giving defoliation during flower a try

pk_boosted2

pk_boosted2

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At the end of the day all i want is for people to have great results if they dont then they dont come back, so do you think were gonna recommend the shitty nutrients or the good ones. Problem is that so many people r cheap they dont understand paying more for better quality nutrients is worth the price and thats 85% of the customers the ones who know and have honed their craft are the ones buying advanced and h&g or going to get canna. The rest are just happy they get and can produce flowers regardless of quality and yield and that a majority of people unfortunately
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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that's total bullshit, at the end of the day, they could do the same thing with dyna gro or jacks and you would lose your ass. no other way you can coat it sweet heart.
pk_boosted2 said:
At the end of the day all i want is for people to have great results if they dont then they dont come back, so do you think were gonna recommend the shitty nutrients or the good ones. Problem is that so many people r cheap they dont understand paying more for better quality nutrients is worth the price and thats 85% of the customers the ones who know and have honed their craft are the ones buying advanced and h&g or going to get canna. The rest are just happy they get and can produce flowers regardless of quality and yield and that a majority of people unfortunately
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waterdawg

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Ninjabowler said:
Moduwhaaaaa? I got a tank, regulator, timer, and some hoses that run to the front of a couple fans and the mini split. 20 bucks a month. I have a friend who fills tanks for 9 bucks. The mini split takes care of the heat issue.
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Your $230 away from actually injecting the proper amount to ensure levels are at where they should be. Honeywell sells a nice one, just need to add 24 volt supply. I do control setup and layout for hvac systems so Im typically removing CO2 lol
 
Ninjabowler

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st0wandgrow said:
I honestly believe that this notion stems from marijuana growers wanting to inflate their own ego, and pat themselves on the back for a job well done with all of the tinkering and measuring out of this and that...... when the reality is it's 95% genetics.
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So your saying its 5% feeding? Thats it? Shit man i dont think so. Im friends with two different hydro store owners and one dispensary owner and they all agree on products like "rock" to help the flower process. These are guys whove grown many times with unlimited access to whatever they want and come to the same conclusions.
But honestly this is never going to change your mind because were all right in own minds even though theres two sides to every argument. Somebodies wrong and i have a feeling that its not the guys in the white lab coats who design flowering systems. Just my two cents.
Dont get me wrong, i think Bens a smart guy when it comes to plants. His ego and unwillingness to learn a new trick or get outta the past or even acknowledge all the scrogers in our community is ignorance at its finest.
 
pk_boosted2

pk_boosted2

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I really dont understand what makes everyone on here think uncle ben preaches the divine word of cannabis cultivation. And tells eveyone and has them thinking that nutrient companies like canna or advanced is snake oil when hes orobably never run them in his life period. So in actuality has no idea if they are good or not. I dont understand how dumb people have to be in thinking that companies would waste millions of dollars researching and developing product lines to put product on the shelves if they dont work? But u justify it by saying that the consumers are stupid? Well if the shit didnt work they would be morons but obviously they continue to purchase them over and over because the results must be good correct? Or as uncle ben would proly tell you no thats bullshit its because they dont know any better, but maybe its just the people who wont spend the money on a better quality product who just wont ever know what they are missing.
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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I used to grow with all the gimmicks and tricks, i tried ben's way and saw more,better bud for way less money and effort. That is what we call a "no brainer"
 
st0wandgrow

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pk_boosted2 said:
I really dont understand what makes everyone on here think uncle ben preaches the divine word of cannabis cultivation. And tells eveyone and has them thinking that nutrient companies like canna or advanced is snake oil when hes orobably never run them in his life period. So in actuality has no idea if they are good or not. I dont understand how dumb people have to be in thinking that companies would waste millions of dollars researching and developing product lines to put product on the shelves if they dont work? But u justify it by saying that the consumers are stupid? Well if the shit didnt work they would be morons but obviously they continue to purchase them over and over because the results must be good correct? Or as uncle ben would proly tell you no thats bullshit its because they dont know any better, but maybe its just the people who wont spend the money on a better quality product who just wont ever know what they are missing.
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I never said that they didn't work. I'm saying that they don't work any better than most any one or two part nutrient. Most growers will have a nice run of a plant and credit that to xyz nutrients when there are dozens of other variables at play.

You keep referring to millions of dollars spent on R&D. Do you have any articles that you're citing?
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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pk_boosted2 said:
I really dont understand what makes everyone on here think uncle ben preaches the divine word of cannabis cultivation. And tells eveyone and has them thinking that nutrient companies like canna or advanced is snake oil when hes orobably never run them in his life period. So in actuality has no idea if they are good or not. I dont understand how dumb people have to be in thinking that companies would waste millions of dollars researching and developing product lines to put product on the shelves if they dont work? But u justify it by saying that the consumers are stupid? Well if the shit didnt work they would be morons but obviously they continue to purchase them over and over because the results must be good correct? Or as uncle ben would proly tell you no thats bullshit its because they dont know any better, but maybe its just the people who wont spend the money on a better quality product who just wont ever know what they are missing.
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you don't get it ANYTHING works including Miracle Grow if YOU. the grower know how to use it. Ben's message is you can do the same thing with a $10 bottle that you are doing for hundreds of dollars. You just will never understand that.
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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Ninjabowler said:
So your saying its 5% feeding? Thats it? Shit man i dont think so. Im friends with two different hydro store owners and one dispensary owner and they all agree on products like "rock" to help the flower process. These are guys whove grown many times with unlimited access to whatever they want and come to the same conclusions.
But honestly this is never going to change your mind because were all right in own minds even though theres two sides to every argument. Somebodies wrong and i have a feeling that its not the guys in the white lab coats who design flowering systems. Just my two cents.
Dont get me wrong, i think Bens a smart guy when it comes to plants. His ego and unwillingness to learn a new trick or get outta the past or even acknowledge all the scrogers in our community is ignorance at its finest.
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Yes, if a plant smells like lemons its due to genetics, not some special sauce thats poured on it.

Being a hydro store owner or a dispensary owner does not qualify someone as an expert on growing marijuana. Not trying to toot my own horn here, but I have yet to go in to a hydro shop or dispensary and be schooled on anything. I'm usually dumbing the conversation down to their level...and Im by no means an expert.
 
pk_boosted2

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Omg. No u guys dont get it, ur not getting same results off dyna gro or jacks classic that advanced produces it proven bro!! There have bene countless tests done on it google it u will see side by sides advanced has sent it to labs to test them they have tested it themselves. Thats why they say and know they got the best. They also got more cannabis cup winners than all other nutrient companies combined and ur gonna tell me im making this up. Have u seen advanced lab in canada yes they spend millions a year researching and developing their nutrients. Shit no other company produces. I dont care if u buy it or not im tellin u its a fact. Highest thc and resin production u will ever achieve from advanced there is not another nutrient company that compares theres been plenty of field studies done on it look it up.

And to dude whose following uncle ben.. Wouldnt it be apparent that maybe before u tried doin what he told u that u reslly had no clue what u eere doing.. Or maybe u changed things in ur room that u set up wrong originally. To tell me u tried advanced and ran it and ur better off w cheap nutrients i know its total bs lol i dont need hear any more. Thats absurd. Like i said im not even using advanced right now im doing organics on my shit right now cuz that what the dispensaries want others i would b running it. Theres no comparison right now on the market to the shit they make its fact
 
pk_boosted2

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Well im tellin you im whats considered an "expert" in the field and im learning all the time. Once you can consistently pull down 2 lbs+ a light you know what youre doing less than 10% of all growers can do that regularly. Ive yet to see an organic line or super soil that can do that usually 1.5 is good.. Synthetics produce yields without sacrificing quality to a great deal. Theres no fuckin way dyna gro will produce 2 a light per 1k watt and their thc will never exceed 8-10% ever i dont care what genetics u run and i got customers and reps that can tell u that who have sample tests sent to labs for research analysis on plant tissue samples and terpenes and thc content including cbd levels and cbn content. Dyna gro will not come anywhere near anything canna or advanced products its proven idk why im even arguing im just so annoyed at the incompetence at this point i wish i could reach through the computer and slap some fuckin sense into u people wake the fuck up.
 
pk_boosted2

pk_boosted2

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Please go check the nutrient test and challenge they issued to every nutrient company on the market including dyna gro and see where it stacked up please


Plenty of links they run a test at an outside laboratory same cuts same phenos all same medium same rooms everything in a controlled lab and got all of it tested. It doesnt make a difference to them who finished were in the study makes no difference wnd dyna gro comes in almost last in every test ever run
 
st0wandgrow

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pk_boosted2 said:
Well im tellin you im whats considered an "expert" in the field and im learning all the time. Once you can consistently pull down 2 lbs+ a light you know what youre doing less than 10% of all growers can do that regularly. Ive yet to see an organic line or super soil that can do that usually 1.5 is good.. Synthetics produce yields without sacrificing quality to a great deal. Theres no fuckin way dyna gro will produce 2 a light per 1k watt and their thc will never exceed 8-10% ever i dont care what genetics u run and i got customers and reps that can tell u that who have sample tests sent to labs for research analysis on plant tissue samples and terpenes and thc content including cbd levels and cbn content. Dyna gro will not come anywhere near anything canna or advanced products its proven idk why im even arguing im just so annoyed at the incompetence at this point i wish i could reach through the computer and slap some fuckin sense into u people wake the fuck up.
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LOL! You're saying that no matter what genetics you're working with, if you use dyna gro nutrients you can't exceed 8%-10% thc??

And you consider yourself an "expert"??

I've heard it all now
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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dude is a complete idiot, Total AN salesman, Problem is, he believes his own sales pitches.
st0wandgrow said:
LOL! You're saying that no matter what genetics you're working with, if you use dyna gro nutrients you can't exceed 8%-10% thc??

And you consider yourself an "expert"??

I've heard it all now
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