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why you shouldn't get a flu shot

Padawanbater2

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Of course...however, unless one is compromised, the flu vac is only partially effective on a yearly basis. I know you wish to argue, I made the distinction between revenue generation and actual effectiveness. I was vac'd in the '50s for smallpox and polio....to my knowledge I only had one smallpox booster when I went thru bootcamp/induction. I had maybe 3-4 boosters of polio (Salk then Sabin). Those two diseases were eradicated in the US.........flu isn't
Vaccines prevent illness, they don't eradicate illness. Like I said, diseases evolve, vaccines need to evolve accordingly. You will never get a vaccine that prevents against a disease 100% unless it's a cure. We can cure things that do not evolve, that's where the difficulty in curing things like diabetes, cancer and hepatitis come in, each of these evolve.

I haven't been vaccinated for the flu since I was in grade school, I haven't had the flu since at least as long, does that mean vaccination is ineffective? No, it simply means I haven't been exposed to the flu virus since I've been vaccinated for it. It holds no bearing on said vaccines effectiveness.

We know how diseases/virus' spread, we know how to stop them. Vaccines are the most effective tool to combat disease and have saved upwards of 30 million lives since the 20th century began. Smallpox, polio, ... a sitting president suffered from the effects of polio, the most powerful man in the world at the time, since then, we've all but eradicated it because of vaccines.

Diseases evolve, medicine needs to evolve accordingly. An extremely small fraction of a percentage of those that use vaccines might still become infected, though this holds no bearing on the success of vaccines overall.
 

Singlemalt

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Vaccines prevent illness, they don't eradicate illness. Like I said, diseases evolve, vaccines need to evolve accordingly. You will never get a vaccine that prevents against a disease 100% unless it's a cure. We can cure things that do not evolve, that's where the difficulty in curing things like diabetes, cancer and hepatitis come in, each of these evolve.

I haven't been vaccinated for the flu since I was in grade school, I haven't had the flu since at least as long, does that mean vaccination is ineffective? No, it simply means I haven't been exposed to the flu virus since I've been vaccinated for it. It holds no bearing on said vaccines effectiveness.

We know how diseases/virus' spread, we know how to stop them. Vaccines are the most effective tool to combat disease and have saved upwards of 30 million lives since the 20th century began. Smallpox, polio, ... a sitting president suffered from the effects of polio, the most powerful man in the world at the time, since then, we've all but eradicated it because of vaccines.

Diseases evolve, medicine needs to evolve accordingly. An extremely small fraction of a percentage of those that use vaccines might still become infected, though this holds no bearing on the success of vaccines overall.
Not so verbosely, but I said that. So we're in agreement
 

tytheguy111

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I'm still waiting on the OP, as he seems to be adamantly against vaccination...

Right and im aware that tge flu is rapidly evolving

But imo the big pharma uses it as a excuse if that makes sense

Yes meesuls and small pox was a good vaccine but I was originally talking about the flu shot or some shit man

So like then they did this with Ebola and the swine flu

Ebola I used as a mire recent event that raised falgs for me

And the swine flu was a incident that showed also how they like control the media not in bribes but saying bullshit in there ear
 

Padawanbater2

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Right and im aware that tge flu is rapidly evolving

But imo the big pharma uses it as a excuse if that makes sense

Yes meesuls and small pox was a good vaccine but I was originally talking about the flu shot or some shit man

So like then they did this with Ebola and the swine flu

Ebola I used as a mire recent event that raised falgs for me

And the swine flu was a incident that showed also how they like control the media not in bribes but saying bullshit in there ear
I'm not trying to be confrontational at all, but I'd appreciate it if you would put your thoughts into a more formal sentence/paragraph structure, otherwise I feel like I have to cut/quote comment on each of your points, which is extremely inefficient.

I'm drunk, man, cut me some slack por favor bongsmilie
 

Dr.Pecker

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I didn't know they put all that crap in a flu shot. I think i would rather have the flu. I never had a flushot don't take antibiotics either. I haven't been sick with the flu in about three years.
 

tytheguy111

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I'm not trying to be confrontational at all, but I'd appreciate it if you would put your thoughts into a more formal sentence/paragraph structure, otherwise I feel like I have to cut/quote comment on each of your points, which is extremely inefficient.

I'm drunk, man, cut me some slack por favor bongsmilie

u trying to scrap with me???

bitch i have my num chucks

and im not afraid to use them
 

TakeTheTicket

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First of all, it just doesn’t work.
The propaganda machine will tell you that the flu shot is “60% effective”, but this is a blatant manipulation of the statistics. This article published last year at Natural News explains how the numbers are “massaged” to present the picture that Big Pharma (who funds the research) wants presented. In actuality, the flu shot prevents the flu in only 1.5 out of 100 adults. You can wade through the abstract at The Lancet here.
1.5%. Let that sink in. That means that you have a 98.5% chance it WON’T work. Why would anyone possibly have something foreign injected into his or her body with those odds?
Part of the reason it is ineffective it because it’s guesswork. Scientists must attempt to predict which 3 viruses (of the over-300 influenza viruses that have been identified) will be the most prevalent during a given year. If you get the flu shot and are then exposed to virus #4-300, you will have no additional immunity to those.
Natural News published an article that tells us many of the people being struck down in the current epidemic have received vaccinations, which clearly did not have the desired effect.
Secondly, there are horrible things in the flu shot.
The flu shot contains some incredibly nasty stuff. Obviously it contains the virus itself, either “dead” or “attenuated” (weakened). But it also contains a host of other harmful toxins. The inclusion of these toxins is not speculation – you can read the CDC’s ingredients lists of the common vaccines in the United States
Following is a little primer giving some information on the toxic ingredients that you can find in the CDC’s ingredients lists. Take the time to cross-match these toxins to the vaccine that is given in your area. You have the right to request the ingredients insert before you take the vaccine or subject your child to it.

2-Phenoxyethanol is an anti-bacterial agent being used as a replacement for the preservative Thimerosal (mercury). It’s considered a very toxic material that could cause a boatload of side effects, including behavioral disorders … vomiting … diarrhea … visual disturbances … convulsions … rapid heart rate … central nervous system disorders … depression … kidney, liver and blood disorders … and reproductive defects.
Aluminum shows up in vaccines in many forms – like aluminum phosphate, aluminum hydroxy phosphate sulfate and aluminum hydroxide, to name a few. It works as an “adjuvant” to stimulate your immune system’s response to the virus in the vaccine. The problem is … aluminum is a particularly dangerous neurotoxin. It has the ability to slip past your body’s natural defenses and enter your brain – potentially causing brain damage … Alzheimer’s disease … dementia … convulsions … and coma. Human and animal studies have shown that aluminum can even cause nerve death.
Ammonium Sulfate is a substance commonly added to pesticides. It’s not known at this time if it’s cancer-causing, but it has been suspected of gastrointestinal, liver, nervous system and respiratory system toxicity.
Beta-Propiolactone ranks high as a hazardous chemical on at least five federal regulatory lists. It caused lymphomas and hepatomas after being injected into lab mice, but its true effect on humans is not known. Due to animal study results, the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) has classified beta-propiolactone as a possible human carcinogen.
Formaldehyde is used as a preservative to stabilize the vaccine. It’s a colorless, flammable, strong-smelling chemical that’s mostly used in industry to manufacture building materials and produce many household products. Plus, it’s also used to embalm – and preserve – dead bodies. (Remember the frog in your high school biology lab?) Formaldehyde is suspected of weakening the immune system and causing neurological system damage … genetic damage … metabolic acidosis (excessive blood acidity) … circulatory shock … respiratory insufficiency … and acute renal (kidney) failure. It’s been classified as a known human carcinogen (cancer-causing substance) by IARC and is ranked as one of the most hazardous compounds on at least eight federal regulatory lists.
Formalin helps preserve the vaccine. It’s a mixture of formaldehyde, methanol and water. It’s mostly used to preserve tissue samples in health care laboratories and presents the same danger to your health as formaldehyde does.
Gentamicin Sulfate is an antibiotic that ‘s been known to cause deafness or loss of equilibrioception (sense of balance). It can also be highly nephrotoxic (damage your kidneys) if multiple doses accumulate over time.
Monosodium Glutamate (MSG) excites and poisons your cells and tissues. It’s used as a stabilizer in vaccines and is also found in many processed foods. MSG has been shown to cause retinal degeneration … behavior disorders … learning disabilities … reproductive disorders … obesity … and even lesions on the brains of lab animals. Allergic reactions to MSG can be severe.
MRC-5 Cellular Protein is human diploid cells taken from aborted human fetuses. They’re used as a culture to grow the virus.
Neomycin is an antibiotic that has been shown to have multiple effects on your body. It can be a neurotoxin and an ototoxin (affect hearing and balance). It also can cause respiratory paralysis, kidney damage and kidney failure. Plus, it retards your vitamin B6 absorption, sometimes leading to mental retardation and epilepsy. Some allergic reactions to neomycin can be life threatening.
Octoxinol-9 is a vaginal spermicide.
Phenol is included in vaccines to help stimulate immune response. Instead, it does the opposite – by inhibiting phagocytic activity. Phagocytes are your body’s first line of defense. They engulf and digest antigens and activate the other elements of your immune system. Phenol’s phagocytic-inhibiting effect actually hinders your immune system from properly dealing with the pathogens that are entering your body through the vaccine.
Phenol is used in the production of drugs, weed killers and synthetic resins, so you can imagine the effect it has on the human body. It’s considered to be toxic to your cardiovascular, gastrointestinal, nervous, reproductive and respiratory systems … your liver … your kidneys … and your skin. Phenol is so deadly that is was used by the Nazis as a means of extermination during the World War II. Phenol injections were given to thousands of people in concentration camps – especially at Auschwitz-Birkenau – to kill those who were mentally ill, had incurable tuberculosis and were permanently incapable of work.
Polymyxin B is an antibiotic with some nasty side effects – neurotoxicity and acute renal tubular necrosis (the most common cause of kidney failure).
Polysorbate 80 (Tween-80) works as a stabilizer in the vaccine. It’s used in a wide variety of products including ice cream, milk products, vitamin tablets, lotions and creams and medical products like vaccines and anti-cancer medications. But it’s not as safe as it sounds. According to the December 2005 issue of Annals of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology, polysorbate 80 can affect your immune system and cause severe anaphylactic shock, which can kill. It also causes cancer in animals.
Plus, the inclusion of aluminum and even formaldehyde with the mercury in the vaccine magnifies the problem. Aluminum can make the mercury 100 times more toxic. Toss in formaldehyde as well, and one independent study found that mercury toxicity was increased by 1,000 times.

I’d honestly rather take my chances with the flu than to have myself injected with something that carries the risk of such side effects on the off-chance (the 1.5% off-chance) that I might avoid catching the 1% of viruses that the shot “protects” me from
Next, I do not trust the FDA.
FDA approval means less than nothing to me. If the FDA approves it, it just means that the company behind it has enough money and clout to get it approved. I do not trust the FDA to look out for the best interests of me
here are some of the observations that really show the agenda of the agency:

The FDA wants to be in control of ALL things ingested by the American people. The FDA is simply an enforcing tentacle of the big business organized crime syndicate that actually runs the United States, and is thus complicit in the plans of the New World Order.
The FDA can overlook the horrible side effects and suicides caused by anti-depressant pharmaceuticals while attempting to ban the sale of St. John’s Wort, a remedy that has been used successfully for hundreds of years.
The FDA can bypass the deadly e-coli outbreaks occurring in massive factory farms where the animals are squeezed in so compactly that they can’t turn around, but they want to prosecute an organic farmer for using manure as compost.
The FDA can cheerfully tell the American people, “Don’t worry, there’s nothing to see here” with regard to the ever-rising radiation levels in milk but they want to raid the dairies of an Amish man who sells milk right from the cow, as it has been consumed for centuries.
The FDA wholeheartedly supports genetic modification of our crops and livestock. The FDA endorses additives and preservatives. The FDA promotes chemical pharmaceuticals over gentle natural remedies.
In MANY hospitals and healthcare facilities across the United States, employees are required to either get a flu shot or wear a mask at all times. This includes doctors, nurses, surgeons, etc. I don't see them dropping dead or suddenly becoming retarded. The developers of the flu vaccine try their best to predict which strains of flu will be most active this year and then release a vaccine based on that data. If you don't like the vaccine, don't get it.
 

tytheguy111

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In MANY hospitals and healthcare facilities across the United States, employees are required to either get a flu shot or wear a mask at all times. This includes doctors, nurses, surgeons, etc. I don't see them dropping dead or suddenly becoming retarded. The developers of the flu vaccine try their best to predict which strains of flu will be most active this year and then release a vaccine based on that data. If you don't like the vaccine, don't get it.


oh ik it doesn't make you retarded or make you have instant death syndrome


i understand what it is

but its the idea of the matter mostly

they put toxic shit in there with three different strains of influenza but there are like 300 strains of it

so why get something shot into your arm and has tons of toxins and has a 1% chance of working???

if anything ur worse off because it will lower your immune system then you can catch any of the 100s of strains vary easily
 
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