ARE THERE ANY EXPERIENCED SOIL GROWERS WHO USES NUTES?

[Ace Yonder]

Amend ur own soil or buy a special hot soil ( I use recipe 420 from e.b stone) and add a 6" layer to the bottom of ur pot. Works well for me, dont have to feed till flower, 6 week veg.

I'll have to try Formula 420. I really like Vermifire, even the non super soil plants I put in vermifire were nute free for my full outdoor veg and first week of flower, and it's cheaper than Foxfarm and Roots.

 

[hyroot]

just read this thread and its all you need to know.

Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

Chems are filled with salts that need to be flushed. Also when you smoke chem grown bud, you absorb those chems into your body. Causing all kinds of health issues down the line. The run off from chem nutrients also pollutes ground soil and ground water sources.

Get a worm bin going and source all your nutes locally via, nursery or backyard , etc.. get the hydro shop mentality out of your head.

 

[gardengardian7]

just read this thread and its all you need to know.

Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

Chems are filled with salts that need to be flushed. Also when you smoke chem grown bud, you absorb those chems into your body. Causing all kinds of health issues down the line. The run off from chem nutrients also pollutes ground soil and ground water sources.

Get a worm bin going and source all your nutes locally via, nursery or backyard , etc.. get the hydro shop mentality out of your head.

 

[vostok]

I confess I do buy my organic soil from the hippies down at the river, I have done for the last 20 plus years, and if necessary add goat shit, and perlite or sand and thats about it, I've gone lazy over the years but their mixtures are great ...so sweet ...lol ...always shop local ...lol

 

[Ace Yonder]

just read this thread and its all you need to know.

Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

Chems are filled with salts that need to be flushed. Also when you smoke chem grown bud, you absorb those chems into your body. Causing all kinds of health issues down the line. The run off from chem nutrients also pollutes ground soil and ground water sources.

Get a worm bin going and source all your nutes locally via, nursery or backyard , etc.. get the hydro shop mentality out of your head.

I agree about 90%, except the part about absorbing chems into your body... all of the chems that I would feed to plants are chems that I would also take internally if I felt the need to, I really see no problem adding a little potassium nitrate or potassium phosphate or potassium chloride (probably the bulk of chemical fertilizers) to my body. I mean, who here doesn't add sodium chloride to half the things they eat? Anyone here bake without sodium bicarbonate? Should we abandon all baked goods that use processes other than yeast to rise because they require chemicals? Really the main problem I personally see with unflushed chems is the rather harsh taste and feel they give to smoke. But whether is comes in the form of a chemical salt or the breakdown of organic matter, the actual chemicals that the plant uptakes are rather identical, they are just derived from different sources. It's the difference between eating fruits/vegetables and taking a multivitamin. They each have their advantages and disadvantages, but at the end of the day, the purpose is to give the exact same thing. We are all made of chemicals, it is the nature of our biology, our chemistry. I like organics as much as anyone, but they are just a different way of getting the exact same chemicals to the plant.

 

[RIKNSTEIN]

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[hyroot]

we hqt

I agree about 90%, except the part about absorbing chems into your body... all of the chems that I would feed to plants are chems that I would also take internally if I felt the need to, I really see no problem adding a little potassium nitrate or potassium phosphate or potassium chloride (probably the bulk of chemical fertilizers) to my body. I mean, who here doesn't add sodium chloride to half the things they eat? Anyone here bake without sodium bicarbonate? Should we abandon all baked goods that use processes other than yeast to rise because they require chemicals? Really the main problem I personally see with unflushed chems is the rather harsh taste and feel they give to smoke. But whether is comes in the form of a chemical salt or the breakdown of organic matter, the actual chemicals that the plant uptakes are rather identical, they are just derived from different sources. It's the difference between eating fruits/vegetables and taking a multivitamin. They each have their advantages and disadvantages, but at the end of the day, the purpose is to give the exact same thing. We are all made of chemicals, it is the nature of our biology, our chemistry. I like organics as much as anyone, but they are just a different way of getting the exact same chemicals to the plant.

You are sadly mistaken my friend. What about nickel, strychnine, cadmium, arsenic, mercury, lead, and ethylenediaminetetraacetate. Are these natural minerals you put in your body every day? Hell no! These are poisons. They can cause metal poisoning, various types of cancer, spinal issues, respiratory issues etc..... bho will do the same thing and more

Every single bottled nutrient except for dragon fly earth medicine has these chemicals and heavy metals. They are not labeled on the bottle. They are disclosed with the department of agriculture in each state. They have to register their products with doa and disclose all info about their products for legal sale . The Oregon department of agriculture lists them on their web site to the public..


When you flush a plant it does not rid the plant of nutrients. It only rids the plant of inorganic salts. All our buds and all your leaves would have to be white with every deficiency to rid the plant of nutrients.

 

[Ace Yonder]

we hqt


You are sadly mistaken my friend. What about nickel, strychnine, cadmium, arsenic, mercury, lead, and ethylenediaminetetraacetate. Are these natural minerals you put in your body every day? Hell no! These are poisons. They can cause metal poisoning, various types of cancer, spinal issues, respiratory issues etc..... bho will do the same thing and more

Every single bottled nutrient except for dragon fly earth medicine has these chemicals and heavy metals. They are not labeled on the bottle. They are disclosed with the department of agriculture in each state. They have to register their products with doa and disclose all info about their products for legal sale . The Oregon department of agriculture lists them on their web site to the public..


When you flush a plant it does not rid the plant of nutrients. It only rids the plant of inorganic salts. All our buds and all your leaves would have to be white with every deficiency to rid the plant of nutrients.

Those are all things that are present is dirt, except maybe the ethylenedwhatchamacallit, and none of them are dangerous in the levels you would be absorbing from smoke. Even organically grown things can absorb stuff like that. We all know the chemical addatives in cigarettes are bad, but the vast majority of cancer caused by cigarettes is most likely caused by Polonium 210, which as absorbed by tobacco straight from the earth's crust no matter if you grow it 100% organic or not. Most things that are toxic are beneficial or necessary in very small quantities, just like chlorine, which is totally toxic but we could not live without. Aside from meteors and comets and such, everything on earth comes from earth, we can synthesize things but we are only recreating what already exists, using what already exists. Human's don't have mysterious chemistry sets that come from the planet zargon that introduce brand new and never seen before toxins into the world, we just find ways to extract or recreate exactly what we want. And every year we get better and better at it. Every ten years science and technology advance more than they have in the entire history of humanity up to that point. Also, flushing doesn't actually remove ANYTHING from the plant itself, it removes excess buildup from the soil and forces the plant to use the reserves it has stored in the leaves, but you won't be flushing any salts or heavy metals that were previously absorbed out of the flowers or plant material itself. If it absorbed cadmium during the grow, it will have cadmium in it, washing its root system won't remove that from the flowers no mater how much water you run over them.

 

[ErieR33FER]

we hqt


You are sadly mistaken my friend. What about nickel, strychnine, cadmium, arsenic, mercury, lead, and ethylenediaminetetraacetate. Are these natural minerals you put in your body every day? Hell no! These are poisons. They can cause metal poisoning, various types of cancer, spinal issues, respiratory issues etc..... bho will do the same thing and more

Every single bottled nutrient except for dragon fly earth medicine has these chemicals and heavy metals. They are not labeled on the bottle. They are disclosed with the department of agriculture in each state. They have to register their products with doa and disclose all info about their products for legal sale . The Oregon department of agriculture lists them on their web site to the public..


When you flush a plant it does not rid the plant of nutrients. It only rids the plant of inorganic salts. All our buds and all your leaves would have to be white with every deficiency to rid the plant of nutrients.

your saying BHO (butane hash oil) gives you cancer/has harmful chemicals in it? sorry just tryign to clarify

 

[hyroot]

your saying BHO (butane hash oil) gives you cancer/has harmful chemicals in it? sorry just tryign to clarify

yep. There's fifty different gases and chemicals even in the most refined butane. They all purge at different rates and temps. The most harmful, benzene which is highly carcinogenic and propane propellants. There's no such thing as clean bho. The best wax makers only get 95% clean. If winterized that removes terpenes. Aside from flavor. Terpenes are delivery system for cannabinoids. So winterized bho has no medical attributes.

 

[ErieR33FER]

yep. There's fifty different gases and chemicals even in the most refined butane. They all purge at different rates and temps. The most harmful, benzene which is highly carcinogenic and propane propellants. There's no such thing as clean bho. The best wax makers only get 95% clean. If winterized that removes terpenes. Aside from flavor. Terpenes are delivery system for cannabinoids. So winterized bho has no medical attributes.

k thanks man i figured there'd be alot of bad mojo goin on in butane just wanted to hear what you had to say about it.
Ive made BHO a few times and it rarely comes out very good lol.
But i have had some real good Blueberry ISO oil that actually smelled liek blueberry it was so delicious.
ISO Oil is teh way to go

 

[urban1026835]

I had a couple extra plants left over in small containers after I put the keepers in big pots, so i used them to do a little experimenting and one thing I noticed is that, soil web or not, with plants that have outgrown their pots, it seems to me that sometimes there isn't enough soil and microbial activity to break down organics rapidly. I had three plants that had outgrown their pots and were all pretty identical. On one of them I stayed organic, and on the other two I started feeding with Veg+Bloom Dirty (A chemical fert designed for soil) and the difference is crazy now, the organic one is still very small while the chem fed ones are exploding. It is worth noting however, that I also have plants in larger pots that haven't outgrown the pots and become root bound, some of which are organic and some of which have been fed with the Veg+Bloom Dirty, and in the plants that have large pots, I see no difference in size or vigour between the organics and chem fed. So maybe in plants that have become root bound, when there is very little soil left in the pot and it's mainly just roots, chem can provide the nutes in an form that the rootbound mass can easily absorb while organics fail to be broken down and utilized due to the lack of soil and soil web microbial activity. Wow I really had trouble keeping that concise, my bad. I can post pictures tomorrow when the sun comes up if anyone wants to see that I mean.

+rep for the V&B..I love this stuff 4g a gal 2.5ml plex and damn...sorry for the off topic post

 

[hyroot]

Those are all things that are present is dirt, except maybe the ethylenedwhatchamacallit, and none of them are dangerous in the levels you would be absorbing from smoke. Even organically grown things can absorb stuff like that. We all know the chemical addatives in cigarettes are bad, but the vast majority of cancer caused by cigarettes is most likely caused by Polonium 210, which as absorbed by tobacco straight from the earth's crust no matter if you grow it 100% organic or not. Most things that are toxic are beneficial or necessary in very small quantities, just like chlorine, which is totally toxic but we could not live without. Aside from meteors and comets and such, everything on earth comes from earth, we can synthesize things but we are only recreating what already exists, using what already exists. Human's don't have mysterious chemistry sets that come from the planet zargon that introduce brand new and never seen before toxins into the world, we just find ways to extract or recreate exactly what we want. And every year we get better and better at it. Every ten years science and technology advance more than they have in the entire history of humanity up to that point. Also, flushing doesn't actually remove ANYTHING from the plant itself, it removes excess buildup from the soil and forces the plant to use the reserves it has stored in the leaves, but you won't be flushing any salts or heavy metals that were previously absorbed out of the flowers or plant material itself. If it absorbed cadmium during the grow, it will have cadmium in it, washing its root system won't remove that from the flowers no mater how much water you run over them.

mj and hemp are used in phytoremedion to clean up toxic chemicals. Think about that when you put those chemicals in your soil. You can justify using chemicals all you want but it still harmful no matter how you spin it.

 

[Ace Yonder]

mj and hemp are used in phytoremedion to clean up toxic chemicals. Think about that when you put those chemicals in your soil. You can justify using chemicals all you want but it still harmful no matter how you spin it.

I acknowledged that already, if you read my post. That's not the point. You said that flushing removes those metals/chemicals from the plant and I disagreed, and you say nothing about those very same heavy metals that you are so concerned about being present in the earths crust and absorbed by organic plants straight from the earth. You cherrypick your data and sidestep arguments that run counter to your point, that isn't the way to gain knowledge, that's how you become an ideologue, and it's kind of irritating when you are trying to have a discussion.

 

[Ace Yonder]

your saying BHO (butane hash oil) gives you cancer/has harmful chemicals in it? sorry just tryign to clarify

Yes but you inhale the same chemicals (probably in larger amounts) every time you use a butane lighter.

 

[hyroot]

I acknowledged that already, if you read my post. That's not the point. You said that flushing removes those metals/chemicals from the plant and I disagreed, and you say nothing about those very same heavy metals that you are so concerned about being present in the earths crust and absorbed by organic plants straight from the earth. You cherrypick your data and sidestep arguments that run counter to your point, that isn't the way to gain knowledge, that's how you become an ideologue, and it's kind of irritating when you are trying to have a discussion.

I never said flushing removes chemicals. Now you are making shit up. I did flushing does not remove nutrients. It only rids the plant of inorgnic salts. Your plant would have to Have major deficiencies to rid of nutrients.

 

[Ace Yonder]

I never said flushing removes chemicals. Now you are making shit up. I did flushing does not remove nutrients. It only rids the plant of inorgnic salts. Your plant would have to Have major deficiencies to rid of nutrients.

Are you really nitpicking the difference between "inorganic salts" and "chemicals"? Are you saying that inorganic salts are NOT chemicals? Also, flushing doesn't rid the PLANT of anything, it rids the SOIL of salts, and forces the plant to use up it's stored nutrients. Also, those inorganic salts ARE nutrients. The potassium in potassium nitrate is the same potassium that the plant uses as a nutrient, namely potassium. The nitrate is what it uses for nitrogen. I think you need to do some more research, even if just in a dictionary so that you can know what the words you use mean.

 

[urban1026835]

saw something about flicking your bic close to your bowl being hazardous to my health as well still I cant see myself ever using a hemp wick.

 

[Ace Yonder]

saw something about flicking your bic close to your bowl being hazardous to my health as well still I cant see myself ever using a hemp wick.

Yeah, something about the flint dust from the sparker. I used to weld aluminum, between that and all the tungsten grinding, I don't worry too much about what my lil lighter fumes are doin' to me hahaha.

 

[hyroot]

Are you really nitpicking the difference between "inorganic salts" and "chemicals"? Are you saying that inorganic salts are NOT chemicals? Also, flushing doesn't rid the PLANT of anything, it rids the SOIL of salts, and forces the plant to use up it's stored nutrients. Also, those inorganic salts ARE nutrients. The potassium in potassium nitrate is the same potassium that the plant uses as a nutrient, namely potassium. The nitrate is what it uses for nitrogen. I think you need to do some more research, even if just in a dictionary so that you can know what the words you use mean.

Chemical salts build up is caused by chemical nutrients. Salts are just sodium. Nothing else. No nutrient value for plants at all. Natural organics does not produce any salt build up. Quit tryimg to spin chems in your favor. Potassium is a sugar. Not a salt. I dont use potassiu. Mnitrate nor silicate. All natural all day. No man made crap.