how many plants under 400w hps?

furious248

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Hi all,
Finally moving away from CFLs and onto HP's. I have a tent 80x80x120 with a 400w hps. I will be growing sweet tooth auto (love that strain).
Any advice will be really helpful. Thanks for your time
 

vostok

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80x80x120 is about 31"x31"x47" dude that tiny, better for you to get the big boys tent something like 1mx1mx2m (http://www.amazon.com/Aviditi-PTU-66-Reflective-Hydroponic-48-Inch/dp/B004U6XSRC/ref=pd_sim_lg_2/186-1433666-7723462) as 1x 400w Mh/hps can do 1mx1m or yards very well a 600w would be better but the 400w will do it just as well but a little longer, stick 9 x 3 gallon pots under the 400w for 3 months to 3 feet high, keep the existing tent for mothers or germing, it will be too hot unless you spend on a big extraction fan say 6 inch(150mm)
to my blog on auto hints: https://www.rollitup.org/Journal/Entry/10-top-tips-for-a-better-autoflowering-yield.29023/

 

Mainlinekush

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@furious248
Plants in seedling and clone stage require about 400-500 lumens per square foot. In vegetative growth they require about 2,500 lumens per square foot and in flowering, they require about 10,000 lumens per square foot.

The most important thing about light, is to understand that it diminishes rapidly the further away it is from the target. Now, As I'm sure you know, HID systems output a fair amount of heat and that means they cannot be used particularly closely to the plant tops for fear of burning them, for example a 400w (or 430w) system it would need to be about 2 feet from the plant tops. So if a 400w system outputs 53,000 lumens at source, it's represented as 53,000 lumens at a distance of 1 foot from the target. The Inverse square law is light intensity (output in lumens) divided by distance (distance the target is from the source) squared. So for a 400w system outputting 53,000 lumens we now know this will be outputting 53,000 lumens divided by 2 foot squared (53,000/2x2) which is 13,250 lumens at the plant tops.

So if we wanted to give the plants 2,500 lumens per sq foot for vegetative growth, we need to work out how far the lamp could be away from the source and that would provide us with the sq area. 53,000 lumens at 3 foot is (53,000/3x3) 5,888 lumens, at 4 foot is (53,000/4x4) 3,312 and 5 foot is (53,000/5x5) 2120, so we know that to deliver 2,500 lumens per square foot allows the bulb to be about 4.75 feet from the source which would illuminate a square area of 4.75 x 4.75 or 22.5 sq feet.

If your still with me basically you can put as many plants as you want in the tent but the more you have you get less lumens per plant which equals smaller yeilds.

Bigger plants are better than more. I would do 4 in a 3x3 area under that light.
 
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yktind

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I don't anything about autos.

As for how many plants... You could put 1 per sq ft if you wanted. I wouldn't recommend it though. When I first started growing I always thought more was better. I put like 9 plants in a 4' x 4' x 8' tent. It was awful especially trying to take care of 9 plants.

Now I have changed my methods dramatically. I only have 4 plants in flower right now in the same 4' x 4' x 8' tent. The veg time is a little longer but the health of my plants are 10 times better. So for me it is easier to take care of a couple of plants instead of 9. You could grow just one monster too. It is really up to you. But I would recommend less to prevent overcrowding.
 

furious248

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Thanks for all the replys firstly DARRIN661 you cant laugh at anything, you thinkyou can save seeds that have drowned lol (hope you can understand me, don't want to be technical)
I got this tent as a kit and I'm in UK so can't really go much bigger ;-) would I be safe with 3 mj and a load of cfl/t8 side lighting? And the measurements are in cm
 

purplehays1

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Hi all,
Finally moving away from CFLs and onto HP's. I have a tent 80x80x120 with a 400w hps. I will be growing sweet tooth auto (love that strain).
Any advice will be really helpful. Thanks for your time
I currently have a very similar sized tent, mine is 24"x24"x60" <--- inches
I run a 400w HPS and can fill the tent with one plant. But i use photo's and a super long veg. For autos i assume u could fit atleast 4 and maybe more if u want to do a small SOG.
 

purplehays1

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dont let these fools tell u the light is too big for the tent. If you can keep it cool it will be perfect. I am producing 6+ oz every 2.5 mo with a 400w in a smaller tent than yours.
 

playermic

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You can opt to grow a SoG, if you go with smaller pot size, and raise the light (-to accommodate the larger number of plants)
-adjust a wing type reflectors have a larger light footprint than some fixed hoods.(due to the adjustable-wing function)
Also, 80x80x120, Im assuming you mean inches right, so that's 7ftx7ftx10ft..
-Assuming that the tent is 7ft. x 10 ft., a 400w light will not generate enough heat to warrant any ductwork to push out heat from the tent.
 

purplehays1

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You can opt to grow a SoG, if you go with smaller pot size, and raise the light (-to accommodate the larger number of plants)
-adjust a wing type reflectors have a larger light footprint than some fixed hoods.(due to the adjustable-wing function)
Also, 80x80x120, Im assuming you mean inches right, so that's 7ftx7ftx10ft..
-Assuming that the tent is 7ft. x 10 ft., a 400w light will not generate enough heat to warrant any ductwork to push out heat from the tent.
i think he means centimeters, its like 2.5x2.5
 

furious248

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Hi yes it is in cm, thanks for all the info, and instead of sog could I use LST? Dont mean to toot my own horn but I LST pretty well using CFL's so many times, so if I LST could I do 6 ? The hood is adjustable, and heat is no problem I have a carbon filter at the top of the tent (not easy to fit a 7k filter to the top of a flimsey tent lol
 

yktind

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Hi yes it is in cm, thanks for all the info, and instead of sog could I use LST? Dont mean to toot my own horn but I LST pretty well using CFL's so many times, so if I LST could I do 6 ? The hood is adjustable, and heat is no problem I have a carbon filter at the top of the tent (not easy to fit a 7k filter to the top of a flimsey tent lol
As said earlier I don't know shit about auto's but from what "THEY" say you aren't supposed to do any topping on autos. Not sure about LST. With your limited space and a regular photo strain I would definitely recommend trainning, LST SCROG, Topping, Super Cropping <---- All of those are good options and fun to do (with a normal photo plant, not sure about auto's). .
 

furious248

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Thanks for the reply, just to help you with future references you can't top autos as they are always in flower and will seriously harm yield or turn a plant Hermy. Lst is fine as the mj doesn't need to repair itself therefore no stress and no chances of problems super crop or lollipop is also a no no, as it puts stress on the plant which it doesn't have time to recover from, I don't mean to lecture you like a newb, just thought you were helping me out so I would throw you a bit of info
 

Tyler S

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Ive grown quite a few autos under a 400w and i can fit 4 comfortably and i space them all closer to the center of the light and LST them around their pot. Then you'll have a bunch of colas getting pretty much the same amount of light. Its keeps them nice and short so you can also keep the light closer, buds are alot denser as well! but make sure you have an oscillating fan blowing between the light and the plants and don't keep it on 24/7 have it shut off for at least half of the dark period! This has given me my best yield on an auto so far!
 

furious248

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Thanks for the reply Tyler. I know about the lights but thanks for the info about how many. I was thinking 6 but I might just go for 5 ( in the middle). Thanks again
 

yktind

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Thanks for the reply, just to help you with future references you can't top autos as they are always in flower and will seriously harm yield or turn a plant Hermy. Lst is fine as the mj doesn't need to repair itself therefore no stress and no chances of problems super crop or lollipop is also a no no, as it puts stress on the plant which it doesn't have time to recover from, I don't mean to lecture you like a newb, just thought you were helping me out so I would throw you a bit of info
Yeah no hurt noob feelings. I have zero experience with auto's and don't plan to get any unless they are a freebie and even then my garden is full so I'd probably throw it outside or something Or leave them in the veg tent.
 

purplehays1

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u can use any method u want, i use LST and supercropping, if u want to go a route like that u will only need 1 plant, but i was under the impression autos dont take well to this.
 
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