ghb - this is how i grow

[ghb]

i dont use all of those products at the same time, they are simply things i have used over the last few years that i thought worked.

on this run, in this garden i am using 4 products from start to finish ( if you check the day 21 video below you can see exactly what the plants get fed on a week by week basis); canna coco A+B, atami bloombastic, canna boost and canna zym. i have done grows using only base nutrients and i feel that the quality and yield were terrible when compared to adding, say, £20 worth of "boosters".

while i'm not denying that for the raw material of what i am actually receiving is not what i am paying for, i still am happy to pay it for the convenience of knowing that it works consistently and i don't have to work hard to achieve results better than what you will find in most dispensaries. the day i feel my product is not up to scratch is the day i may change my mind on using all these manufactured noob solutions.

here they are on monday:

how many first time growers achieve 1 gram per watt on a grow with a 10 week turnaround? not many i bet.

first grow:

8x4 tent
drain to waste
sog 40 x 6.5l coco with 3in of hydroton on the bottom of the pot and on the top
strain (unknown cutting) "lemon"
veg 7 days from cutting 24/0 lighting 1200w hps
flower 63 days 12/12 1200w hps

1140g dry yield of top buds only, popcorn was not weighed.


the only thing that made this grow possible was the simplicity of having the bottled nutrients available, i could research for a decade on how to do an organic grow and i doubt i would be able to replicate this yield, quality and turnaround.


so criticism duly noted hank, but you just don't see the world through my eyes. it all makes perfect sense to me.

 

[oldman60]

i dont use all of those products at the same time, they are simply things i have used over the last few years that i thought worked.

on this run, in this garden i am using 4 products from start to finish ( if you check the day 21 video below you can see exactly what the plants get fed on a week by week basis); canna coco A+B, atami bloombastic, canna boost and canna zym. i have done grows using only base nutrients and i feel that the quality and yield were terrible when compared to adding, say, £20 worth of "boosters".

while i'm not denying that for the raw material of what i am actually receiving is not what i am paying for, i still am happy to pay it for the convenience of knowing that it works consistently and i don't have to work hard to achieve results better than what you will find in most dispensaries. the day i feel my product is not up to scratch is the day i may change my mind on using all these manufactured noob solutions.

here they are on monday:

how many first time growers achieve 1 gram per watt on a grow with a 10 week turnaround? not many i bet.

first grow:

8x4 tent
drain to waste
sog 40 x 6.5l coco with 3in of hydroton on the bottom of the pot and on the top
strain (unknown cutting) "lemon"
veg 7 days from cutting 24/0 lighting 1200w hps
flower 63 days 12/12 1200w hps

1140g dry yield of top buds only, popcorn was not weighed.


the only thing that made this grow possible was the simplicity of having the bottled nutrients available, i could research for a decade on how to do an organic grow and i doubt i would be able to replicate this yield, quality and turnaround.


so criticism duly noted hank, but you just don't see the world through my eyes. it all makes perfect sense to me.

That's what I call production.

 

[ghb]

i just want this grow done and out the way, these plants are starting to grate on me.

 

[oldman60]

They look sweet, fat and sassy why the dischord my friend?

 

[ghb]

i'm happy with how the blue pit is coming along but the cheese is just a mess and the bilberry #1 i harvested is not looking the best quality ( i already knew it wouldn't be up to much because of the problems she had during the grow, but it's still a blow)

i'm not 100% happy with the grow and though it is my third harvest of the year in this garden i know i could and indeed should have done better. from now on i will be looking to do 4 plants per light and veg them less, this should give me similar yields but i'll be able to sneak another harvest in i think.

thanks for watching man.

 

[oldman60]

I've been doing 5 plants per but I also am thinking 4 would be better.
When you flip do you wait until the shade leaves stop growing in even pairs
or do you just use height as your indicator?

 

[ghb]

if growing seeds i would flip sooner rather than later, if it has a sativa in the mix i would flip at 12-15" tall (from the pot) if growing 4 under a 600w light. any taller and you wont get the stuff lower down growing at the same rate as the stuff higher up the plant.

a bit of training or topping to get them to bush out is a good idea. i like to clone the top and a few lower branches and label them in case they turn out anything special, then you keep the ones you like for the next run and discard the less favourable. this is a good way to save the plant any down time in the veg cycle as you are eliminating apical dominance whilst removing the less desired lower branches that will not produce as much as the tops. you end up training the plant and getting cuttings for the troubles! plus you are not wasting time like in scrog type grows which i am particularly not a fan of. i know lots of great growers make them work but it is not for me, time wasted vegging in the flower room is total yearly yield lost. i have learned this lesson doing big plants the last couple of runs, i get massive yields but not managing 4 harvests is a bad thing.


here is an old grow where i ran an sog of 1 week vegged cuttings along side four large plants from seed ( 1 was cutting 3 were from seed), i was a real noob, it was my second ever grow and i got over over 110g from each big plant, flipped at around that height with a bit of bondage to pull down any branches getting too wayward.

they ended up tall, slightly over vegged possibly but good for a novice.

you will get less stretch when the nodes are no longer running parallel with each other, but it will still stretch a hell of a lot more than cuttings. training and topping can work wonders for overall yield and quality i find.

 

[oldman60]

if growing seeds i would flip sooner rather than later, if it has a sativa in the mix i would flip at 12-15" tall (from the pot) if growing 4 under a 600w light. any taller and you wont get the stuff lower down growing at the same rate as the stuff higher up the plant.

a bit of training or topping to get them to bush out is a good idea. i like to clone the top and a few lower branches and label them in case they turn out anything special, then you keep the ones you like for the next run and discard the less favourable. this is a good way to save the plant any down time in the veg cycle as you are eliminating apical dominance whilst removing the less desired lower branches that will not produce as much as the tops. you end up training the plant and getting cuttings for the troubles! plus you are not wasting time like in scrog type grows which i am particularly not a fan of. i know lots of great growers make them work but it is not for me, time wasted vegging in the flower room is total yearly yield lost. i have learned this lesson doing big plants the last couple of runs, i get massive yields but not managing 4 harvests is a bad thing.


here is an old grow where i ran an sog of 1 week vegged cuttings along side four large plants from seed ( 1 was cutting 3 were from seed), i was a real noob, it was my second ever grow and i got over over 110g from each big plant, flipped at around that height with a bit of bondage to pull down any branches getting too wayward.

they ended up tall, slightly over vegged possibly but good for a novice.

you will get less stretch when the nodes are no longer running parallel with each other, but it will still stretch a hell of a lot more than cuttings. training and topping can work wonders for overall yield and quality i find.

I see what you mean, thank you.

 

[AlphaPhase]

nice videos ghb. Looks like you're doing great

 

[jigfresh]

nice thread. Stupid about saerimmer. I get told about the number of bottles I use and their cost too. It appears different from the outside I think. I spend very little on nutes and additives and only use 4 Bottles at a time. Tried 'simple' organic soil.... Growing has never seemed as complicated as doing that. Not sure what I was doing wrong but I'll keep my bottles for now. Still have sacks of bat, bird, and worm shit outside.

 

[oldman60]

How many absolute organic gardeners are out there? most will use a bottle now and then
unless you're making your own compost and getting rock phos. and other raw minerals
you'll go get some bottles sometime.

 

[oldman60]

if growing seeds i would flip sooner rather than later, if it has a sativa in the mix i would flip at 12-15" tall (from the pot) if growing 4 under a 600w light. any taller and you wont get the stuff lower down growing at the same rate as the stuff higher up the plant.

a bit of training or topping to get them to bush out is a good idea. i like to clone the top and a few lower branches and label them in case they turn out anything special, then you keep the ones you like for the next run and discard the less favourable. this is a good way to save the plant any down time in the veg cycle as you are eliminating apical dominance whilst removing the less desired lower branches that will not produce as much as the tops. you end up training the plant and getting cuttings for the troubles! plus you are not wasting time like in scrog type grows which i am particularly not a fan of. i know lots of great growers make them work but it is not for me, time wasted vegging in the flower room is total yearly yield lost. i have learned this lesson doing big plants the last couple of runs, i get massive yields but not managing 4 harvests is a bad thing.


here is an old grow where i ran an sog of 1 week vegged cuttings along side four large plants from seed ( 1 was cutting 3 were from seed), i was a real noob, it was my second ever grow and i got over over 110g from each big plant, flipped at around that height with a bit of bondage to pull down any branches getting too wayward.

they ended up tall, slightly over vegged possibly but good for a novice.

you will get less stretch when the nodes are no longer running parallel with each other, but it will still stretch a hell of a lot more than cuttings. training and topping can work wonders for overall yield and quality i find.

I plan on topping for around 18 tops if I can this should bring my yield up over what I was getting.

 

[ghb]

I plan on topping for around 18 tops if I can this should bring my yield up over what I was getting.

that is the joy of seed growing for me, being able to shape the plants exactly how you want them for even growth, getting clones to grow as uniformly as a from seed plant is a big ask.

18 tops is easily achievable, 7-14g per top and you have a big ass yield. look up the main lining thread ( no it's not injecting drugs lol)

nice thread. Stupid about saerimmer. I get told about the number of bottles I use and their cost too. It appears different from the outside I think. I spend very little on nutes and additives and only use 4 Bottles at a time. Tried 'simple' organic soil.... Growing has never seemed as complicated as doing that. Not sure what I was doing wrong but I'll keep my bottles for now. Still have sacks of bat, bird, and worm shit outside.

the site gets worse and worse every day, it's getting to the point where it's not even a cannabis growers forum any more, just a shitty old bridge for a load of trolls to hide under.


i agree 100 percent, soil growing is definately more difficult than hydro as i feel you have a lot less control over what the plants are getting. i am looking forward to doing a soil grow soon just to see if i can notice a difference in flavour, not looking forward to the potential problems i may run in to though

what you gon' do with all that shit? lol

 

[jigfresh]

I've been trying to give all my shit away. I think a visiting riu'r is going to take it. It was expensive shit. Hahaha

Good luck with soil. I fared miserably with it. Taste was nice, the 3 bowls there was to smoke. I found a huge difference in taste my last round using led's. I don't think it was the light so much as the change in environment. More humidity, more regular temps, etc.

 

[oldman60]

that is the joy of seed growing for me, being able to shape the plants exactly how you want them for even growth, getting clones to grow as uniformly as a from seed plant is a big ask.

18 tops is easily achievable, 7-14g per top and you have a big ass yield. look up the main lining thread ( no it's not injecting drugs lol)







the site gets worse and worse every day, it's getting to the point where it's not even a cannabis growers forum any more, just a shitty old bridge for a load of trolls to hide under.


i agree 100 percent, soil growing is definately more difficult than hydro as i feel you have a lot less control over what the plants are getting. i am looking forward to doing a soil grow soon just to see if i can notice a difference in flavour, not looking forward to the potential problems i may run in to though

what you gon' do with all that shit? lol

Thanks, I've done a lot of pinching and shaping with plants.
Have you done supercropping? I know injury to branches results in hormone production at the bud site.
would you recommend it over pinching on taller plants like Thai or Hawaiian?

 

[ghb]

I've been trying to give all my shit away. I think a visiting riu'r is going to take it. It was expensive shit. Hahaha

Good luck with soil. I fared miserably with it. Taste was nice, the 3 bowls there was to smoke. I found a huge difference in taste my last round using led's. I don't think it was the light so much as the change in environment. More humidity, more regular temps, etc.

you mean your last run in hydro was actually the tastiest stuff you have grown? i do think that environment is more important than anything, i know of people who grow dank on a bottle of £1 tomato feed. keep the plants happy and they will always reward you with sweet sticky nugs of fire.

i am opting for the dutch bottled organics of biobizz, i know a lot of the uk lads use it to great effect, if i like the results i might go down the route of mixing my own soil as you did, just bigger pots lol! i'm gently easing myself into organics, try it on one garden and see.

Thanks, I've done a lot of pinching and shaping with plants.
Have you done supercropping? I know injury to branches results in hormone production at the bud site.
would you recommend it over pinching on taller plants like Thai or Hawaiian?

i am a proponent of doing whatever it take to get the plant the shape you want it OM. some strains will not require any topping at all but i never found a strain that didn't require some sort of input to produce well, unless you are running sog on clones with a couple of weeks veg max that is.

if you re growing out heirloom sativas and you know they will at least triple in height i think lst is the best medicine, tie the dominant branches to the rim of the pot and it will give better results than super cropping imo. i supercrop as a last resort kind of thing, when i have flipped to flower and one branch just starts shooting for the sky, i'll literally snap it in half to slow it down, around a week later ( usually when other branches have caught up) it will be back upright and have a big fat knuckle where i bent it over.

supercrop bud porn : g 13 haze, it still give me a big fat top but allowed the other sides to still produce some chunky buds too

 

[oldman60]

Thanks, I appreciate your patience and instruction.
I do plan a Thai grow of 3 plants along with some PWxOG,
Extrema and Dog.

 

[ghb]

pw/ og and extrema will likely stay quite short and the dog and thai will end up very tall, there are short dog phenos out there but i've only had the taller one and i thought it was fantastic to grow, the densest buds i have seen by some distance.

 

[jigfresh]

Yeah,my he last hydro run was the nicest taste. Lower day temps, higher night temps, humidity at good levels, air circulation reasonable. Had healthy looking plants at harvest time for the first time. Only issue was little buds, but that was on my vegging too long.

 

[ghb]

i would rather have a thousand joint sized nugs than forty huge colas, all that stem and leaf in there pisses me off, don't you just love those little golf balls that made a thud when you drop them on the table!. throw the whole thing in the grinder and away you go lol

that is why i loved the dog so much, the stretch meant the buds never joined to form colas but each individual bud was just flawless, a wall of trichomes protecting the dark green flowers underneath, like little rocks they were.

how is your grow progressing?, not seen any pics for a while jig, they are in the tubes right?