Anyone have information about the geoengineering over california?
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Pinworm
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Dr.StealthGrow
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http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?&verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA445568
Abstract : The purpose of this research was to investigate and characterize the in vitro cellular effects of exposing rat lung macrophages to aluminum oxide nanoparticles (30 and 40nm average size) compared to aluminum metal nanoparticles (50, 80, and 120nm). This study used toxicity endpoints involving cell viability, mitochondrial function, phagocytotic ability, and inflammatory response. Results indicated none to minimal toxicological effects occurred with exposure of macrophages as high as 500 microg/ml for 24 hours with aluminum oxide nanoparticles. However, there was significant delayed toxicity that occurred at 96 and 144 h post exposure. Exposure to aluminum metal nanoparticles indicated slight to moderate toxicity after 24 hours exposure at 100 and 250 microg/ml.
Abstract : The purpose of this research was to investigate and characterize the in vitro cellular effects of exposing rat lung macrophages to aluminum oxide nanoparticles (30 and 40nm average size) compared to aluminum metal nanoparticles (50, 80, and 120nm). This study used toxicity endpoints involving cell viability, mitochondrial function, phagocytotic ability, and inflammatory response. Results indicated none to minimal toxicological effects occurred with exposure of macrophages as high as 500 microg/ml for 24 hours with aluminum oxide nanoparticles. However, there was significant delayed toxicity that occurred at 96 and 144 h post exposure. Exposure to aluminum metal nanoparticles indicated slight to moderate toxicity after 24 hours exposure at 100 and 250 microg/ml.
AlecTheGardener
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So they are studying the effects of aluminum nano particles in rats.
Do you have a criticism or something to add? I am confused as to how this adds anything.
The USAF has tested the effects of aluminum nano particles on rats, cool.
Do you have a criticism or something to add? I am confused as to how this adds anything.
The USAF has tested the effects of aluminum nano particles on rats, cool.
heckler73
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And they made them inhale up to 500 mcg/mL !
Slight toxicity at 100 and 250 mcg/mL! Don't you know what this means?!?!?!?!?!?
Fuck all...
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reasonevangelist
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here you go:
http://forum.grasscity.com/pandoras-box/1322188-us-government-experiments-humans.html
Surely no one will continue to suggest that it's "absurd" that any government (especially ours, and all its well integrated post WW2 nazi tactics... "operation paperclip") would "secretly experiment" on its own populace... it's kinda part of their modus operandi.
http://forum.grasscity.com/pandoras-box/1322188-us-government-experiments-humans.html
Surely no one will continue to suggest that it's "absurd" that any government (especially ours, and all its well integrated post WW2 nazi tactics... "operation paperclip") would "secretly experiment" on its own populace... it's kinda part of their modus operandi.
Dr Kynes
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well that would mean that the rats were essentially drowned in metal dust, and thus it is no surprise they died.
Dr Kynes
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yes, they have experimented on the populace, MANY TIMES.
their experiments are generally based on science, not imaginary "chemtrails", weather control machines, pyramid power, crystal "energy", orgone rays or mad claims of "geo-engineering"
AlecTheGardener
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reasonevangelist
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Yes, lab rats typically end up dead, one way or another.
In fact, i would suggest that no death should ever be surprising, since we're all mortal animals who will inevitably die, somehow, someday.
The obvious next step is human testing... which, evidently, is the point of spraying "something" over human-populated areas, without telling them anything is happening... at least not right away, and not until after it's already too late, and not until/unless they've been caught red-handed, "secretly experimenting" on people, despite the fact that "truthers" and "seekers" and "tinfoil hats" have been taking notice and pointing out indications of these events, throughout the entire process (many of which get disregarded via the "oh that's just ridiculous" defense... which is similarly effective as the Wookie Defense...)
Dr Kynes
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their claims are invariably SO FUNDAMENTALLY RETARDED that dismissing them is the only reasonable decision.
the HAARP array is NOT a weather control machine, woodstock (version 1.0) was not rained out because the evil "geo-engineers" seeded the clouds, pyramids have no powers beyond those found in cubes, rhombuses or spheres, "chem trails" are the result of normal aircraft operation and not "spraying", there are no 7 foot tall lizard aliens stealing our children's screams to power their 9th dimensional empire, etc etc etc.
reasonevangelist
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lol. That's some good hyperbole sarcasm there.
I think one of the problems (i tried to express/explain this in the "conspiracists are bad" thread...), is that the evidenced and credible claims, get lumped into mixture saturated by obviously bogus crap, which then has lots of people automatically disregarding the stuff worth actually thinking about and investigating.
Bad theories give good theories a bad rep. That's part of how the disinfo machine works. ^^
There is a difference between "chem-trails" and "con(densation)-trails." The major problem is, that difference is not visible to the untrained and unaided naked eye from the ground, And, that those who tend to buy into the crazy bogus theories, also seem to be the most vocal about any of the disturbing theories...
Either way, i think it's safe to assume that the evil (parts of the) government, are ALWAYS experimenting on us, in one way or another... and most probably various ways, with concurrent perpetual experiments.
What does "geo-engineering" even mean? Seems like that could apply to just about any method of altering any part of the earth. We, as humans, have been "geo-engineering" throughout our existence. But "to what degree?" is the essence of the question here. Agent Orange was some pretty significant "geo-engineering," IMO. Depleted Uranium munitions should probably be counted among the "geo-engineering" transgressions.
Dr Kynes
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1) "chemtrails" are a fiction, as already explained at length in previous "chemtrails" threads
2) the god of the gaps fallacy is a weak excuse. "they must be doing something because we cant find any evidence of it" is rank sophistry of the lowest order
3) DU munitions are not "geo-engineering". they are use because they have high mass, and some unique peoperties which lend these materials great utility in munitions, not to "irradiate" anything. DU munitions radiation is fucking negligible, you are getting more radiation from your computer screen or your iPhone right now
4) throwing around the word "transgressions" is a fabulous way to paint anything as evil by simply laying the charge.
reasonevangelist
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I think fucking up the planet in ways that don't self-correct in a reasonable timeframe, thereby significantly affecting millions of people, causing immeasurable misery... can be legitimately counted as "transgressions."
Dr Kynes
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first, demonstrate that "chemrtrails" are anything but a fiction
second, demonstrate how these "chemtrails" are fucking up the planet
third, demonstrate how ANYONE is affected by a fictional phenomenon
fourth, detail the "Immeasurable misery" these figments of your imagination are causing
THEN you can claim "trangressions"
reasonevangelist
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Hey wait... you're not making the error of assuming i'm attributing all the planet polluting to "chemtrails," are you? Because i'm not. My intention was to remain ambiguous about "chemtrails," without discounting the very real possibility that government agencies are indeed spraying harmful chemicals all over people and regions, for whatever purpose they deem justified.
Also, regarding "how anyone is affected by fictional phenomenon," see religion. Any of them will do just fine to serve as an example of how "anyone is affected by fictional phenomena." Lots of people are and have been affected by theists believing and acting upon fictional phenomena.
But it's not "the fictional phenomena" causing the problem: it's the people acting on the belief of it, which then impacts others... to the extent of which, cannot be fully understood, due to "the multiplex nature of causality." So, there's your "immeasurable suffering." Although, i intended to move toward the Agent Orange angle, not the theism/religion angle. Agent Orange is some fucked up shit, and it's STILL fucking shit up, and will continue to do so, for a very long time. I consider AO a transgression, no matter which way you slice it. Can you quantify the totality of the misery caused by just that one factor alone? I bet you can't. You can probably get kinda close... but there's really no telling "what might've been," had all those people not been so thoroughly affected by it.
Dr Kynes
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you have yet to establish that "chemtrails" exist, and nobody else has managed to demonstrate that they are anything other than a figment of the imagination either.
IF you somehow manage to establish that "chemtrails" are real, THEN you may begin attempting to show they are having some effect. until such time however, "chemtrails" are a fantasy.
equating the fictional "chemtrails" with the actions performed by REAL PEOPLE in support of religion is beyond specious.
i am well aware of the defoliant "Agent Orange", and it's effects, you howevver seem to be under the grossly mistaken impression that "Agent Orange" is still on the prowl, lurking in the back alleys and sucky-fucky bars of southeast asia, causing "untold harm" to this day through the God Of The Gaps Mechanism of "the multiplex nature of causality." which sounds super clever to the moronic, but in reality, it means NOTHING.
Agent Orange denuded some jungle, which has long since grown back (except those areas which were continually cleared for agriculture and propaganda purposes) and did in fact cause some health problems and even a few birth defects, but Agent Orange is small potatoes compared to the misery inflicted on the people of Vietnam by THE GOVERNMENT OF VIETNAM in the 40 years since we failed to protect them from their own cupidity.
or do you somehow imagine people would prefer being gunned down in a rice paddy over the mass grave they had to dig for themselves, to the small possibility of getting cancer some 30 years in the future?
were they grateful for being burned out of their villages, and seeing their families hung en masse for their "counter-revolutionary attitude" during the war, rather than face the grim prospect of eventually acquiring some debilitating disease form Agent Orange Exposure?
youre full of blame, shame and unsupported claims, but lean on facts and logic.
reasonevangelist
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When people are involuntarily thrust into and stuck between fucked and more-fucked... should either outcome be "celebrated?"
A quote i encountered in the wild a few times in the outback of the internets: "saying it's not okay to be unhappy while someone has it worse, is the same as saying it's not okay to be happy while someone has it better."
Ironically enough, i've encountered many people who seem to embrace both sides of that quote, as in: it's not okay for me to complain, ever, because someone, somewhere (likely many) has it worse... but it's also not okay for me to be satisfied with less, because others have more... MUCH more... but then that gets contradicted by all the insinuations and imposed expectations, that i'm supposed to be happy with whatever i get, whatever i can grab, whatever befalls me. There's too much bullshit "witticism" out there, masquerading as wisdom.
Just like i can't "know" a god exists or doesn't, i can't "know" whether chemtrails "actually are trails of chemicals being sprayed on us intentionally for some purpose." I Can, however, "know," that our government and its various octopi agencies, are indeed motivated and authorized to do things We The People would NOT knowingly grant them authorization to do... and not just to Us. They do what they will, and if no one can ever pin them down after catching them red handed, they will never admit, to Us, that they have done anything wrong, and further, will attempt to humiliate and discredit anyone who suggests otherwise. That is, until they actually get caught (like they did with all the stuff listed in that one thread i linked). But then they're only sorry for being caught. Meanwhile, they are STILL doing loads of "untold" damage, while never having been sufficiently punished for all the other shit we know because they finally admitted it.
IMO, it's the smarter and safer assumption, to simply Assume that the government and its various autonomous parts, ARE doing whatever bad thing anyone thinks the evidences suggest they might be doing. How many times will you allow someone to grievously betray you, before you adopt an attitude of permanent suspicion and perpetual scrutiny?
It may be unfair or woefully inaccurate to say "the government," as in the naming of the responsible parties as "the government," is the one "doing" all these things to us. Maybe we should figure out the specific agencies involved in each thing, because i'm pretty sure "the whole government" is not secretly and knowingly conspiring against us in hundreds of different ways. But the few elite and most important ones, surely know what's going on, at least well enough to be reasonably expected to know that they should not do what has been and is being done. But ALL of them act as if "that's the craziest thing i've ever heard!" Especially those who DO know what and why they shouldn't, but continue anyway.
Anyway, there's a lot i want to say, but i suppose i've become jaded and disinclined.
I'm not sure why you insinuated that "the multiplex nature of causality" "means nothing." It clearly does, and what i was alluding to, is that almost nothing is ever caused by One single factor, and the complexities of various causes, known and unknown, often Does result in something called "immeasurable consequence." It's called "immeasurable," because you cannot measure it. There are too many causes and factors converging, for any "regular person" to even approach a sufficient understanding.
Where do you think "chemtrails" would come from? That's right: Real People, doing Real Actions, affecting Other Real People (and plants and wild and/or domesticated animals)... and all because they "believe" that they should do whatever they're doing, whether it's rooted in individualism or imperialism, or any other combination of any number of incalculable things, which ultimately leads to people's chosen actions. I could say Nationalism is equivalent to Religion(ism). People are taught to worship their country like a God, and their "officials" like Saints. Some of us figure out that's not the right way to view the world, but many do not, and those are the "ours" i worry about. I think pretty much anyone who realizes how full of shit All Governments really are, will be pretty much okay, as far as understanding the world well enough. Life is way too short to waste it on the wrong tasks... but that's what most of us do!
And you're absolutely right: i am indeed full of blame and shame... because i think it's important to blame the right person for the shameful acts so many continue committing. Also, i'm ashamed of the way those who make the world what it is, have made the world what it is (and no, i'm not referring to the good people doing good things, who try like hell to counteract the insurmountable detriments needlessly created by the others).
Life is also too short for everyone to obtain and know all of the details of every event. For this reason, we should embrace a more heuristic approach, but fine-tuned in such a way that it almost never fails. We can apply logic and reason to almost anything, and obtain a typically equivalent answer, even without all the relevant facts. We can figure who is doing all the bad shit, and why to expect them to continue doing it. We don't even NEED "ALL" the facts. We only need the specifically damning ones; the rest is largely irrelevant, except when the details become important (example: knowing who to charge with what: who "gave authorization" versus who carried out the actions... i would prefer those asserting false authority and commissioning the atrocities, to be more severely punished than those who actually commit the acts commissioned, because it's likely those "just doing their job" felt some sense of duress, because that's how order-followers are trained... and a person who lacks empathy will likely not understand why they are being punished in the first place, which is another can of worms...)
As for AO... it is indeed "lurking in the back alleys." It's still in the soil, and Monsanto is still operating. They're even allowed to sue farmers whose crops were pollinated involuntarily by Monsanto (spreading their) shit! Makes me want to patent some type of destructive mold, inoculate Monsanto headquarters, and then sue their ass for breeding MY mold "product." Maybe spores could be delivered via "chemtrail?" Maybe That's what the "chemtrails" really are? Maybe it's Monsanto spraying pollen from planes, trying to infect as many non-monsanto crops as possible, in order to create a scenario where they can claim "all farmers are pirates, because they "stole" our patented genetics! (which we sprayed on them on purpose, but let's omit that part)")