Help! My Patients want wax not bubble Need to make decision now

[Twitch]

he ask for a solution.... we gave him one, and the method is proven... move on

 

[texasjack]

Made a thread of my own. Please join me there

http://rollitup.org/t/bubble-has-mold-solutions.845853/

 

[oilmkr420]

That's the wrong answer since mold is moisture lock, thus water soluable. Alcohol of any kind will dissolve the mold and place them back in to the extract at 0.2 micron. If you even want to risk the potential medicinal quality, then risk experimenting on yourself and not pass out that batch. Black mold is lethal and I would definately not chance that batch getting into hands of the general public or a paying patient.

winterize it through a .2 syringe filter
that may help

 

[JointOperation]

a properly purged bho..is the same as bubble hash . safety wise.. bubble hash still has tons of wax in it.. the trichome heads are 15-25% WAX/lipids or parafins.. so . either way.. its not as safe as we would like.. parafins and shit.. arent safe to vaporize.. but we do it anyways.

 

[Blunter the kid]

That's the wrong answer since mold is moisture lock, thus water soluable. Alcohol of any kind will dissolve the mold and place them back in to the extract at 0.2 micron. If you even want to risk the potential medicinal quality, then risk experimenting on yourself and not pass out that batch. Black mold is lethal and I would definately not chance that batch getting into hands of the general public or a paying patient.

Lol this is a very ignorant statement, alcohol will not dissolve the mold... In fact, alcohol is used as a medium to culture mold spores in biology labs.
Mold spores are anywhere from 3 to 40 microns in size, you will have absolutely no problems filtering mold from an extract if you were to use the much less expensive 1.2 micron syringe filters.

 

[lio lacidem]

No use arguing with him blunter its like trying to debate with a rock!

 

[WarMachine]

Least you can throw that rock into the ocean though.. Lol

 

[texasjack]

Lol this is a very ignorant statement, alcohol will not dissolve the mold... In fact, alcohol is used as a medium to culture mold spores in biology labs.
Mold spores are anywhere from 3 to 40 microns in size, you will have absolutely no problems filtering mold from an extract if you were to use the much less expensive 1.2 micron syringe filters.

Where does one pick up the necessary amount of these filters?

 

[Blunter the kid]

Where does one pick up the necessary amount of these filters?

A quick little google search brought up this
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B008EKXPLO?pc_redir=1410011600&robot_redir=1
It's hard to find .2 micron filters in packs smaller than 50 and the whatman's are expensive as fuck.
Those 1.2um filters aren't used in such specialized applications as the .2um's so they are a fraction of the cost and will still work perfectly for filtering mold from an extract dissolved in a solvent, most likely ethyl alcohol.
You could just process all your material at once and only have to waste one of the filters and still have 9 more just in case you ever need them again.

Edit: They can be made to fit with one of these syringes perfectly.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/161429567297?lpid=82

 

[hyroot]

a properly purged bho..is the same as bubble hash . safety wise.. bubble hash still has tons of wax in it.. the trichome heads are 15-25% WAX/lipids or parafins.. so . either way.. its not as safe as we would like.. parafins and shit.. arent safe to vaporize.. but we do it anyways.

how do you figure. RO water is clean. Butane is essentially made from crude oil with several chemical additives. There's no such thing as 100% clean bho. So even after purge. There's still 5%-30% of benzene, propane propellants, hydrocarbon propellants, propane, cyclopropane dimethylmethane, freon, propylhydride, trimethylene, methylpropane, petroleum and sodium sulfide in n butane.

water extract is far cleaner and not going to cause cancer, respiratory issues, and brain damage like bho.

 

[WarMachine]

@hyroot What are your thoughts of grain alcohol extracts compared to butane in that perspective? Being ingredient wise and such?

 

[Daub Marley]

how do you figure. RO water is clean. Butane is essentially made from crude oil with several chemical additives. There's no such thing as 100% clean bho. So even after purge. There's still 5%-30% of benzene, propane propellants, hydrocarbon propellants, propane, cyclopropane dimethylmethane, freon, propylhydride, trimethylene, methylpropane, petroleum and sodium sulfide in n butane.

water extract is far cleaner and not going to cause cancer, respiratory issues, and brain damage like bho.

Water hash is laced with atmospheric contaminants, feces of all types, mold spores with the necessary water for them to grow, water soluble pesticides and fertilizers, mites, bugs or bugs parts that are smaller than the screens, lots of plant material, waxes, non-glandular trichomes, etc. Clearly these are worse contaminants then the random scary sounding chemicals which are in the ppm to ppb range (nowhere near 5-30%). You're pulling that number out of your ass except for propane which is only in some butane brands, but it certainly isn't harmful.

 

[hyroot]

Water hash is laced with atmospheric contaminants, feces of all types, mold spores with the necessary water for them to grow, water soluble pesticides and fertilizers, mites, bugs or bugs parts that are smaller than the screens, lots of plant material, waxes, non-glandular trichomes, etc. Clearly these are worse contaminants then the random scary sounding chemicals which are in the ppm to ppb range (nowhere near 5-30%). You're pulling that number out of your ass except for propane which is only in some butane brands, but it certainly isn't harmful.

if your bubble contains all that. The. You had one shitty grow. For one I don't use infected or damaged material. My grow method is living organics. I don't use any bottled nutes nor pesticides. If I get pests I uses ipm's of home grown rosemary , peppermint, nettle, lavender, horsetail. My flowers are clean and organic as can be.

all butane has propane propellants and hydro carbon propellants. If they didn't the butane would not be able to spray and only drip out.

if propane isn't harmful. Go out to your BBQ and take a few huffs off your propane. Then see if you need to go to the emergency room and given oxygen.. Any solvent you inhale cuts off oxygen to your brain. Causing brain damage. It's not just nos.

also all.that shit you listed would be in bho on top of all the chemicals and gases.

properly made ice wax or hash. Doing matt rize method. The trichomes are cleaned using RO water and a pump sprayer. Which dissolves and removes any impurities.

 

[hyroot]

@hyroot What are your thoughts of grain alcohol extracts compared to butane in that perspective? Being ingredient wise and such?

I'm not a fan. Alcohol removes terpenes. The alcohol still needs to be purged out in a vac oven.

ice wax and hash is where its at. I don't get why people like bho so much. even hash and icewax at dispensaries sell out faster than bho.

 

[Fadedawg]

if your bubble contains all that. The. You had one shitty grow. For one I don't use infected or damaged material. My grow method is living organics. I don't use any bottled nutes nor pesticides. If I get pests I uses ipm's of home grown rosemary , peppermint, nettle, lavender, horsetail. My flowers are clean and organic as can be.

To what micron level do you filter your intake air and do you dry in a sterile room???

all butane has propane propellants and hydro carbon propellants. If they didn't the butane would not be able to spray and only drip out.

You are mistaken. Attached is a n-butane pressure versus temperature chart providing the details..

if propane isn't harmful. Go out to your BBQ and take a few huffs off your propane. Then see if you need to go to the emergency room and given oxygen.. Any solvent you inhale cuts off oxygen to your brain. Causing brain damage. It's not just nos.

also all.that shit you listed would be in bho on top of all the chemicals and gases.

May we stay in perspective here on planet Earth. Propane and butane are simple asphixiants at the parts per millionth levels encountered, so why in our wildest dreams would we even consider comparing huffing straight propane to that small dosage????

properly made ice wax or hash. Doing matt rize method. The trichomes are cleaned using RO water and a pump sprayer. Which dissolves and removes any impurities.

Properly made bubble is delightful, but no match for the things you can do with a BHO extract. Do you only vaporize?

If you are trying to proselytize converts, you might do more research, so as to use less hyperbole and sound less like you are just parroting things you've been led to believe without veting.

 

[Daub Marley]

if your bubble contains all that. The. You had one shitty grow. For one I don't use infected or damaged material. My grow method is living organics. I don't use any bottled nutes nor pesticides. If I get pests I uses ipm's of home grown rosemary , peppermint, nettle, lavender, horsetail. My flowers are clean and organic as can be.

So your patients are unknowingly receiving essential oils from plants that you think will be good pesticides? If that was done with someone that had some organic chemistry knowledge I wouldn't think too much about it, but I would never spray essential oils on my plants unless I have done thorough research on them. If you have done your research on essential oils you probably would have done your research on butane and BHO, which shows that you are naive and uneducated about these issues.

all butane has propane propellants and hydro carbon propellants. If they didn't the butane would not be able to spray and only drip out.

Not true. That only might be necessary if you live in Alaska.

if propane isn't harmful. Go out to your BBQ and take a few huffs off your propane. Then see if you need to go to the emergency room and given oxygen.. Any solvent you inhale cuts off oxygen to your brain. Causing brain damage. It's not just nos.

SMH. The only thing harmful is the fact that you are not receiving any oxygen. Not the propane itself.

also all.that shit you listed would be in bho on top of all the chemicals and gases.

Nope. Almost all the plant material, waxes, water soluble chemicals,bugs and bug parts, mold spores and even bacteria can all be removed depending on the level of filtration.

 

[hyroot]

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Properly made bubble is delightful, but no match for the things you can do with a BHO extract. Do you only vaporize?

If you are trying to proselytize converts, you might do more research, so as to use less hyperbole and sound less like you are just parroting things you've been led to believe without veting.

why don't you trying looking up msds reports on all butane companies. Your thesaurus Won't help you there.

 

[hyroot]

So your patients are unknowingly receiving essential oils from plants that you think will be good pesticides? If that was done with someone that had some organic chemistry knowledge I wouldn't think too much about it, but I would never spray essential oils on my plants unless I have done thorough research on them. If you have done your research on essential oils you probably would have done your research on butane and BHO, which shows that you are naive and uneducated about these issues.

Not true. That only might be necessary if you live in Alaska.

SMH. The only thing harmful is the fact that you are not receiving any oxygen. Not the propane itself.


Nope. Almost all the plant material, waxes, water soluble chemicals,bugs and bug parts, mold spores and even bacteria can all be removed depending on the level of filtration.

provide some proof. All the major testing labs and manor wax maker /labs have written articles saying the exact opposite.

your opinions are just that, opinions. No basis for fact or research or testing.

the plants I use as ipm's are not dangerous in any aspect. Are even edible as well. Every single plant has its benefits on the body. Also being natural organic. It can break down very fast. Within A few days at most. so no harmful effect. No contaminants found in my flowers.

 

[Blunter the kid]

provide some proof. All the major testing labs and manor wax maker /labs have written articles saying the exact opposite.

your opinions are just that, opinions. No basis for fact or research or testing.

the plants I use as ipm's are not dangerous in any aspect. Are even edible as well. Every single plant has its benefits on the body. Also being natural organic. It can break down very fast. Within A few days at most. so no harmful effect. No contaminants found in my flowers.

I agree that the essential oils you spray are not of any concern to anyone.
But it sounds like your arguing on the basis of anecdotal evidence, read an MSDS for any of butane, the PEL indicates that butane is non toxic in moderate amounts... 800pm for 8 hours is an acceptable exposure limit by occupational standards, the amount of butane in an oz of purged wax is a fraction of the amount of butane considered dangerous to inhale.
I would agree that the additives inside butane are not healthy but that doesn't mean one doesn't have the option to clean their solvent up before use.
I can't believe you tried to tell Fadedawg to check an MSDS like he was the one who was being ignorant... Lol.

 

[hyroot]

I agree that the essential oils you spray are not of any concern to anyone.
But it sounds like your arguing on the basis of anecdotal evidence, read an MSDS for any of butane, the PEL indicates that butane is non toxic in moderate amounts... 800pm for 8 hours is an acceptable exposure limit by occupational standards, the amount of butane in an oz of purged wax is a fraction of the amount of butane considered dangerous to inhale.
I would agree that the additives inside butane are not healthy but that doesn't mean one doesn't have the option to clean their solvent up before use.
I can't believe you tried to tell Fadedawg to check an MSDS like he was the one who was being ignorant... Lol.

you are calling me ignorant. You obviously misread the report. Not one msds report states the amount of safe ppm's. They all vary from company to.company. The 800-1000 ppm's is its physical properties. If you inhaled 800 ppm's. You would have inhaled near a whole can. Then there's odor threshold as well. For inhaling, swallowing, on skin, in eyes. They all say high or low amounts.

there's no possible way to remove 100% of chems and gases. There's still a small.percentage left behind in the wax. You still inhale. If the floweres were grown with Chem nutes. Your body absorbs those chems as well.