Extra seeds not germinating?

[JuicyyFruit]

All of the seeds I have found have been from a Girl Scout Cookie bag. The first seed I found I used the wet towel method and it probably took 9 days to germinate.

But with these extra seeds I just dropped them in a cup of water this time. Some look healthy and mature and some don't. But I've had them under water for at least 48 hours and I'm a little surprised because the water cup method seems so strong.

Does the fact that the first seed took 9 days mean that if these are the same strain they will take as long? Should I take the seeds out of the water cup and place them in a wet towel now? Or should 48 hours have been enough?

 

[BROBIE]

If they sink while in the water they have a chance. After 24 hours in water xfer to the soil or whatever. The ones that won't sink usually suck.

 

[Nullis]

^What BS. Someone is going to read that, buy perfectly viable seeds from a reputable breeder and seriously think "aww these suck" because they didn't sink, when IMHO soaking seeds hours-days is most typically redundant. A seed being 'good' doesn't verge on whether or not it sinks.

You don't really need to soak seeds that are younger than a few years old and are healthy. Seed starting mix is supposed to hold water. That causes seedlings to sprout, because they'll be wet in the media.

Temperature is the most significant factor other than moisture. Greater than 72F accelerates germination.

 

[Nullis]

Mods can't ignore. I think I gave a pretty good reasoning, though. Seeds that don't sink... still grow.

What am I supposed to say? "I lovingly don't suppose I think you know what you're talking about." Since when did everyone get so damned sensitive on their e-forums anyways? And I said 'BS' which comprises two capital letters. Just saying.

 

[brimck325]

your really a mod...wtf!!!

 

[whitebb2727]

I know this sounds crazy.
Put some dirt in a solo cup, smack the bottom on the table to settle, poke a hole half inch deep, drop seed.
Cover, put some where warm. Under a cfl works great.

It is a damn seed. It grows just fine. Quit playing with it.

 

[JuicyyFruit]

^What BS. Someone is going to read that, buy perfectly viable seeds from a reputable breeder and seriously think "aww these suck" because they didn't sink, when IMHO soaking seeds hours-days is most typically redundant. A seed being 'good' doesn't verge on whether or not it sinks.

You don't really need to soak seeds that are younger than a few years old and are healthy. Seed starting mix is supposed to hold water. That causes seedlings to sprout, because they'll be wet in the media.

Temperature is the most significant factor other than moisture. Greater than 72F accelerates germination.

Nullis I just removed them from the cup and switched to the wet towel method and put them in a bag with exhaled air in front of the heater.

I know this sounds crazy.
Put some dirt in a solo cup, smack the bottom on the table to settle, poke a hole half inch deep, drop seed.
Cover, put some where warm. Under a cfl works great.

It is a damn seed. It grows just fine. Quit playing with it.

And add water of course right..enough until it drips from the bottom. I would like to try that but I am afraid if they don't sprout I will waste soil (but I guess it would be a few cups). I have 3 brown/dark brown seeds and two-three immature ones but I'm still being hopeful.

 

[vostok]

^What BS. Someone is going to read that, buy perfectly viable seeds from a reputable breeder and seriously think "aww these suck" because they didn't sink, when IMHO soaking seeds hours-days is most typically redundant. A seed being 'good' doesn't verge on whether or not it sinks.

You don't really need to soak seeds that are younger than a few years old and are healthy. Seed starting mix is supposed to hold water. That causes seedlings to sprout, because they'll be wet in the media.

Temperature is the most significant factor other than moisture. Greater than 72F accelerates germination.

You need to understand whats happening here
Best is to buy them from a seed bank but if poor use the bag waste
1: Drop your bean to a glass of water 25c/77f is good like on top of the fridge or modem to keep warm

2: the water once soaked thru and heat stimulates grow cells in the nut the bean cracks after 8 hours or so

3: then to the damp paper towel, again keep it warm, fridge top or modem for 2-3 days

4: the white tail//ROOT is now 12mm/ half an inch

5: transplant to a solo cup and seedling mix for the next 4 weeks keep warm and soft light

^ good luck​

 

[whitebb2727]

Nullis I just removed them from the cup and switched to the wet towel method and put them in a bag with exhaled air in front of the heater.


And add water of course right..enough until it drips from the bottom. I would like to try that but I am afraid if they don't sprout I will waste soil (but I guess it would be a few cups). I have 3 brown/dark brown seeds and two-three immature ones but I'm still being hopeful.

It is all good. Just never felt the need for all the extra stuff. I grow a garden and flowers from seed. All go straight to dirt.
About 90 percent sprout.

 

[vostok]

ps once the seed has soaked up enough water, it sinks to the bottom
remove as it will drown ..
YES seeds drown
as above then to the paper towel
think about it ..it will come to you!
lol​

 

[Nullis]

The seed is going to soak up water when I put it in the pre-moistened potting mix [that I didn't cut with 50% perlite], and then water thoroughly. Folks want to wait for their seeds to sink and think the other ones are just going to suck, they can go right ahead. Again just saying, that whole soak your seeds/paper towels dance isn't necessary and isn't for me (besides 30 minutes for Mycorrhiza).

I think the statement I made was fairly mild, you guys obviously haven't read any of my other shit. But you do realize various reputable breeders that provide online grow guides specifically advise against soaking and paper towels?

 

[Flash63]

Put them directly into your medium of choice,well rinsed coco work great for me

 

[vostok]

The seed is going to soak up water when I put it in the pre-moistened potting mix [that I didn't cut with 50% perlite], and then water thoroughly. Folks want to wait for their seeds to sink and think the other ones are just going to suck, they can go right ahead. Again just saying, that whole soak your seeds/paper towels dance isn't necessary and isn't for me (besides 30 minutes for Mycorrhiza).

I think the statement I made was fairly mild, you guys obviously haven't read any of my other shit. But you do realize various reputable breeders that provide online grow guides specifically advise against soaking and paper towels?

Put them directly into your medium of choice,well rinsed coco work great for me

Both of these guys are correct, with my DIY fresh seeds or strains
I buy in that are popular, yes plant straight to soil,
but in many cases seeds have been lying around for years
and in some very questionable places require special treatment
gurgle stratification for more, one auto I got from Spain took 3 months to Germ 2 outta 10 seeds that was a bitch
I got her to grow, now I got a million SS autos that I know will pop straight to dirt, but seeds dry out
and experience kicks in, wait and see!

For this very reason I urge caution when buying expensive non popular seeds from your seedbank​

 

[BROBIE]

Mods can't ignore. I think I gave a pretty good reasoning, though. Seeds that don't sink... still grow.

What am I supposed to say? "I lovingly don't suppose I think you know what you're talking about." Since when did everyone get so damned sensitive on their e-forums anyways? And I said 'BS' which comprises two capital letters. Just saying.

Maybe I was a bit vague in my answer but It's not BS, Maybe I should clarify that you wait up to 24 hrs for it to sink, not insinuating that it should immediately sink..It's another method and works for me when I come across old seed. Young seeds sink quickly. Usually with any small seeds if they are not fully encapsulated (cracked or something) they will dry out. A viable seed will sink since it has encased germ within it. If I have gobs of old seed, I don't want to fuck around for 3-4 days sometimes waiting for a tail. Sink = plant. float =cull. 1 day. done. It may not be 100% but it's not BS either. I also said plant it after that in the medium as not to increase failure damaging or infecting a germed seed when you use the paper towel method . There are hundreds of horties that do it that way.

In my experience, those that don't sink had a much higher failure rate than those that do when I planted them regardless.

 

[whitebb2727]

Nullis I just removed them from the cup and switched to the wet towel method and put them in a bag with exhaled air in front of the heater.


And add water of course right..enough until it drips from the bottom. I would like to try that but I am afraid if they don't sprout I will waste soil (but I guess it would be a few cups). I have 3 brown/dark brown seeds and two-three immature ones but I'm still being hopeful.

I normally make sure my soil is moist when I start. When you put you seed in i just put enough water on the seed for the dirt to collapse and remove air from around the seed. Just use a dropper or something of the sort. Just let it sit until it pops. If top of soil looks dry, mist or put just a little water on it.

I have seen a bunch of seeds flicked in the yard or various places sprout and grow.

It is cool when you walk out some where and notice a plant a foot or two tall for the first time and realize you have been walking right by it.

 

[Nullis]

If I had a lot of old/bag seeds to grow out, I'd PT-germ about 5 of them just to check the success rate. Or let them all germ in paper towels if you're doing that many and transplant... Old seeds are the exception rather than the rule though. Though every seed germ thread now it seems like it is "soak em, paper towels", "soak em". It seems to me like it is more popular now to soak\pt than it used to be and as opposed to just paper towels... but at least less newbs seem to be using domes as if seedlings require a terrarium.

If you're using bag seed or DIY, I'd use the finger-roll test to see if they are mature. Take the seed between your thumb and forefinger, roll it and don't be a bitch about it (but ROLL it, don't apply direct pressure like an asshole either if you happen to be Hulk Hogan). If the seed cracks or crumbles it failed the test, was not mature or was compromised and most probably would not have germinated.

See, I don't like wasting time either. I know everyone assumes they simply have more experience than anyone else. But still, I fail to see how thoroughly moistened media lacks anything in the seed sprouting dept. over paper towels or a cup of water. E.g. how much 'wetter' is a cup of water over a wet paper towel... how does the water in the cup permeate a seed better than the water in a paper towel or media? In media such as coco coir/vermiculite/rockwool or even paper towels, are the seeds not still surrounded in moisture?

I'm not going to assume a seed is bad just because it doesn't sink on my schedule. I just germinated a variety of seeds, some a few years old, others fresher and a couple I had no idea. After soaking half hour for inoculation, several of the fresher seeds some of which were on the small side had not sunk. They were put directly in media and most sprouted after 3 days, the rest by a couple more. That isn't waiting 4 days for a taproot, that is cotyledons open with true leaves grown by day 4 or 5 after sprouting. Takes longer in cooler temperatures.

I would rather do it that way with old seeds, too although I'd definitely soak them for inoculation for that 30 minutes, then it is direct to media. Media is kept moist and warm, under lighting and they can germinate and sprout at the rate they are going to. They get light the moment they break through the soil.

I understand a lot of folks put the seeds soaking/in paper on top of the fridge, cable box or modem. Think about what you're doing there, warming up the seeds. It is the warmth that 'accelerates' the germination process, not the magic of paper towels. What I am saying is, if you've had bad results doing it otherwise (i.e. in media) one reason was potentially because the media wasn't kept warm enough. The temperature of the media should be +72F, tube fluorescent lighting helps that. I use a heat mat and lighting in the winter.

 

[JuicyyFruit]

If I had a lot of old/bag seeds to grow out, I'd PT-germ about 5 of them just to check the success rate. Or let them all germ in paper towels if you're doing that many and transplant... Old seeds are the exception rather than the rule though. Though every seed germ thread now it seems like it is "soak em, paper towels", "soak em". It seems to me like it is more popular now to soak\pt than it used to be and as opposed to just paper towels... but at least less newbs seem to be using domes as if seedlings require a terrarium.

If you're using bag seed or DIY, I'd use the finger-roll test to see if they are mature. Take the seed between your thumb and forefinger, roll it and don't be a bitch about it (but ROLL it, don't apply direct pressure like an asshole either if you happen to be Hulk Hogan). If the seed cracks or crumbles it failed the test, was not mature or was compromised and most probably would not have germinated.

See, I don't like wasting time either. I know everyone assumes they simply have more experience than anyone else. But still, I fail to see how thoroughly moistened media lacks anything in the seed sprouting dept. over paper towels or a cup of water. E.g. how much 'wetter' is a cup of water over a wet paper towel... how does the water in the cup permeate a seed better than the water in a paper towel or media? In media such as coco coir/vermiculite/rockwool or even paper towels, are the seeds not still surrounded in moisture?

I'm not going to assume a seed is bad just because it doesn't sink on my schedule. I just germinated a variety of seeds, some a few years old, others fresher and a couple I had no idea. After soaking half hour for inoculation, several of the fresher seeds some of which were on the small side had not sunk. They were put directly in media and most sprouted after 3 days, the rest by a couple more. That isn't waiting 4 days for a taproot, that is cotyledons open with true leaves grown by day 4 or 5 after sprouting. Takes longer in cooler temperatures.

I would rather do it that way with old seeds, too although I'd definitely soak them for inoculation for that 30 minutes, then it is direct to media. Media is kept moist and warm, under lighting and they can germinate and sprout at the rate they are going to. They get light the moment they break through the soil.

I understand a lot of folks put the seeds soaking/in paper on top of the fridge, cable box or modem. Think about what you're doing there, warming up the seeds. It is the warmth that 'accelerates' the germination process, not the magic of paper towels. What I am saying is, if you've had bad results doing it otherwise (i.e. in media) one reason was potentially because the media wasn't kept warm enough. The temperature of the media should be +72F, tube fluorescent lighting helps that. I use a heat mat and lighting in the winter.

The reason why I won't do medium until germinating becomes routine is because I'm just too anxious to pop them in soil and wait. I need to see progress or else I'll probably dig the seed out a day before it breaks soil and ruin it.

As far as taking it out of the water cup into the wet towel this is how it looks so far.

I was thinking about planting the germinated one in the soil tomorrow morning to let it open a little more but will it grow faster if I do it right now? Also do I presoak the solo cup until it leak from the bottom pr just moisten it up a fair amount before planting the seed?

The three seed in the middle I consider mature but they have no signs of a root yet. The other two look immature and I don't think they will germinate? Can you say anything about the seeds from the pic?

 

[Nullis]

My philosophy is the less you fuss with them, the better they are likely to do. Trust me it is difficult even for me to practice what I preach, but I have yet to find an easier way. It doesn't even matter how many times you germinate seeds, or how many seeds you've germinated- odds are you are going to get the urge to dig them up the next day after planting to "check up on them"... but they don't need you.

I think a seed is better off germinating in media any day of the week, or in other words undisturbed. Once a tap-root is visible, in perfect conditions the seed really should have no problem becoming a seedling (doesn't matter how long the taproot is). One thing a tap root actually does in nature is orient the seed towards lighting and help to shed the shell off the seedling as it emerges. In paper towels there is no intense light source, or anything to separate the part of the seed that's supposed to go up (cotyledons) from the part that is supposed to go down (the taproot). I know everyone thinks root down is the way to go but the seed really does know what it is doing.

A Cannabis tap root can protrude up to a few inches in a relatively short amount of time. Another function of the tap root is to grow deep and allow secondary roots to branch off. Even the taproot itself has these very fine and delicate hairs that want to grow and anchor into media.

Always make sure you have an appropriate seed starting media (holds water, isn't too hot). When I mix media I mist it while I am mixing with water (I use a pump-spayer). After planting seeds I water thoroughly, which means until there is run off from the bottom yes.