New Wisconsin voter ID Law

[UncleBuck]

According to an audit by the North Carolina Elections Oversight Committee, at least 81 dead people have been voting from the grave, and more than 35,000 people with matching full names and dates of birth voted in both North Carolina and another state in the 2012 general election. To put that number in context, Barack Obama carried North Carolina by fewer than 15,000 votes in 2008. Double voting, needless to say, is a crime. Furthermore, state officials were only able to cross check their rolls and voter activity records with 28 other states, leaving loads of potential data missing.

another uncited and unattributed copy and paste from washere.

81 (supposedly) deceased voters out of 4,505,372 total voters = 99.998202% legitimacy.

furthermore, you lied through your teeth, washere.

http://www.wncn.com/story/25145787/report-points-to-possible-voter-fraud-in-nc

A total of 35,750 voters with matching first and last names and date of birth were registered in North Carolina and another state...765 voters with an exact match of first and last name, date of birth and last four digits of their Social Security number were registered and voted in the 2012 general election in North Carolina and another state.


765 is a much different number from 35,000, washere. but you knew that, ya little weasel rat.

the report you cited goes on, as well:

In 2012, nearly 7 million ballots were cast in the general and two primary elections. Of those 6,947,317 ballots, the state Board of Elections said 121 alleged cases of voter fraud were referred to the appropriate district attorney's office.

That means of the nearly 7 million votes cast, voter fraud accounted for 0.00174 percent of the ballots.





121 is also a much different number from 35,000, washere.

if you actually had a case to make, you wouldn't have to lie so blatantly, ya fucking liar.



loser.

 

[Red1966]

you should NOT have to pay for something that is a right..social security is NOT a right and the card is free..why? can anyone explain this?

Oh, you pay for that card. 15% of your income.

 

[SmokeyDan]

already proven to be another one of your horse Ghit claims, bigotednbushy.



L2cnstttn, r-tard.

The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote.

That's what it says now. Was not always so.

As for the first bit, I invite you to read Bush v. Gore.

 

[Doer]

What is our track record for voting? About 50/50 for presidential and sometimes less than half of that for others.

SCOTUS has ruled that voting is a state issue following state mandates.

Dems are up in arms over the possible disenfranchise of people who have shown they are most likely not going to vote anyway.

Voter ID makes perfect sense. You can't receive Obamacare without photo ID.... You can't attend a democratic national convention without an ID. You can't see an R rated movie without ID.

No, this is a partisan fight, the pubs who make people pay know exactly what they are doing and dems who argue against it know exactly what they are doing.

Yes there may be outliers, you seem to be one yourself. But you are a rare bird in this case. The argument against is the fear of losing votes. Why wouldn't the fear be equal to both camps?

You are placing too much importance on voting. It is not in the same league as all that.

The one side supports the franchised and the other side uses the disenfranchised issue to counteract the franchised issues.

Only the disenfranchised really need the help, the franchised need to be keep from going out of control.

 

[jahbrudda]

UncleBuck believes everything he reads on left wing propaganda websites.
The simple fact is, when congress fails to pass bills or budgets, it's because of the lack of compromise, nothing more, nothing less. One thing I will give credit to President Clinton for is his willingness compromise and work with congress.
Something Obama has never done.

 

[UncleBuck]

UncleBuck believes everything he reads on left wing propaganda websites.
The simple fact is, when congress fails to pass bills or budgets, it's because of the lack of compromise, nothing more, nothing less. One thing I will give credit to President Clinton for is his willingness compromise and work with congress.
Something Obama has never done.

if obama has never compromised with congress, then why are there hundreds of republican amendments in the PPACA and why was half the ARRA tax cuts?

and what does planned parenthood have to do with the debt ceiling, washere?

 

[UncleBuck]

beenthere believes everything he hears on right wing propaganda websites, and has a tiny, tiny penis.

 

[UncleBuck]

I still can't think of anybody who has problems with meeting ID requirements. Everyone I know has some sort of ID.

i love the anecdotal logic these righties employ.

"well, i don't know anyone who would have a problem, so clearly no problem whatsoever exists!"



fucking genius level stuff here guys.

 

[Glaucoma]

i love the anecdotal logic these righties employ.

"well, i don't know anyone who would have a problem, so clearly no problem whatsoever exists!"



fucking genius level stuff here guys.

This will be the 2nd time I tell you specifically that I overwhelmingly vote Democratic. Unless it involves my guns or the death penalty.

Would you like to actually talk about this or do you just wanna go back to penis pics and insults?

These numbers you show IMO must represent all elderly people. Having been in 3 of the 5 categories I can't think of any of my peers that couldn't prove who they were.

Nearly every 'elder' in my family votes by mail which obviously doesn't require you to show ID. But even they can come up with the secondary requirements if they needed to vote in person.

So let me ask this about your stats of people without ID. How many of those people do you think it actually prevents from voting?

 

[UncleBuck]

I can't think of any of my peers that couldn't prove who they were.

repeating an anecdote does not make it any less of an anecdote.

So let me ask this about your stats of people without ID. How many of those people do you think it actually prevents from voting?

when a specific form of voter ID is required, 100% or so.

 

[Glaucoma]

repeating an anecdote does not make it any less of an anecdote.



when a specific form of voter ID is required, 100% or so.

So reality doesn't count, and those without ID can't vote by mail.

I like "specific", too. As if they only accept one form of ID.

That's seriously your rebuttal?

 

[UncleBuck]

So reality doesn't count

your anecdotes are not reality.

and those without ID can't vote by mail.

not when voter ID is required.

 

[Glaucoma]

your anecdotes are not reality.



not when voter ID is required.

Who do you show your ID to? The mailman?

 

[UncleBuck]

Who do you show your ID to? The mailman?

yeah, you're right.

they'll just wave the ID requirement if you have no ID.

oh, and no one will even be affected since you don't happen to know anyone who will be affected.

i love rightie logic.

 

[Glaucoma]

So, rea

yeah, you're right.

they'll just wave the ID requirement if you have no ID.

oh, and no one will even be affected since you don't happen to know anyone who will be affected.

i love rightie logic.

Dude, they don't card you when you vote by mail, which is what I'm guessing most elderly people without ID do. Being in CO, you of all people should understand this.

I've been in 3 of those 5 categories. How about you? I'm sure you've claimed less than 35K/year or it's equivalent according to your age when you were 18-24. How many people did you know around you that couldn't meet the requirements of proving who they were?

How about anybody else following this thread? Have you ever claimed less than 35/k year from ages 18-24 because you were maybe in college? How about if you are a minority, too? How about if you have claimed less than 35K/year some year after the age of 24?

How many of you that can say yes to any of these can think of their peers at the time who couldn't prove who they were one way or another, be it payroll checks, utility bill, photo ID, etc?


Remember, if you can't think of at least 1/10 people you knew, then you are denying reality.

 

[UncleBuck]

Dude, they don't card you when you vote by mail, which is what I'm guessing most elderly people without ID do.

yeah, i'm sure they'l waive the ID requirement once the ID requirement is in place.

after all, that's what "you're guessing" they'll do.

Being in CO, you of all people should understand this.

I've been in 3 of those 5 categories. How about you? I'm sure you've claimed less than 35K/year or it's equivalent according to your age when you were 18-24. How many people did you know around you that couldn't meet the requirements of proving who they were?

How about anybody else following this thread? Have you ever claimed less than 35/k year from ages 18-24 because you were maybe in college? How about if you are a minority, too? How about you have claimed less than 35K/year some year after the age of 24?

How many of you that can say yes to any of these can think of their peers at the time who couldn't prove who they were one way or another, be it payroll checks, utility bill, photo ID, etc?


Remember, if you can't think of at least 1/10 people you knew, then you are denying reality.

you're right, they don't exist because you're not sure they exist in your personal anecdotal experience.

somehow, you have made an anecdote true by repeating it.

well done!

 

[Glaucoma]

yeah, i'm sure they'l waive the ID requirement once the ID requirement is in place.

after all, that's what "you're guessing" they'll do.




you're right, they don't exist because you're not sure they exist in your personal anecdotal experience.

somehow, you have made an anecdote true by repeating it.

well done!

What the hell are you talking about? Waive the ID requirement for voting by mail?

I didn't say they don't exist, I'm saying that they MUST be elderly. The elderly is the only group I can think of that I didn't have regular contact with. And guess what, I bet most of them vote by mail, which doesn't require ID.

Do try and keep up.

 

[UncleBuck]

What the hell are you talking about? Waive the ID requirement for voting by mail?

I didn't say they don't exist, I'm saying that they MUST be elderly. The elderly is the only group I can think of that I didn't have regular contact with. And guess what, I bet most of them vote by mail, which doesn't require ID.

Do try and keep up.

you're exactly right, people won't have to show ID if voter ID is required.

and no one will be affected by voter ID besides old people, who of course won't be required to show ID when ID is required to vote.

your logic is inscrutable and very well thought out, and in no way based in personal anecdotal experience.

you are a very smart person.

 

[Glaucoma]

you're exactly right, people won't have to show ID if voter ID is required.

So you are saying that voter ID applies to voting by mail and not just in person voting? Because as it currently sits, it only applies to voting in person.

and no one will be affected by voter ID besides old people, who of course won't be required to show ID when ID is required to vote.

your logic is inscrutable and very well thought out, and in no way based in personal anecdotal experience.

you are a very smart person.

The elderly is the only group I can think of that might not have a valid picture ID when voting in person. Does that mean they can't vote? Of course not. They can opt for one of MANY ways to prove who they are in States that require ID. Or, they can vote by mail which most in my family does.

I like how you can sit there and tell me that my 'personal anecdotal experience' means nothing when I have been represented by over 1/2 of your DNC voter stats at one time or another. I think those numbers are bogus, and that really seems to bother you.

Trying to suppress the voice of the very people your stats represent? Ironic.

I even invited you to share your experience. I'm sure you can fit in at least one of these 5. Did you claim over 35k/year when you were 18-24? I think just about anybody can fit in that one. You can feel free to adjust for inflation.

How about anybody else reading this thread?

 

[UncleBuck]

The elderly is the only group I can think of that might not have a valid picture ID when voting in person.

do you honestly believe that only those that "you can think of" count or exist?

Does that mean they can't vote? Of course not.

again, i concede that you are right. you won't need an ID to vote under voter ID laws. that's the whole point!

I like how you can sit there and tell me that my 'personal anecdotal experience' means nothing when I have been represented by over 1/2 of your DNC voter stats at one time or another.

so you personally knew all of those millions and tens of millions of people in each group?

that's impressive, even for the internet!

I think those numbers are bogus

and if one thing is clear, it is only what YOU THINK that matters, and not what facts and evidence show.