Lollipopping ( Any Scientific Evidence? )

bud nugbong

bud nugbong

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I am also on the boat of putting the energy elsewhere. Usually as the plants are growing up you can tell which branches are skinnier because of lack of light. I trim those lower branches during veg, then once flowering begins I look for the Bud sites on the inside or lower parts of branches. Just pinching these off and usually taking the fan leaf with it.
Last year I did not do any of this, and I was hating all of the small popcorn nugs. Too much work trimming for not much nuggetry. I really think pinching and removing those branches have no effect on final yield. They get the same amount of food and water for the rest of the year, they can just concentrate on putting the energy into the main branches...I did it this year and am very happy with the results.
This one in the pic Only gets good light from above so I did a lot of trimming and its doing great. All of my others I trimmed like that and ive never had colas like these. A big thumbs up from me.

*no pinching after 2 weeks flowering
 

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Dankfactory

Dankfactory

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Cannasutraorganics said:
So far nobody on this thread has hit the nail on the head about this. Some dancing around the facts and much conjecture.
In the wild they loose most leaves before the bud is half grown. Unless we water it often. And in the wild they all make seeds. So nothing we are doing is like the wild. Get that first. Now using natural responses to different stimuli is an effective way to get the results we want without manipulating and overloading crap in them. Entice them to do what you want. The information on weed Is vast from 100 to 600 years ago. Many cultures have detailed studied it and it's reactions to stimuli and changes in nutes and many other things. Go on MIT website for some great books. Some writings on it in china and India go back 3000+ years. Extraction and tinctures. Tricom development. Uses. How to increase potency. Asians are great at getting the most out of what the grow and do.
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"In the Wild" doesn't necessarily have to mean a Wild cannabis plant. Go plant a few clones in the forest. Great Scott! You just, well, you just planted a few clones.. In the Wild!
Unless we water often? Well, how else are we going to maximize the potential harvest? Your point escapes me.
The rest of your post is simply irrelevant to the topic at hand, and merely a trifled attempt at sounding esteemed and educated. The purpose of the thread is to explain why growers eliminate the bottom growth in a grow room setting. Actual modern cannabis growers are the definitive experts on growing cannabis. Some of course, more than others..
 
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Milovan

Milovan

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bud nugbong said:
I am also on the boat of putting the energy elsewhere. Usually as the plants are growing up you can tell which branches are skinnier because of lack of light. I trim those lower branches during veg, then once flowering begins I look for the Bud sites on the inside or lower parts of branches. Just pinching these off and usually taking the fan leaf with it.
Last year I did not do any of this, and I was hating all of the small popcorn nugs. Too much work trimming for not much nuggetry. I really think pinching and removing those branches have no effect on final yield. They get the same amount of food and water for the rest of the year, they can just concentrate on putting the energy into the main branches...I did it this year and am very happy with the results.
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This is exactly how I look at it as well.
Very well said!

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Milovan

Milovan

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Dankfactory said:
Your point escapes me.
The rest of your post is simply irrelevant to the topic at hand, and merely a trifled attempt at sounding esteemed and educated. The purpose of the thread is to explain why growers eliminate the bottom growth in a grow room setting. Actual modern cannabis growers are the definitive experts on growing cannabis. Some of course, more than others..
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OP never mentioned anything about a 'grow room setting".
 
Pass it Around

Pass it Around

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st0wandgrow said:
Yep. He only advocates chopping off the *top* half of the plant. :roll:
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bongsmilie im like switzerland right now, only I don't bank nazi gold. I am truly neutral in this debate until I make my own scientific experiments using the same clone. I am going to try 6 and 6. If I get better weight off the lollipopped I am going to tell uncle ben to choke on a bag of dicks. Instead of being even slightly helpful he just trashes them. I think him and uncle buck might be boyfriends.
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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Pass it Around said:
bongsmilie im like switzerland right now, only I don't bank nazi gold. I am truly neutral in this debate until I make my own scientific experiments using the same clone. I am going to try 6 and 6. If I get better weight off the lollipopped I am going to tell uncle ben to choke on a bag of dicks. Instead of being even slightly helpful he just trashes them. I think him and uncle buck might be boyfriends.
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I've done both. I've never bothered to meticulously document the exact differences in yield, but I'll tell you that you won't lose anything by cleaning up the bottom branches.

I get rid of them just for the sake of convenience. Not having branches/bud hanging in the soil and getting splashed by fish goop when Im watering. Plus I hate fucking trimming that shit.
 
Milovan

Milovan

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Dankfactory said:
Yes. He did. Notice how in post #1 there is a reference to "air flow ," and, why not just put a fan in there.
Reading comprehension can be fun.
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Personally, I have a greenhouse with 4 fans in there for air flow.
Still, the op never mentioned anything about a grow room setting.
Reading comprehension can be fun.
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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st0wandgrow said:
I've done both. I've never bothered to meticulously document the exact differences in yield, but I'll tell you that you won't lose anything by cleaning up the bottom branches.

I get rid of them just for the sake of convenience. Not having branches/bud hanging in the soil and getting splashed by fish goop when Im watering. Plus I hate fucking trimming that shit.
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stow, did you ever meet up with that douchenozzle? It got awful quiet after that and i haven't seen him around here.
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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Got a field to disk tomorrow. Am feeling lazy. Talked to mah cannabis plants. They're gonna loan me some of dat energy tanks to dah dem suckers I yanked off. Now, where did I put dat energy?

Oh, ah remember now. it's in the the secret RIU Energy Jar!
 
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Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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st0wandgrow said:
I've done both. I've never bothered to meticulously document the exact differences in yield, but I'll tell you that you won't lose anything by cleaning up the bottom branches.

I get rid of them just for the sake of convenience. Not having branches/bud hanging in the soil and getting splashed by fish goop when Im watering. Plus I hate fucking trimming that shit.
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Never seen any of that monkey doo doo you claim to do. Got any pix?
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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st0wandgrow said:
I've done both. I've never bothered to meticulously document the exact differences in yield, but I'll tell you that you won't lose anything by cleaning up the bottom branches.
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By the same token, you won't gain anything either. Before a plant drops a leaf based on a low CO2 flag it extracts "the goodies".

Here's a lady is claiming to be an authority on tomato growing recommending your grandma's subscription for plucking off the "suckers" to increase tomato production. She needs a course on photosynthesis and what makes a plant tick. The leaves coming from the petiole axis of a tomato or cannabis plant are not "suckers, like her and followrs. They are not a "sink". They are green, contain chlorophyll and produce carbos for the plants' use.

Guess everyone has their comfort zone and religious beliefs.
http://homeguides.sfgate.com/pros-cons-removing-leaves-tomato-plants-75584.html
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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Interesting story. This man gets it.....

"I do not pinch back plants nor do I sucker......

.....Our sole focus here has got to be to get the plants into the ground as soon as possible in springtime so they can grow and set fruit before the temperatures arrive that impede pollination and fertilization. If you are pinching back your plants, you are setting back fruit production, and frankly, we cannot afford to do that here....

When I lived in Texas, I had a pretty unfriendly next-door neighbor who really wouldn't even say hello in return if you said hello to her, so I was not inclined to offer her my unsolicited garden advice. I watched quietly all summer long during the one and only summer she attempted to grow tomatoes as she staked her plants to 6' tall stakes and religiously removed every single branch and every single bloom. She basically had a 6' tall stem with very few leaves and no fruit.

After we had been harvesting ripe tomatoes for weeks, her husband came over and asked me what she was doing wrong. I remember that my first words to him were "Where do I begin?". After I explained that by removing all the limbs, she was removing most all the leaves and that was impeding photosynthesis and growth....and that by removing all the flowers she was removing the fruit since the flowers are the first step in fruit set....well, do you see where our conversation was going? I told him that she must be reading a book written for "yankees" and that the techniques they recommended do not work in our climate.

Before he left our house, he pondered the situation and then told me he thought it best if he not mention to her everything he'd learned and maybe we could just forget he stopped by. I grimly nodded and agreed....

....Clearly I am totally opposed to pinching back plants, and I feel almost as strongly about suckering. Since every leaf that grows contributes to photosythesis, and since every leaf that grows shelters the enlarging tomatoes from the direct sunlight and helps protect the fruit from sunscald damage, I almost never remove a sucker for any reason. Some people do sucker the plants if they want larger (but fewer) fruit, but I'd rather have 6 medium-sized tomatoes than 2 big ones, for example."
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/okgard/msg0109563924602.html?9

That site is where many of you need to lurk! ^
 
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