I guess I was just stirring a bit of shit ...I know a lad who has been able to keep an outdoor one going for 3 seasons and fuck me it gets better each yr being outdoor tho that would be pretty rare u think ?
 

ruby fruit

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Fair call man hope it all goes well, Im doing guerrilla. People do like sativas here but they grow best the further north you go. My line up is: Panama, Panama DC,Taskenti, LSD amd maybe another strain and possibly some cotton candy. Getting quite pumped for the season...
Ace panama ? Lsd from barneys ?
 
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