whole plant randomly yellowing days before flower. Opinions please.

[jonnynobody]

So I have this plant that was doing amazing then all of a sudden started to break down. Bad but the worse thing is she decided to do this days before flower. Now this is a week later and three days into flower. The plant is yellowing but it does not seem to be subjected to one part of the plant yellowing is throughout the whole plant.

pH is 6.6
PPM 690 *originally was 1950 nothing was wrong with her but I decided to check the run off next time I fed her. Once I did that my run off was nearly 2000 I freaked and lowered it to 500 that's when all my problems began the leaves started fading in color. So next feeding I boosted it to 1200 but no difference plants continued to go from fade green to yellow. So I lowered from 1200 to 690 but no positive changes.
Medium some Soil triple mix from hydro store
Watering Only when bone dry
Lighting 480w of LEDS
Nutrients Jungle juices version of the Lucus formula, Grozyme, Aquashield, superthrive, magical, and pyro clay.
Temp 70 min 80 max usually 75f
Air flow dyson type vertical fan on eco setting simulates natural wind fluctuations in power
RH 50 - 70 depending on day if its raining out or I just watered my RH peaks
Plant age 2 months been topped
Water tap water filtered to 000 tds

Anything else needed let me know..

Thought I had fungus gnats.. searched the first inch of soil placed a potato slice on my soil and even removed my plant from the pot and examined the roots (without disturbing the root ball) and no sign of larvae. I saw what I believe was a fungas gnat flying in my closet. Looked like a mosquito a little smaller but had no needle nose. I check my box twice a day min and that was the first time I had seen it. Needless to say a squashed it. I think it was a rouge gnat that got into my place and I killed it. Plus it couldn't mate on its own. Anyways I am stumped on what is causing my plant to start dying.

Here are some photos:

Okay, there are so many things wrong here. First, stop listening to the guy at the hydro shop and do your own research. Plants aren't that complicated, but hydro shops thrive off making it seem complicated.

You do NOT and should not be using 2000 PPM or anything even remotely close to 2000 PPM in soil. I've never even exceeded 700 PPM in passive water to waste hydro and my plants remain healthy. Whatever the bottle recommends, you should cut it down by 25%. They're trying to sell nutrients and they sell more by recommending a high dose which all too many people end up doing at the detriment of their grow.

Feeding too much will cause what you have which appears to be nutrient burn and nutrient lockout. You can not saturate the roots with that amount of chemical derived synthetic nutrient salts without severe repercussions as you are experiencing now.

Are you rotating water and nutrient cycles? Water, nutes, water, nutes? Or What I use to do was water, water, nutes, water, water, nutes. That way you don't have a build up of nutrient salts thereby avoiding the problems you're currently experiencing.

The plant needs the elements that are in those nutrient bottles, but the plant does not like the salt buildup that those synthetic nutrients come with. It's simply not natural and the plant has no way to deal with that. When do you think was the last time a plant in the wild (on land), which has developed for hundreds of millions of years through the process of evolution, experienced or evolved to deal with excessive synthetic nutrient salts in the root zone?

Plants will accept and use the mineral elements in a bottle of synthetic nutrients, but you must be careful to keep the root zone happy. Happy roots make happy stems and leaves which make happy flowers. All of those things have to be happy to produce a positive end result.

You could also simply reduce your nutrient concentration down to a low level and give nutrients every time you water. It's however you wanna spin the bottle my friend. Just don't give the plants too much of what they don't want or need. If you do, you'll get what you're experiencing now. Every time I go to my hydro shop, the clerks absolutely terrify the shit out of me in knowing how much money they drain from people that simply don't know the fundamentals of what makes a plant grow when I hear them draining another uninformed wallet.

On another side note, that's some nice tight node structure you have there. Good job on the topping. Dial in your nutrients and you'll be in like flynn.

Nutrient salt buildup / nutrient burn is the number 1 reason for plant problems on this forum. Number 2 would be pest problems.

 

[jonnynobody]

Man it sounds like you're loving it to death...lol...I mean no offense, but you're doing/giving/loving/feeding too much, and you're worried about stuff that makes no difference in a healthy soil...I suggest you leave it alone for awhile and just give it water...plain tap water set out for no less than 6 hours, open cap to evaporate the chlorine in it.
You know I'd just get some good soil and add 1/4 cup garden lime to a 5 gal bucket (full bucket) and not worry about it...the lime will balance your PH and the soil should grow her for you for at least 2-3 months, then transplant...that's all I do, except I use Miracle Grow Potting Soil with Miracle grow Perlite and Miracle Grow nutes OMG...not MG...yeah MG...
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You hit the nail right on the head. Love can do all sorts of crazy things in life. It can kill or nurture. Try to nurture your girls

 

[swaggersDlite]

if u cant fix it get General Organics line up it will help all deficiencies. no PH'ing on thaT line up. Here is something crazy you can fix that with just tap water dont filter it just use it, just watched a buddies grow go from zero to hero on just switching that i know it sounds crazy but its true(easy cheap fix). This is why i love organics way less headaches.

 

[jonnynobody]

if u cant fix it get General Organics line up it will help all deficiencies. no PH'ing on thaT line up. Here is something crazy you can fix that with just tap water dont filter it just use it, just watched a buddies grow go from zero to hero on just switching that i know it sounds crazy but its true(easy cheap fix). This is why i love organics way less headaches.

Giving the plant what it needs will cure all deficiencies. The plant needs all of the essential macro and micro elements whether they be supplied in an organic form that must be broken down by micro organisms over time or supplied by way of synthetic nutrient salts which are available to the roots and plant immediately.

Both ways accomplish the same goal of giving the plant what it needs to complete it's metabolic processes.

At this point, you need to get your root zone happy again. Get those excessive salts leeched out and water with plan water twice and then get back on track with the proper nutrient level.

Now that you've learned from your experience, you'll hopefully never experience this problem again. There are a million others waiting though

 

[SnaFuu]

I'll tell ya, I personally don't recommend flushing, but if you have a salinity build up, you may have to...A healthy plant with proper nutrition IMO doesn't need flushing, because it's getting 10% run off when you water/feed and any salinity build (old stuff) up goes out the bottom of my pots when I just water, and I water-water-feed, so I know I have washed out the old and ready for the new....And also you will know if you are starving her, she will droop BAD to tell you she's hungry for WATER first and food second, so don't over do it with the nutes....they say to start off small, that's so your plant can get used to them and see if she likes what you're feeding her...some plants like different nutes...I shouldn't say this after using supersoil, but all I use now is Miracle Grow products, they're cheap and very effective for MJ...some people will say it's doesn't have the right stuff for "good" MJ...MJ will grow in horse manure...so I say to all the MG haters ...here's MG at work with NO NUTES ADDED...so far...
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View attachment 3234654 ...4 weeks into flower...and still no nutes given yet...MG baby, cheap but effective.............................

Now imagine if REAL nutes were used!

 

[RIKNSTEIN]

Now imagine if REAL nutes were used!

What do you mean "REAL nutes"...are ya jealous...do you need some pics from my supersoil grow too...I've been growing MJ for years and MG works just as good as anything on the market...If you don't want to believe it, keep spending all that money that's not necessary on expensive soils and nutes, and I'll keep making all the money

 

[jonnynobody]

Now imagine if REAL nutes were used!

Now that you've seen proof that you're assumptions about MG are incorrect, you can feel free to retract that statement, we're all ears

I've never used MG, but I have used Jack's classic which is a similar product and it works great. It's also unbelievably inexpensive. I don't mean to beat ya up on this, but elements are elements. Who cares what company is selling them or what kind of lame pictures they put on the bottle / bag so long as the elements are balanced and the price is right, that's really all that matters.

It's always fun talking to new growers that found their way into this sub forum who say silly things like that, but I was there with them at one point in my life when I was new to the plant growing hobby myself so I can't hate on his position. I will correct it though

 

[jonnynobody]

What do you mean "REAL nutes"...are ya jealous...do you need some pics from my supersoil grow too...I've been growing MJ for years and MG works just as good as anything on the market...If you don't want to believe it, keep spending all that money that's not necessary on expensive soils and nutes, and I'll keep making all the money
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Absolutely amazing photos there. It's nice to know there are dedicated growers like myself doing bigger things than I am with the same passion. Rock it out my man!

What strain is that?

I'm currently running THC Bomb and I have no intentions of switching to another strain anytime soon. I found my honey pot, but I have my eye out for something special to eventually replace the bomb. There's a strain going around called gorilla glue #4 that looks like the strain you're growing in regards to resin production.

 

[jonnynobody]

I just keep looking over your photos there and I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but good job man. I'm on the edge of my seat wanting to know what strain that is. I'm only afraid you're going to tell me it's your own creation and I can't buy it from a seed bank

 

[SnaFuu]

I suppose that MG is just another medium, and if you can find away around time release ferts burnin the shit out of your plants then it "could" produce decent flowers. Those are nice lookin plants!

Im an aero/hydro guy so i don't mess with any soils. My one run-in with MG went south quick so yeah, im skeptical and bitter lol

And ill agree elements are elements. But the ratios and availability to the roots at certain times is out of your control with MG, is it not?

Food is food. But obviously mcdonalds won't give your body everything it needs, even if you could survive on it alone. And yes i just compared MG to mcdonalds

My nutes i use are a three part mix from my local grow shop. Relatively cheap compared to brand names they also carry. Because again, i agree it's all the same stuff.

Anyways if MG hasnt fucked you around yet, all the power to ya. Friends of mine use it as well. Maybe my strain i ran couldn't stomach it.

I'll stick to netpots and sprayers

 

[jonnynobody]

I suppose that MG is just another medium, and if you can find away around time release ferts burnin the shit out of your plants then it "could" produce decent flowers. Those are nice lookin plants!

Im an aero/hydro guy so i don't mess with any soils. My one run-in with MG went south quick so yeah, im skeptical and bitter lol

And ill agree elements are elements. But the ratios and availability to the roots at certain times is out of your control with MG, is it not?

Food is food. But obviously mcdonalds won't give your body everything it needs, even if you could survive on it alone. And yes i just compared MG to mcdonalds

My nutes i use are a three part mix from my local grow shop. Relatively cheap compared to brand names they also carry. Because again, i agree it's all the same stuff.

Anyways if MG hasnt fucked you around yet, all the power to ya. Friends of mine use it as well. Maybe my strain i ran couldn't stomach it.

I'll stick to netpots and sprayers

That is a very concise and on point response. I personally have not used MG, but I know of others that have found a way to dial it in somehow and have produced good results with it. I just use GH 3 part flora series which runs about $13 per quart for a total of under $40 for a complete line that will get you through vegetative and flowering stages. I have added a few additives over the years, but my entire lineup totals no more than $120 and will last me about 3 years with what I do, so for me, it was worth the investment and then some for cannabis specific nutrients.

I have had success with dirt, but I prefer the ease and control of hydro at this point. Hauling dirt in and out and then dealing with bugs got a little troublesome for me, so I tried out this passive hydro method and it relieved me of all my gripes I had about dirt.

Eventually I will try dirt again, but when I have a larger space to do composting and so forth. I'd love to play around with compost teas and such, but be it as it is, I don't have that space yet, so I'm on board the hydro train for now.

From what I've heard MG is is a little too hot for ideal cannabis growing, but somehow some way people seem to make it work. I think they just use a weaker ratio than MG suggests on the box, which makes sense to me. Hell I do that with the cannabis specific nutrients. Motherfuckers all just want to sell us more nutrients and that's the easiest way they accomplish their goal by suggesting us to use too much. That very reason is why you see so many people on these cannabis forums burning the shit out of their plants.

I am completely unfamiliar with time released fertilizers and have no interest in trying to dial that shit in. It was difficult enough dialing in synthetic nutrients for crying out loud

 

[SnaFuu]

That is a very concise and on point response. I personally have not used MG, but I know of others that have found a way to dial it in somehow and have produced good results with it. I just use GH 3 part flora series which runs about $13 per quart for a total of under $40 for a complete line that will get you through vegetative and flowering stages. I have added a few additives over the years, but my entire lineup totals no more than $120 and will last me about 3 years with what I do, so for me, it was worth the investment and then some for cannabis specific nutrients.

I have had success with dirt, but I prefer the ease and control of hydro at this point. Hauling dirt in and out and then dealing with bugs got a little troublesome for me, so I tried out this passive hydro method and it relieved me of all my gripes I had about dirt.

Eventually I will try dirt again, but when I have a larger space to do composting and so forth. I'd love to play around with compost teas and such, but be it as it is, I don't have that space yet, so I'm on board the hydro train for now.

From what I've heard MG is is a little too hot for ideal cannabis growing, but somehow some way people seem to make it work. I think they just use a weaker ratio than MG suggests on the box, which makes sense to me. Hell I do that with the cannabis specific nutrients. Motherfuckers all just want to sell us more nutrients and that's the easiest way they accomplish their goal by suggesting us to use too much. That very reason is why you see so many people on these cannabis forums burning the shit out of their plants.

I am completely unfamiliar with time released fertilizers and have no interest in trying to dial that shit in. It was difficult enough dialing in synthetic nutrients for crying out loud

LOL

Agreed buddy. Agreed.

 

[youngbuzz101]

Okay, there are so many things wrong here. First, stop listening to the guy at the hydro shop and do your own research. Plants aren't that complicated, but hydro shops thrive off making it seem complicated.

You do NOT and should not be using 2000 PPM or anything even remotely close to 2000 PPM in soil. I've never even exceeded 700 PPM in passive water to waste hydro and my plants remain healthy. Whatever the bottle recommends, you should cut it down by 25%. They're trying to sell nutrients and they sell more by recommending a high dose which all too many people end up doing at the detriment of their grow.

Feeding too much will cause what you have which appears to be nutrient burn and nutrient lockout. You can not saturate the roots with that amount of chemical derived synthetic nutrient salts without severe repercussions as you are experiencing now.

Are you rotating water and nutrient cycles? Water, nutes, water, nutes? Or What I use to do was water, water, nutes, water, water, nutes. That way you don't have a build up of nutrient salts thereby avoiding the problems you're currently experiencing.

The plant needs the elements that are in those nutrient bottles, but the plant does not like the salt buildup that those synthetic nutrients come with. It's simply not natural and the plant has no way to deal with that. When do you think was the last time a plant in the wild (on land), which has developed for hundreds of millions of years through the process of evolution, experienced or evolved to deal with excessive synthetic nutrient salts in the root zone?

Plants will accept and use the mineral elements in a bottle of synthetic nutrients, but you must be careful to keep the root zone happy. Happy roots make happy stems and leaves which make happy flowers. All of those things have to be happy to produce a positive end result.

You could also simply reduce your nutrient concentration down to a low level and give nutrients every time you water. It's however you wanna spin the bottle my friend. Just don't give the plants too much of what they don't want or need. If you do, you'll get what you're experiencing now. Every time I go to my hydro shop, the clerks absolutely terrify the shit out of me in knowing how much money they drain from people that simply don't know the fundamentals of what makes a plant grow when I hear them draining another uninformed wallet.

On another side note, that's some nice tight node structure you have there. Good job on the topping. Dial in your nutrients and you'll be in like flynn.

Nutrient salt buildup / nutrient burn is the number 1 reason for plant problems on this forum. Number 2 would be pest problems.

Hey johnny thanks so much for your advice, I have not added any nutes in a week and change just plain tap water thats been sitting out for about a week. But my plants are continuing burn and now they are burning significantly! Should I flush my medium again or should I just wait until next Saturday to water? ( that's my watering day).

Whats weird is the top growth looks healthy and growth is slowly starting to resume. But the old growth is continuing to die it is getting annoying. My 2 week clones have gone into flower already but my 2 month old problem child isn't responding to the change in light.

Help me out bro, whats my next step?