the girls are looking jacked up

[DurbanP]

Every time I think I have these girls back on track something else goes south. They look over watered to me but I don't think that it causing this. We have had higher than normal humidity lately, could that be causing this?

They haven't changed since my last update, even after a strong feeding. Should I feed twice in a row or still every other water?

Thanks everyone

 

[tekdc911]

is it all the same cut ?
what you running them in ?
at a glance id say cal/mag from the chrome looking leaves i could be wrong though hard call not sure what the problems is ?
what are they doing ?

 

[DurbanP]

is it all the same cut ?
what you running them in ?
at a glance id say cal/mag from the chrome looking leaves i could be wrong though hard call not sure what the problems is ?
what are they doing ?

The new growth is like neon green and some of the leafs are folded like taco shells downward. That's why I thought it looked over watered.

I add call mag to my mix almost every water as well

 

[DurbanP]

But they were all grown from seed

 

[tekdc911]

The new growth is like neon green and some of the leafs are folded like taco shells downward. That's why I thought it looked over watered.

I add call mag to my mix almost every water as well

humidity being to low i think , soil being to wet , or and excess of N will cause the claw
maybe they are just cal mag whores
what kind of water you using ?
i mean dont get me wrong plants look great
but if it were in my garden i would be concerned about the yellow around the edges and between the vein's

 

[tekdc911]

neon green is kinda normal on new growth
atleast for me it is
usually ill have dark green fans / almost purple they are so green
and lime / neon new growth

 

[tekdc911]

and a side note i have a couple plants that claw when they flip to flower

 

[DurbanP]

humidity being to low i think , soil being to wet , or and excess of N will cause the claw
maybe they are just cal mag whores
what kind of water you using ?
i mean dont get me wrong plants look great
but if it were in my garden i would be concerned about the yellow around the edges and between the vein's

Thanks for the replies. I'm using RO water, but adding cal mag as I've heard lots of people note they tend to require more under LED.

They are going on 5 weeks of flower now. I first thought N toxicity and flushed them well, but never got them to shake the claw. They are still going and packing on weight just have this necrosis of some leafs.

 

[gardengardian7]

It seems as if there may be some over watering and some nute burn IMO. I did a little page turning for you and i believe this is what you needed to see:
[The problem your havign sounds like a standard N tox. Too much Nitrogen in your medium. Or they are staying too wet either one of them or both.

N tox causes dark green leaves and pans to curl under like a "crows claw", common name for it. They will start at the tips curling under and if you keep topping up with Nitrogen the whole leaf will curl under from the center and become really skinny.

If you take this into flower the buds will become really stretched and deformed and be basically no longer nugs but little bud calyx's on stretched stems. I hope this is some help.]

 

[DurbanP]

It seems as if there may be some over watering and some nute burn IMO. I did a little page turning for you and i believe this is what you needed to see:
[The problem your havign sounds like a standard N tox. Too much Nitrogen in your medium. Or they are staying too wet either one of them or both.

N tox causes dark green leaves and pans to curl under like a "crows claw", common name for it. They will start at the tips curling under and if you keep topping up with Nitrogen the whole leaf will curl under from the center and become really skinny.

If you take this into flower the buds will become really stretched and deformed and be basically no longer nugs but little bud calyx's on stretched stems. I hope this is some help.]

Thanks for the reply.

I don't think it is N toxicity. I flushed the soil well before last feeding. I've fed it lightly so far, last time feeding was my first at full strength.

I think it is a humidity issue. It was taking a long time to dry out the soil between watering and the Temps were getting a little low. I turned the furnace on last night, that will drop humidity and correct Temps for them. I'm debating adding some Epsom salt to my next water.

I.could be wrong, but just don't think N tox ..... water and humidity could be the problem

 

[gardengardian7]

Thanks for the reply.

I don't think it is N toxicity. I flushed the soil well before last feeding. I've fed it lightly so far, last time feeding was my first at full strength.

I think it is a humidity issue. It was taking a long time to dry out the soil between watering and s were getting a little low. I turned the furnace on last night, that will drop humidity and correct Temps for them. I'm debating adding some Epsom salt to my next water.

I.could be wrong, but just don't think N tox ..... water and humidity could be the problem

I was looking at some photos that were similar to yours. I myself recognize the leaf tip folding which is nute burn experiencing and the canoe look or the claw as being to wet. They may have had both. Some N tox and over watering and stress from feeding then flushing prior and probably didnt get a chance to dry enough on top of continually feeding. Also do you have enough air-flow i dont see any fans? And by the way the plants are
gorgeous bro.

 

[tekdc911]

Thanks for the reply.

I don't think it is N toxicity. I flushed the soil well before last feeding. I've fed it lightly so far, last time feeding was my first at full strength.

I think it is a humidity issue. It was taking a long time to dry out the soil between watering and the Temps were getting a little low. I turned the furnace on last night, that will drop humidity and correct Temps for them. I'm debating adding some Epsom salt to my next water.

I.could be wrong, but just don't think N tox ..... water and humidity could be the problem

even with all the flushing the soil itself may still contain more N then the plant requires for flower

 

[gardengardian7]

The new growth is like neon green and some of the leafs are folded like taco shells downward. That's why I thought it looked over watered.

I add call mag to my mix almost every water as well

even with all the flushing the soil itself may still contain more N then the plant requires for flower

Good storage in them leaves!

 

[gardengardian7]

What ratio on nutes are you using( ?-?-?)..............?

 

[tekdc911]

Good storage in them leaves!

see what i mean by almost purple they are so green

 

[gardengardian7]

see what i mean by almost purple they are so green

Man those are beautiful. Heres one of my girls shes still vegging. Shes has purple on her from early stages. Shes petite.

 

[tekdc911]

Man those are beautiful. Heres one of my girls shes still vegging. Shes has purple on her from early stages. Shes petite.

nice !
how long of a veg ?
i cheat when i grow mine out
the haze i got the seeds from is a slow grower ..... these have had a 3 months veg before flip ( they really do their growing during flower ) and are roughly 3-4 weeks into flower ..... they are 10-12 week flower times so only 2 harvest from the photo's a year but i get 2 harvests of auto's during the veg times

 

[gardengardian7]

nice !
how long of a veg ?
i cheat when i grow mine out
the haze i got the seeds from is a slow grower ..... these have had a 3 months veg before flip ( they really do their growing during flower ) and are roughly 3-4 weeks into flower ..... they are 10-12 week flower times so only 2 harvest from the photo's a year but i get 2 harvests of auto's during the veg times

Do to budgetting strategies and not really in a rush ive been vegging them for two months.

 

[DurbanP]

I was looking at some photos that were similar to yours. I myself recognize the leaf tip folding which is nute burn experiencing and the canoe look or the claw as being to wet. They may have had both. Some N tox and over watering and stress from feeding then flushing prior and probably didnt get a chance to dry enough on top of continually feeding. Also do you have enough air-flow i dont see any fans? And by the way the plants are
gorgeous bro.

even with all the flushing the soil itself may still contain more N then the plant requires for flower

Thanks for the help guys. To answer some of the questions you asked.

It has a .48" tower fan that blows on them, under and over he canopy, plus the intake is below the canopy with a nice steady stream of air coming in. I think it has a decent amount of air movement inside the cabinet.

I'm using maxi bloom 5-15-14 for my flowering nuts (but due to.what I thought was N tox before--purple veins in leafs and dark dark green I flushed and got off my planned feeding schedule)

Hot my Temps back up to 76 with the furnace on and I'm sitting at 66% humidity and dropping with the furnace on and I added a dehumidifier that a friend lent me.

I'm using sunshine mix as my medium, would that come neutral or is it possible it is supplying N to the plants?

It could.be nute burn it just seems to me to have been Starting before I could have burnt them, but I could be wrong. I was wondering if the extra cal I've been adding has locked out the Mg on them.

Thanks again for all the help.

 

[tekdc911]

claw is a N tox ...... just from a over abundance of N ......... not really a burn ...... or moisture related uncleBen has a moisture stress thread you could check out if you havent
i would foliar feed some mag and see what happens ..........
also a PH fluctuation will lock out cal-mag also ... or really just hinders the uptake when it starts to get a lower PH