mr.schroederific
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Takes money to make money but i think the governement will shut me down before i have a chance to meet my 10,000 square room goal.
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Takes money to make money but i think the governement will shut me down before i have a chance to meet my 10,000 square room goal.
torontoke
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I was with you guys and agree with most of what your saying except for the part about the best quality being outdoor.
Sadly i disagree.
Most of the outdoor or at least the stuff i have come across in canada has been what i would say is "ok"
Not jamaican swag bricks but no where near the sugary goodness i see from indoor.
Granted it would be stupid to argue that artificial light can come close to competing with the sun but the sun isnt a guarantee on any day.
Most places in NA have short outdoor seasons say may til oct so there really isnt much wiggle room.
Now add to that the rainy or overcast days. And the outdoor crop is really hit or miss.
I think if all the outdoor guerilla farmers could get to their crops every couple days and use the right nutes etc then we wouldnt be even having this discussion.
The use of autoflowers outside to maybe offset the other intangibles intrigues me because you could in theory pull of two outdoor harvests but i dont think the genetics are there yet.
I dont think its very practical to grow plants at the risk of going to jail for a quater zip per plant.
I think greenhouses will be the future and i cant wait.
Sadly i disagree.
Most of the outdoor or at least the stuff i have come across in canada has been what i would say is "ok"
Not jamaican swag bricks but no where near the sugary goodness i see from indoor.
Granted it would be stupid to argue that artificial light can come close to competing with the sun but the sun isnt a guarantee on any day.
Most places in NA have short outdoor seasons say may til oct so there really isnt much wiggle room.
Now add to that the rainy or overcast days. And the outdoor crop is really hit or miss.
I think if all the outdoor guerilla farmers could get to their crops every couple days and use the right nutes etc then we wouldnt be even having this discussion.
The use of autoflowers outside to maybe offset the other intangibles intrigues me because you could in theory pull of two outdoor harvests but i dont think the genetics are there yet.
I dont think its very practical to grow plants at the risk of going to jail for a quater zip per plant.
I think greenhouses will be the future and i cant wait.
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mr.schroederific
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imminent* spell check fail
mr.schroederific
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Yeah, what would you like to know?
Nullis
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Baking soda is not good for raising pH as far as plants go. Sodium bicarbonate, too much sodium.
Oyster shell is just another form of calcium carbonate. Egg shell is calcium carbonate, too. Dolomite is calcium magnesium carbonate. Dolomitic limestone is a pulverized lime which contains some amount (6-12%) magnesium, but not as much as pure dolomite would. Dolomitic lime is popular because plants need Mg too, as do microorganisms.
All of these materials could contain traces of other minerals. Some limestone deposits have iron.
I've been growing in soil for years without pHing anything. Dolomitic lime provides Ca and Mg and helps neutralize acidity long term; mainly counteracting the acidity of the sphagnum peat in the potting mix and future acidity generated by the plant roots exchanging H+ for other nutrient cations. If you ask me, pHing soil is antithesis to growing in soil.
If you want to grow in soil, understand what goes on in soil. The soil itself and the food web it nourishes handle the nuances of pH.
There are so many misconceptions about pH. pH isn't all there is to nutrient availability and especially not in soil. Different nutrients are more/less soluble in water/plant available depending on pH. There is no exact, 'perfect' pH at which everything is just fine and beyond that biological activity in the soil is influencing the pH all the time. However, soil itself was designed to resist sudden pH changes. Quality soil and particularly earthworm castings, humus and compost have Cation Exchange and buffering capacity in their own right. They also contain humic substances, natural chelating compounds which increase nutrient availability.
CEC is very important to soil and what makes soil such a great medium to grow in. Soil has sustained life for hundreds of thousands of years, and whole forests of huge trees without anybody giving it pH up or anything really. Now, if you understand cation exchange and base saturation you will see why people use dolomitic or garden lime in agricultural plots in certain areas and in potting mix.
Besides K, Ca and Mg are the most exchangeable base cations, and with low BS% pH generally falls. Potting mix has other considerations since it generally contains sphagnum peat moss which is acidic. Even if it came limed chances are it could use more from the start to prevent the accumulation of reserve acidity. Garden/dolo lime (carbonates) aren't very soluble in water; so it mainly dissolves over some period of time depending on particle size. There is some in soil as precipitate, acidity dissolves it gradually and the Ca, Mg cations are either taken up by the plant or adsorbed to soil colloids (preventing exchangeable H+). With this and microbial activity working as it should there is truly no need to pH anything.
Oyster shell is just another form of calcium carbonate. Egg shell is calcium carbonate, too. Dolomite is calcium magnesium carbonate. Dolomitic limestone is a pulverized lime which contains some amount (6-12%) magnesium, but not as much as pure dolomite would. Dolomitic lime is popular because plants need Mg too, as do microorganisms.
All of these materials could contain traces of other minerals. Some limestone deposits have iron.
I've been growing in soil for years without pHing anything. Dolomitic lime provides Ca and Mg and helps neutralize acidity long term; mainly counteracting the acidity of the sphagnum peat in the potting mix and future acidity generated by the plant roots exchanging H+ for other nutrient cations. If you ask me, pHing soil is antithesis to growing in soil.
If you want to grow in soil, understand what goes on in soil. The soil itself and the food web it nourishes handle the nuances of pH.
There are so many misconceptions about pH. pH isn't all there is to nutrient availability and especially not in soil. Different nutrients are more/less soluble in water/plant available depending on pH. There is no exact, 'perfect' pH at which everything is just fine and beyond that biological activity in the soil is influencing the pH all the time. However, soil itself was designed to resist sudden pH changes. Quality soil and particularly earthworm castings, humus and compost have Cation Exchange and buffering capacity in their own right. They also contain humic substances, natural chelating compounds which increase nutrient availability.
CEC is very important to soil and what makes soil such a great medium to grow in. Soil has sustained life for hundreds of thousands of years, and whole forests of huge trees without anybody giving it pH up or anything really. Now, if you understand cation exchange and base saturation you will see why people use dolomitic or garden lime in agricultural plots in certain areas and in potting mix.
Besides K, Ca and Mg are the most exchangeable base cations, and with low BS% pH generally falls. Potting mix has other considerations since it generally contains sphagnum peat moss which is acidic. Even if it came limed chances are it could use more from the start to prevent the accumulation of reserve acidity. Garden/dolo lime (carbonates) aren't very soluble in water; so it mainly dissolves over some period of time depending on particle size. There is some in soil as precipitate, acidity dissolves it gradually and the Ca, Mg cations are either taken up by the plant or adsorbed to soil colloids (preventing exchangeable H+). With this and microbial activity working as it should there is truly no need to pH anything.
Lots of new growers like to blame their fuckups on products they used, it is interesting. Who knows what else could have gone wrong their. Although lime is difficult to over-do, there are instances in which it should not be used, or less should be used. Never use hydrated or slaked lime as they are much harsher. Probably no need to use lime if your water source is alkaline and has minerals dissolved in it already.
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mr.schroederific
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No batteries, smart meter.
Smart meter credits me at peak hours (8-4) and then charges againts credits when the system is producing. If i don't have the credits, than i have to purchase at .22 kWh
36 or 38, covered every piece of my roof
Because it is a 4 bedroom house, i use what my system produces in the summer. Its normally only three months that i have to pay.
My power bill used to be 400-500 in the summer, that was before the grow. Don't know what it would be with it. Im not the type to live in the dark. Or not turn on my TV.
torontoke
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Wow
Ok
Thanks alot man
Have u looked into the batteries?
The guy i was talking about buying a system from told me that 12 large deep cycle batteries would supply me with 3000k every two days and the charger would only run 3 hrs a day to keep me continuously at 3000k
Make sense?
Im new to all the solar speak but i really like the idea of being completely off grid and unmonitored
Ok
Thanks alot man
Have u looked into the batteries?
The guy i was talking about buying a system from told me that 12 large deep cycle batteries would supply me with 3000k every two days and the charger would only run 3 hrs a day to keep me continuously at 3000k
Make sense?
Im new to all the solar speak but i really like the idea of being completely off grid and unmonitored
vostok
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This could be worth a post in itself mr.schroeder ..with pics if you may?
mr.schroederific
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Not of the outside of my house.
mr.schroederific
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I wouldn't be considered off the grid, Im still on it. The batteries are normally quite expensive. I don't know if what that guy told you would be true. But i was told that the batteries are old technology.
torontoke
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The batteries are about 250-300 each and yes they are the old technology that is still used round the world in heavy machinery and large ships.
They lifespan for them is guaranteed for ten years.
Im looking for a property without power and i would certainly prefer to not have to tie into it.
Ive been told about alot of government programs to sell power back but i think its an easy way for snoopy cuntz to still keep an eye on ya.
Im glad your system is keeping you happy and it gives me hope for the future for sure.
Thanks alot
They lifespan for them is guaranteed for ten years.
Im looking for a property without power and i would certainly prefer to not have to tie into it.
Ive been told about alot of government programs to sell power back but i think its an easy way for snoopy cuntz to still keep an eye on ya.
Im glad your system is keeping you happy and it gives me hope for the future for sure.
Thanks alot
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torontoke
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As for the scientist arguing about baking soda not working....seems to work for me, im high right now.
So it hasnt failed me yet. And im not about to get into an argument on the internet because i think arguing on the internet is like trying to suk ur own dik
Even if ur lucky enuff to make it then congrats u got a dik in ur mouth....no thankx
So it hasnt failed me yet. And im not about to get into an argument on the internet because i think arguing on the internet is like trying to suk ur own dik
Even if ur lucky enuff to make it then congrats u got a dik in ur mouth....no thankx
mr.schroederific
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I too, have been looking for something completely off the grid. I have been looking at land with natural water running through it. Use a combination of hydro and sun the for power. The last time i did the math, i would need a barn full of batteries and a acre of panels to support what I want to do.
On a side note, I have been thinking of building complete rooms, completely off the grid. Just enough solar to run what needs to be ran with a couple of batteries.
This movement is just starting to gain momentum. I will sieze this opportunity before the government steps in and takes it again. The possibilities are boundless, my plan is to get enough while i can and get my family to the next level. I didn't choose this, cannabis choose me.
torontoke
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Pandoras box has been opened lol
The guy who im going to have build my panels told me i would only need 12 batteries and that between the panels and a small wind turbine(1000$) that a 2500 sq foot house could maintain 3000k all day long and never even drain the batteries more than 50%
The guy who im going to have build my panels told me i would only need 12 batteries and that between the panels and a small wind turbine(1000$) that a 2500 sq foot house could maintain 3000k all day long and never even drain the batteries more than 50%
mr.schroederific
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He would know better than I, its all math though. Panels produce so much vs how much you us etc.
The only helpful hint that I will stand on, do not go with cheap panels. Go with american made panels and heres why.
As a consumer we go to a company that sells foreign brand panels, if they break. You have to deal with another company outside the country. Some of these sub dealers will tell that they will deal with it. Don't believe that, once you sign, they stop doing what they say. I went with panels made by suniva. Ive had a couple of them replaced already. Easy to deal with. They are on the costly side but well worth it. Just like lumetek. Another thing too, make sure the company you go with has roofing experience or roofing back-round.
tyson53
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I dout it....sun ripen fruits and veggies are way better....ever taste a greenhouse tomato...like cardboard...the sun adds more to the fruits and veggies than the nutes...I have had a few GH veggies ..tomatoes..lettuce...peppers...and few others and nothing like a fresh outdoor garden one...
Nullis
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Except I'm not arguing anything really, and not saying "it just wont work", if you'd actually read, just that it isn't ideal for the purpose. It doesn't have any other benefit to the soil and can potentially result in high salinity. It might "work" if you add it in small amounts constantly to your irrigation water or whatever, but why do this if you could add lime from the start and not worry about it later?
mr.schroederific
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Yup, Im not talking about tomatoes, lettuce, peppers.
When the intersection of green energy and growing meet. There will be mega farms indoors with no carbon footprint.