HELP what do i do!

[Bluntmonger]

this is my first grow and iv made a amateur mistake with my soil i first used miracle grow sixth month feed i have transplanted them into better locally made soil, but i am facing a problem of to high of a Ph i tested at 7.5 i put Sulfur in the soil and mixed it in but sulfur is not a quick enough solution in my case because it takes up to 6 months to release and conditions need to be optimal, my plants are developing what i think is a phosphorus deficiency, so my question is how can i quickly lower my Ph lvl in my soil 0.5-1.5 with my plants already in the soil i am in need of help and my plants are in need of more i appreciate any comment anyone has

 

[Extacie]

Buy a ph meter if you don't already have one for use with water. Just ph your nutes/water to approx 6.5-6.8

If you do that & just keep it up then it will all balance out. Just takes some time, won't happen overnight. Trying to drastically change it overnight will do much more harm than good, potentially even killing your plants. Slowly but surely is key.

Best of luck!

 

[Bluntmonger]

So just make sure my water is correct ph and put the nutes in the water? Is that what you were saying? I really appriciate your help. My plants appriciate it to!

 

[Ninjabowler]

Your soil ph is probably fine. Your probably burning them from nutrients bud. Post some pics.

 

[Ninjabowler]

I havent phd anything in 3 yrs. I use silica in my mix and im on a well thats way base. My guess is that its not the soil, its the grower. You dont want to hear that and im not trying to be rude but thats the case 99% of the time w new growers. Theyre their own worst enemy lol. Good luck man.

 

[Bluntmonger]

No I totaly understand u have alot to learn but I'm willing to learn iv had a couple other threads with pictures u won't be able to upload photos untill I get to my computer but my other threads have pictures. And maybe it's not the Ph but my ph was high and that is a big cause of phosphorus defficancy and that's what I am suspecting I have because of the stems turning dark purple and leafs are getting yellow and gray spots on them that looks like a nute burn but I am here to get opinions and get these plants to harvest any help is appriciated I'll post pics tomorow as soon as I can

 

[Bluntmonger]

I would really like to get a silica product because I have read nothing but must have advantages in cannabis growing growing silica products but can't find any

 

[Extacie]

I havent phd anything in 3 yrs. I use silica in my mix and im on a well thats way base. My guess is that its not the soil, its the grower. You dont want to hear that and im not trying to be rude but thats the case 99% of the time w new growers. Theyre their own worst enemy lol. Good luck man.

What soil do you use with what amendments? I would like to do this.. I've read how soil buffers ph naturally. But most bagged soils aren't real soil, more so peat, coco, etc. what is it about the soil that naturally buffers the ph? Earthworm castings? I use silica.. Which has a hella high ph btw lol

To OP: yeah just ph whatever you give to your plants, regardless if nutes or water. But probably best just watering. More is less when it comes to nutes especially synthetic.. Did I say that right? Maybe less is more I can't remember, I'm tired lol

 

[mrCRC420]

IMO making quick changes to the conditions of your plants often leads to error. I like a slow and controlled return to homeostasis. Less stress on everyone. Plants are pretty good at healing themselves, given decent conditions. GL!

 

[Bluntmonger]

Thank you for your info I will take it slow just don't want my plants going down that wouldn't be good wanna get to my first harvest and have a harvest

 

[Ninjabowler]

What soil do you use with what amendments? I would like to do this.. I've read how soil buffers ph naturally. But most bagged soils aren't real soil, more so peat, coco, etc. what is it about the soil that naturally buffers the ph? Earthworm castings? I use silica.. Which has a hella high ph btw lol

To OP: yeah just ph whatever you give to your plants, regardless if nutes or water. But probably best just watering. More is less when it comes to nutes especially synthetic.. Did I say that right? Maybe less is more I can't remember, I'm tired lol

Ya, lol, less is more when it comes to fertilizer and additives. I use fox farm ocean forest soil which is already really good in terms of having enough in it for the plants to survive on without adding anything (nitrogen,calcium,ect.). I clone, then transplant into half gallon containers and add some bennies (great white shark) to build my fungal web which feeds the plant better (read up ), no ferts yet, then ill feed usually once before transplant into the final container 5/7 gal with a half strength mix with calmag, then i add my bennies again after transplant to get those roots moving again into the new container. Then ill usually give it a week before i start to feed again and feed about once every week after that or third watering with store bought nutes (cns17 currently), calmag, silica and thats about it. I finish up with some molasses and organic feed which i slowly switch to so i dont have to flush.
I take the easy routewith my dirt and nutrients, i buy them rather than make them. I dont have time for that shit lol maybe some day i will but not today or tomorrow thats for sure. My fertilizer shelf also doesnt look like the entire grow stores in there. I have like two kinds of nutrients only because my hydro guy gave me some for free i havent used yet, silica powder, calmag liquid cause its safer than powder and more direct, and great white. And my organic feed is a mix of bat guano, worm castings, seaweed and molasses. Thats pretty much it besides stuff for bugs. All synthetic fertilizer is pretty much the same stuff plus or minus some micro nutrients so dont stress there.
To answer or actually not answer you question about what it is exactly that buffers the ph...idk. Like i said, i havent done it in years. I grew a dwc and never phed the damn thing and it was fine. Ph started at 8 and swung to 10 before rez changes and the plants thrived. Never screwed with ph in soil and their always healthy and happy. Ph is off is what idiots say when they should be saying that they dont have a clue. Ph is off?! What?! You can see that just by looking at the plant huh? Wow, x ray vision and totally memorized the defficiancy chart and talks to plants via picture.....nice. When was the last time any farmer gave a fuck about what the ph of his corn, tomatos, or lettuce was at. Never lol.

 

[Bluntmonger]

Appropriate PH Is needed to let proper nutrient absorb into the cannabis plant root system. Didn't figure out that I had high ph by looking at the plant tested by soil! Because iv done a lot of looking trying to figure out what is wrong with my plant and that is what lead me to beleive I have a phosphorus defficancy and the first thing to check with a phosphorous defficancy is to make the ph is alkaline causing lock out of nutrients. So if you really think people don't give a fuck about what the PH level is in there soil you should probably read more on the importance of if to your cannabis plants! I am a begined growing abs simply trying to get help from people who know more about what there talking about. You clearly need to stop trying to help people with the little amount of info you give and you simply come across as a jackass who has nothing worth while to say!

 

[Bluntmonger]

And farmers with shitty ph in there soil is a very common problem, moron, tomatoes can get Rott bottom and a lot of other shit can go wrong. So shut the fuck up before you go spouting pointless shit that helps no one in return.

 

[Extacie]

Ya, lol, less is more when it comes to fertilizer and additives. I use fox farm ocean forest soil which is already really good in terms of having enough in it for the plants to survive on without adding anything (nitrogen,calcium,ect.). I clone, then transplant into half gallon containers and add some bennies (great white shark) to build my fungal web which feeds the plant better (read up ), no ferts yet, then ill feed usually once before transplant into the final container 5/7 gal with a half strength mix with calmag, then i add my bennies again after transplant to get those roots moving again into the new container. Then ill usually give it a week before i start to feed again and feed about once every week after that or third watering with store bought nutes (cns17 currently), calmag, silica and thats about it. I finish up with some molasses and organic feed which i slowly switch to so i dont have to flush.
I take the easy routewith my dirt and nutrients, i buy them rather than make them. I dont have time for that shit lol maybe some day i will but not today or tomorrow thats for sure. My fertilizer shelf also doesnt look like the entire grow stores in there. I have like two kinds of nutrients only because my hydro guy gave me some for free i havent used yet, silica powder, calmag liquid cause its safer than powder and more direct, and great white. And my organic feed is a mix of bat guano, worm castings, seaweed and molasses. Thats pretty much it besides stuff for bugs. All synthetic fertilizer is pretty much the same stuff plus or minus some micro nutrients so dont stress there.
To answer or actually not answer you question about what it is exactly that buffers the ph...idk. Like i said, i havent done it in years. I grew a dwc and never phed the damn thing and it was fine. Ph started at 8 and swung to 10 before rez changes and the plants thrived. Never screwed with ph in soil and their always healthy and happy. Ph is off is what idiots say when they should be saying that they dont have a clue. Ph is off?! What?! You can see that just by looking at the plant huh? Wow, x ray vision and totally memorized the defficiancy chart and talks to plants via picture.....nice. When was the last time any farmer gave a fuck about what the ph of his corn, tomatos, or lettuce was at. Never lol.

Yeah that is what I meant lol had been up all night making sure no one tried to steal my shit outdoors so was tirreeddd lol.

Man my first grow I used FFOF & didn't ph anything/everything went smoothly. I also didn't add much nutes tho. Since then I've been growing in roots organics 707 (because much cheaper) and adding lime/oyster shell.. Just as FFOF has in there's (minus the lime) but still been ph'in stuff.

I would have to agree with the guy below that soil ph does matter a great deal. It is just a matter if the soil is buffering the ph or if you are when mixing nutes/water. Do you use R/O water, or why do you add calmag? By the way in flower they need more sulphur and less calcium/magnesium. I know plenty about beneficials lol. I need to learn more, as there is always more to be learned, but I make teas for my plants and feed them regularly with it but ESPECIALLY after any transplant. To each their own, but if your giving them bennies then it would be beneficial to feed molasses throughout the entire grow ( it feeds the bennies to give them energy/make them bigger & stronger )

I also have been told by a 10+ year grower with a degree in plants (I can't remember the name of his degree lol) that if you want to go from start to finish with soil that is not really soil (I.e. FFOF, roots, etc) then you need to grow organically from start to finish. That it is the synthetic nutes that really screw with the ph. Now, I don't know the truth to this from experience, but this is just what I have been told. I do know that synthetic nutes especially ones high in P have a very low ph anyways.

I am really glad to hear that is working out well for you. I am going to experiment with something similar in the near future. Roots 707 with lime mixed in, one with lime & oyster shell mixed in & one with just oyster shell & one with none. Then go from start to finish without ph'ing and compare the results. (Using clones from the same mom, of course)

I know one 15+ year grower that says Ph is one of the most important things in a grow. He consistently pulls 2-2.5 lbs per light of the stinkiest, most dense nugs I have ever seen. He also pushes nutes very heavily. You can't tell in the end product though. Very smooth and tasty.

So idk for real. I just want to learn what about real soil naturally buffers the ph. I feel like it should be possible to go from start to finish with stellar results without ph'ing shit. Maybe growing organically without synthetic nutes is the only way? Idk lol ill just have to experiment and see.

On a side note: is your organic mix towards the end an organic bottled nutrient, or do you personally mix them together?
Also, I am assuming you mix the silica in with the soil since you said it's in powder form?

Also, my grandpa is a farmer who grows fields of corn. He said ph is very important. But his fields do not require ph'ing water an what not.. He just amends the soil with fine dolomite lime (for quickly fixing the ph) then pelletized lime for keeping the ph steady overtime. He also grows in natural "real" soil though.

But all in all I wonder if my friend is correct, that growing organically without synthetic nutes is the only way to go from start to finish with good results. When you think about it, yes, farmers don't ph stuff, but they are also not using synthetic nutes (to my knowledge anyways)

Sooooo I still don't know lol. Any thoughts?

 

[Extacie]

Appropriate PH Is needed to let proper nutrient absorb into the cannabis plant root system. Didn't figure out that I had high ph by looking at the plant tested by soil! Because iv done a lot of looking trying to figure out what is wrong with my plant and that is what lead me to beleive I have a phosphorus defficancy and the first thing to check with a phosphorous defficancy is to make the ph is alkaline causing lock out of nutrients. So if you really think people don't give a fuck about what the PH level is in there soil you should probably read more on the importance of if to your cannabis plants! I am a begined growing abs simply trying to get help from people who know more about what there talking about. You clearly need to stop trying to help people with the little amount of info you give and you simply come across as a jackass who has nothing worth while to say!

Phosphorous is def. a common nutrient to be locked out if soil ph is not correct. Best of luck with your plants man, I hope they go well.

 

[Ninjabowler]

Appropriate PH Is needed to let proper nutrient absorb into the cannabis plant root system. Didn't figure out that I had high ph by looking at the plant tested by soil! Because iv done a lot of looking trying to figure out what is wrong with my plant and that is what lead me to beleive I have a phosphorus defficancy and the first thing to check with a phosphorous defficancy is to make the ph is alkaline causing lock out of nutrients. So if you really think people don't give a fuck about what the PH level is in there soil you should probably read more on the importance of if to your cannabis plants! I am a begined growing abs simply trying to get help from people who know more about what there talking about. You clearly need to stop trying to help people with the little amount of info you give and you simply come across as a jackass who has nothing worth while to say!

Pfffff.....lol you dumb bitch if he uses the shit i told him to and does it how i just explained hell have bomb ass plants like me. Fuck ph, if your doing it how your supposed to theres no need in the world. I lost my ph meter two fuckin years ago and havent stopped pulling a gram a watt since. Dont believe those silly ass nutrient charts. Their not that explicitly precise that your going to kill everything at a point or two off man. If your rolling 11s you have problems hes rolling it up at 7.5 dipshit. Holy fuck cut em down and start over dummy its all over baaaahahahahahaaaaa!!! And when your done go troll some other bitch you pussy

 

[Ninjabowler]

 

[Ninjabowler]

Yeah that is what I meant lol had been up all night making sure no one tried to steal my shit outdoors so was tirreeddd lol.

Man my first grow I used FFOF & didn't ph anything/everything went smoothly. I also didn't add much nutes tho. Since then I've been growing in roots organics 707 (because much cheaper) and adding lime/oyster shell.. Just as FFOF has in there's (minus the lime) but still been ph'in stuff.

I would have to agree with the guy below that soil ph does matter a great deal. It is just a matter if the soil is buffering the ph or if you are when mixing nutes/water. Do you use R/O water, or why do you add calmag? By the way in flower they need more sulphur and less calcium/magnesium. I know plenty about beneficials lol. I need to learn more, as there is always more to be learned, but I make teas for my plants and feed them regularly with it but ESPECIALLY after any transplant. To each their own, but if your giving them bennies then it would be beneficial to feed molasses throughout the entire grow ( it feeds the bennies to give them energy/make them bigger & stronger )

I also have been told by a 10+ year grower with a degree in plants (I can't remember the name of his degree lol) that if you want to go from start to finish with soil that is not really soil (I.e. FFOF, roots, etc) then you need to grow organically from start to finish. That it is the synthetic nutes that really screw with the ph. Now, I don't know the truth to this from experience, but this is just what I have been told. I do know that synthetic nutes especially ones high in P have a very low ph anyways.

I am really glad to hear that is working out well for you. I am going to experiment with something similar in the near future. Roots 707 with lime mixed in, one with lime & oyster shell mixed in & one with just oyster shell & one with none. Then go from start to finish without ph'ing and compare the results. (Using clones from the same mom, of course)

I know one 15+ year grower that says Ph is one of the most important things in a grow. He consistently pulls 2-2.5 lbs per light of the stinkiest, most dense nugs I have ever seen. He also pushes nutes very heavily. You can't tell in the end product though. Very smooth and tasty.

So idk for real. I just want to learn what about real soil naturally buffers the ph. I feel like it should be possible to go from start to finish with stellar results without ph'ing shit. Maybe growing organically without synthetic nutes is the only way? Idk lol ill just have to experiment and see.

On a side note: is your organic mix towards the end an organic bottled nutrient, or do you personally mix them together?
Also, I am assuming you mix the silica in with the soil since you said it's in powder form?

Also, my grandpa is a farmer who grows fields of corn. He said ph is very important. But his fields do not require ph'ing water an what not.. He just amends the soil with fine dolomite lime (for quickly fixing the ph) then pelletized lime for keeping the ph steady overtime. He also grows in natural "real" soil though.

But all in all I wonder if my friend is correct, that growing organically without synthetic nutes is the only way to go from start to finish with good results. When you think about it, yes, farmers don't ph stuff, but they are also not using synthetic nutes (to my knowledge anyways)

Sooooo I still don't know lol. Any thoughts?

Nice post, no i dont mix the organic teas that i brew with synthetic at the same time. I just switch them close to the end so that i can feed longer. Damn teas take forever how have to do it and i think most of how i feed is probably just the easiest way possible. I just buy everything that works on auto pilot.
Your quote on your grampa and his corn, your right, he doesnt ph his water for the corn right? He amends the soil and the plants then just bear with the soil for the rest of the grow. And they live, without deficiencies. Which reminds me, i have about 400 ears of corn to pick before it rains in the next couple days.
As for your your 15 yr grower, thats what some people do. They ph balance the crap outta the water and food. I dont and i still pull his numbers, so ya, to each their own. I mean i may get a couple more grams per run but then i have to mess with phing all that stuff for a couple more buds and with how much water i need i probably would pay more for the constant supply of ph down id need, the rez installation, and the monitoring system. Fuck ill just do it the old fashioned way where i just try to listen to the plant and hope for the best.
Holy smokes i feel so lazy right now, i just had a meddi cookie a while ago and its hitting me real fast so i feel soooo lazy.

And who the fucks this guy comes on here saying hes on his first grow and pitchin a fit lmao. Sounds like a future angry grower heheheeee

 

[weedenhanced]

this is my first grow and iv made a amateur mistake with my soil i first used miracle grow sixth month feed i have transplanted them into better locally made soil, but i am facing a problem of to high of a Ph i tested at 7.5 i put Sulfur in the soil and mixed it in but sulfur is not a quick enough solution in my case because it takes up to 6 months to release and conditions need to be optimal, my plants are developing what i think is a phosphorus deficiency, so my question is how can i quickly lower my Ph lvl in my soil 0.5-1.5 with my plants already in the soil i am in need of help and my plants are in need of more i appreciate any comment anyone has

Pictures plz they speak 10000 words when it comes to weed

 

[weedenhanced]

Pfffff.....lol you dumb bitch if he uses the shit i told him to and does it how i just explained hell have bomb ass plants like me. Fuck ph, if your doing it how your supposed to theres no need in the world. I lost my ph meter two fuckin years ago and havent stopped pulling a gram a watt since. Dont believe those silly ass nutrient charts. Their not that explicitly precise that your going to kill everything at a point or two off man. If your rolling 11s you have problems hes rolling it up at 7.5 dipshit. Holy fuck cut em down and start over dummy its all over baaaahahahahahaaaaa!!! And when your done go troll some other bitch you pussy

I agree fuck ph