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[Green_Machine97]

Recently I have read so much about the Kurdish Forces fighting isis in the same way Russians forces fought in Stalingrad. The Kurds out number ISIS around 2:1 or 3:1 and similarly like the Russians they are out gunned and low on supplies. From my understanding it would be against Turkish interests to supply the Kurds, will the united states go against the interests of the second biggest army in the NATO alliance? Would the Kurdish forces be able to defeat ISIS with proper supplies? Would the Kurds support a Pro-western government?

 

[Harrekin]

Recently I have read so much about the Kurdish Forces fighting isis in the same way Russians forces fought in Stalingrad. The Kurds out number ISIS around 2:1 or 3:1 and similarly like the Russians they are out gunned and low on supplies. From my understanding it would be against Turkish interests to supply the Kurds, will the united states go against the interests of the second biggest army in the NATO alliance? Would the Kurdish forces be able to defeat ISIS with proper supplies? Would the Kurds support a Pro-western government?

There'll always be blow back, the trick is minimising it.

Kurds are still Musselmen.

 

[vostok]

Recently I have read so much about the Kurdish Forces fighting isis in the same way Russians forces fought in Stalingrad. The Kurds out number ISIS around 2:1 or 3:1 and similarly like the Russians they are out gunned and low on supplies. From my understanding it would be against Turkish interests to supply the Kurds, will the united states go against the interests of the second biggest army in the NATO alliance? Would the Kurdish forces be able to defeat ISIS with proper supplies? Would the Kurds support a Pro-western government?

You have such a fucked view on current events,
your knowledge of history is just as fucked
let us remind you
Russia supports the legal Syrian govt. that the west don't
so now the west is fighting the very peeps that don't like Syria either
"The enemy of my enemy is my Enemy" says Obama
dumbass,
the real question here is
"How many more american boys are gonna die just so some arab gets to fight you next month?"​

 

[Harrekin]

You have such a fucked view on current events,
your knowledge of history is just as fucked
let us remind you
Russia supports the legal Syrian govt. that the west don't
so now the west is fighting the very peeps that don't like Syria either
"The enemy of my enemy is my Enemy" says Obama
dumbass,
the real question here is
"How many more american boys are gonna die just so some arab gets to fight you next month?"​

Let's arm the Syrian rebels!

Two months later a new Caliphate is underway due to an ususually well funded and armed group of the Syrian Rebels...

It's not rocket appliances.

 

[ChesusRice]

Recently I have read so much about the Kurdish Forces fighting isis in the same way Russians forces fought in Stalingrad. The Kurds out number ISIS around 2:1 or 3:1 and similarly like the Russians they are out gunned and low on supplies. From my understanding it would be against Turkish interests to supply the Kurds, will the united states go against the interests of the second biggest army in the NATO alliance? Would the Kurdish forces be able to defeat ISIS with proper supplies? Would the Kurds support a Pro-western government?

Well at least someone understands the dynamics of the Kurds and our Turkish allies. It is one of the reasons why after the 1st gulf war we left Hussein in power

 

[Harrekin]

Well at least someone understands the dynamics of the Kurds and our Turkish allies. It is one of the reasons why after the 1st gulf war we left Hussein in power

Just out of interest something I've been wondering and it's relevant to this, the Turkish use a lot of American tanks, jets, etc.

Do you reckon they all have a hidden kill switch for the eventual possiblity of changing alliances?

 

[ChesusRice]

Just out of interest something I've been wondering and it's relevant to this, the Turkish use a lot of American tanks, jets, etc.

Do you reckon they all have a hidden kill switch for the eventual possiblity of changing alliances?

Nope. It is the Turkish military that reigns in any attempt by Islamists trying to change the goverment from the secular one it is now.
Erdogan knows this

 

[Doer]

We are supplying 1000 pound bombs and the needed fuel, for the Kurds, every day.

The Kurds. Do you know they claim parts of Turkey, Iraq, Iran and Syria? In fact they claim almost exactly the same territory Esselle claims.

Do you see how this can be a bit confusing for NATO? Do you see how we don't want a State of anything that tromps on all those UN borders?

 

[NoDrama]

Recently I have read so much about the Kurdish Forces fighting isis in the same way Russians forces fought in Stalingrad. The Kurds out number ISIS around 2:1 or 3:1 and similarly like the Russians they are out gunned and low on supplies. From my understanding it would be against Turkish interests to supply the Kurds, will the united states go against the interests of the second biggest army in the NATO alliance? Would the Kurdish forces be able to defeat ISIS with proper supplies? Would the Kurds support a Pro-western government?

Any weapons or items that are sent to the Kurds will automatically be "accidentally" sent to ISIS.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/22/isis-us-airdrop-weapons-pentagon

 

[vostok]

"The enemy of my enemy is my Enemy" says Obama
​

Just to nail that down
Why not arm the ISIS too....lol

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· Pentagon investigating claims but admits one load missing and it would be embarrassing if it ended up in terror group’s hands
· Turkey criticises arms airdrops saying the strategy will never lead to desired results

​

 

[Green_Machine97]

I think Turkey has the right idea. Let them destroy each other. I'm sure that we should strictly bomb ISIS, lowering the Kurdish insurgency threat to turkey is imperative if we were to convince them to take a bigger role. Plus the only way to stop ignorance is with education and equal Civil Rights. From my understanding many terrorists are actually uneducated children that can be easily misled down the wrong path. Once the Public is no longer susceptible to radical ideology terrorism cannot thrive. I consider ISIS a terrorist organization and reject any recognition of them being a legitimate government. War is necessary to stopping the immediate threat but for the long term benefit of the middle eastern people schooling and equality must be our main weapon. Remember that many of the greatest scientists were from Arab and Islamic countries. The Iraqi's and Syrian's are not a silly people but a beautiful vibrant culture that has been ruined with terror and war.

 

[Harrekin]

I think Turkey has the right idea. Let them destroy each other. I'm sure that we should strictly bomb ISIS, lowering the Kurdish insurgency threat to turkey is imperative if we were to convince them to take a bigger role. Plus the only way to stop ignorance is with education and equal Civil Rights. From my understanding many terrorists are actually uneducated children that can be easily misled down the wrong path. Once the Public is no longer susceptible to radical ideology terrorism cannot thrive. I consider ISIS a terrorist organization and reject any recognition of them being a legitimate government. War is necessary to stopping the immediate threat but for the long term benefit of the middle eastern people schooling and equality must be our main weapon. Remember that many of the greatest scientists were from Arab and Islamic countries. The Iraqi's and Syrian's are not a silly people but a beautiful vibrant culture that has been ruined with terror and war.

That's racist, bro.

 

[Doer]

Arm them all, cordon the Ball Sack and let God sort it out.

 

[Green_Machine97]

That's racist, bro.

Thats not racist at all. Do some research.

 

[SmokeyDan]

The question is should we. And i think we should.

If i remember correctly, the kurds are the largest nation without a state.

Why couldn't we let them have the northern part of Iraq and some of North east Syria?

The kurds from Turkey could migrate, and worst case scenario turkey loses a few hundred square kilometers.

 

[Green_Machine97]

The question is should we. And i think we should.

If i remember correctly, the kurds are the largest nation without a state.

Why couldn't we let them have the northern part of Iraq and some of North east Syria?

The kurds from Turkey could migrate, and worst case scenario turkey loses a few hundred square kilometers.

That's a pretty good point. Ethnic people do have the right to govern themselves. However i dont think it will happen because of our " United Iraq" foreign policy.

 

[ChesusRice]

That's a pretty good point. Ethnic people do have the right to govern themselves. However i dont think it will happen because of our " United Iraq" foreign policy.

If the Kurds get a Iraq kurdistan. The Kurds in Turkey will fight harder to separate part of Turkey as well and join it.
The Iranians have a Kurds problem as well.

 

[SmokeyDan]

That's a pretty good point. Ethnic people do have the right to govern themselves. However i dont think it will happen because of our " United Iraq" foreign policy.

Iraq was created out of thin air last century.

Throughout history it's only unification has been as part of a larger polity or through an iron grip.

In ancient times it was a waring collection of city states. Unified only during rise of various empiers.

I think it is simple.

Give the north to the Kurds.

Give the south and SW to Jordan and SA. It's just stretches of desert.

I think it is possible to keep a state called Iraq, it would just need to be much smaller.

The Shiite parts from just North of Baghdad down the rivers to Basra could maintain cohesion.

So kurdistan... break the suni parts off to neighboring suni states.... and let Iraq be the south east.

 

[Harrekin]

Iraq was created out of thin air last century.

Throughout history it's only unification has been as part of a larger polity or through an iron grip.

In ancient times it was a waring collection of city states. Unified only during rise of various empiers.

I think it is simple.

Give the north to the Kurds.

Give the south and SW to Jordan and SA. It's just stretches of desert.

I think it is possible to keep a state called Iraq, it would just need to be much smaller.

The Shiite parts from just North of Baghdad down the rivers to Basra could maintain cohesion.

So kurdistan... break the suni parts off to neighboring suni states.... and let Iraq be the south east.

Iraq was the centre of the Ancient World you dumbass.

Ever heard of Mesopotamia?

Its called the "Cradle of Civilisation" for a reason.

 

[Doer]

Iraq was the centre of the Ancient World you dumbass.

Ever heard of Mesopotamia?

Its called the "Cradle of Civilisation" for a reason.

Then why are there dirty jihad Kaat babies now in the cradle?