The differences between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party

[ginwilly]

So people that work for the government don't have the right to associate?

Sure, they can associate all they want. They just shouldn't be allowed to collectively bargain with a voted on commodity. That's how retired police in Taylor Mi make 100K a year at 45 years old.

That's how cities end up with legacy costs more than current costs.

Vote for me and I'll do ____ is common. Help me get elected and I'll negotiate your raise and benefits package is asking for corruption. "I'll give you future benefits that you can take from the future citizens long after I leave office, just help me get elected".

 

[schuylaar]

Uncle buck totally pwned you again

PWNED!

 

[schuylaar]

Sure, they can associate all they want. They just shouldn't be allowed to collectively bargain with a voted on commodity. That's how retired police in Taylor Mi make 100K a year at 45 years old.

That's how cities end up with legacy costs more than current costs.

Vote for me and I'll do ____ is common. Help me get elected and I'll negotiate your raise and benefits package is asking for corruption.

i spoke to and voted for the guy for mayor of our lovely metropolis who specifically pointed out he was not backed by the PBA

 

[ginwilly]

you forgot
"Detroit"

Your sarcasm is noted yet your point is loud and clear even if you can't hear it yourself.

 

[ginwilly]

i spoke to and voted for the guy for mayor of our lovely metropolis who specifically pointed out he was not backed by the PBA

Pro bowlers association?

Are your city workers unionized? I didn't think Florida played that game.

 

[schuylaar]

Pro bowlers association?

Are your city workers unionized? I didn't think Florida played that game.

oh yeaaaaaaaah.

9% of my ex-husbands pay.

no unions for the "little people" and "vermin" of florida (that's everyone else)

 

[ginwilly]

oh yeaaaaaaaah.

9% of my ex-husbands pay.

no unions for the "little people" and "vermin" of florida (that's everyone else)

Police and Fire are different animals from city clerks and DMV workers or street sweepers or water filter changer guy.

Having a city matched pension for people who can't possibly effectively do the same job at 60 is the right thing to do. 9% Isn't bad, some are matched at 18%. We don't want people working for the departments because they are too old to work somewhere else, that's how lives are lost.

Having that same pension for someone who mows the lawn at the university for 20 years is unsustainable. It's feel good, but it's a model that fails every time. Then after they work at the university for 20 years, they can collect, and cut grass at the rest stops for 20 years. Now they get to double dip from future citizens who don't receive the benefits of that person working.

 

[ginwilly]

Here's an article from DailyKos, that vicious right wing propaganda website talking about how government pensions are bankrupting us.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/18/1187925/-Banrupting-US-Government-Pensions

What this model of public sector unionizing has shown around the globe is each generation is robbed of resources by the last generation. Instead of money being spent on schools and roads the last generation were able to benefit from, the next generation pays people to not work first, then what's left over gets spent on schools and roads.

It's Greece in a nutshell.

 

[schuylaar]

Here's an article from DailyKos, that vicious right wing propaganda website talking about how government pensions are bankrupting us.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/18/1187925/-Banrupting-US-Government-Pensions

What this model of public sector unionizing has shown around the globe is each generation is robbed of resources by the last generation. Instead of money being spent on schools and roads the last generation were able to benefit from, the next generation pays people to not work first, then what's left over gets spent on schools and roads.

It's Greece in a nutshell.

GW you can't tell me anything about the right that would shock me. refer to OP

 

[ginwilly]

GW you can't tell me anything about the right that would shock me. refer to OPView attachment 3317598

Nothing in my post had anything to do with the right you independent you.

 

[ttystikk]

Democrats have expressed their disdain for the US Constitution:

They want to do away with the first amendment;

They want to ignore the second amendment;

They want to (and actually have succeeded) in applying the commerce clause to allow the Feds to reign supreme.

Democrats are fascists at heart.

So are Republicans, only much more so.

The tendency of those in power to gather more of it to themselves is well documented throughout history. The Founding Fathers created a constitutional bulwark against this threat:

Citizens.

On the other hand, we citizens do actually have to get up off our lazy asses and get involved, which may be another flaw in the document. We shall see.

 

[ttystikk]

I dont care how much money is spent on elections

I just want to know where it came from

I do. I think 'none's the only correct answer here. Money is the antithesis of free speech, not an extension of it.

 

[schuylaar]

I guess the best way to shutdown a lefty rant thread is to ask them to explain themselves.

or you can google, like everyone else in this world.

 

[nitro harley]

right?

none of them smoke or grow.

they love to hate on you because their lives are misery.

Sky.

I grow and smoke. I ended up doing to good of job and had to stop for awhile on the growing part. At the present rate of consumption it will take me two years before I get low enough to grow again.

 

[schuylaar]

I do. I think 'none's the only correct answer here. Money is the antithesis of free speech, not an extension of it.

B-R-A-V-O!!!

+rep

 

[desert dude]

Money is required to get your view point heard by the public.

 

[desert dude]

Uncle buck totally pwned you again

Who?

 

[NoDrama]

Who?

I was wondering the same thing, doesn't everyone have him on ignore?

 

[ginwilly]

I do. I think 'none's the only correct answer here. Money is the antithesis of free speech, not an extension of it.

In a system built on the transfer of money, nothing speaks louder.

Don't like Chik-fil-a? make a statement by eating at Popeye's.

Don't like how Wal-mart treats it's employees? Shop at the local mom and pops.

If we are going to remain a capital driven society, and no matter how distasteful we find it we are not leaving it, money speaks as loud and clear as anything.

I'm not a fan of "he who spends the most wins", but I need help from fellow voters to stop making this true.

Have you noticed how campaign ads have grown progressively more negative? Do you know why? study after study shows it works.

So unfortunately, if you want to win an election, you have to outspend and completely bash and discredit your opponent. We have reached that inevitable conclusion of our two party system where we vote against someone instead of for someone.

Money is the least of our problems. The two party "vote for the lesser evil" mentality is much more of a problem.

 

[NoDrama]

If republicans are making so many bad laws, why is Obama signing them? I thought Obama was the people's president?