Bug ID (picture)

TheYokel

TheYokel

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Nah, I just figured out how to zoom in your pic. No question.

You need to work quickly... like... go.
 
howsitgrowin420

howsitgrowin420

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yeah, I didn't wait for answers. Everything was sprayed with 1/2 oz lavender oil, 5ml dawn dishsoap (regular animal safe, not antibacterial) and a liter of water. Drenched top and bottom of leaves at the beginning of the dark cycle.

Couldn't find any in flower (fingers crossed), so "hopefully" they came in on a bag of soil. I'll keep looking daily and might just go ahead and spray down the flower room anyway.
 
howsitgrowin420

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and I've lowered my temperatures in both rooms....not a lot I can do about the humidity right now or I'd try to increase that as well.
 
howsitgrowin420

howsitgrowin420

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I checked out some samples and found some carcasses, but there were also more living mites. I sprayed one directly and watched it, it immediately stopped moving and curled into a ball. After thoroughly examining some interior branches I decided to defoliate up to all but the very top nodes. It is unfortunate to lose so much vegetation, but those girls were far enough along that I think they will be ok. My first application of spray was rather cursory and the majority of living mites today were found on the undersides of the leaves. Some plants were more infected than others.

After removing nearly all of the vegetation I spaced the plants and sprayed first the stalks and then the undersides of the remaining leaves (.5oz lavender oil, 5ml blue dawn non-antibacterial with a duck on the front, 950ml room temp water). Next I showered the tops of each plant with spray as I spun them around. I also coated the top of the soil and the pots. I allowed the spray to freely go about the room, but the fans are off and everyone is just sitting in the lavender dark for now.

Yesterday I emptied all non essential items from the room and thoroughly swept. I wiped my lights down with rubbing alcohol. Today I again swept and will wipe the lights down before turning them back on. I usually run a 24 hour veg, but the girls get 6hrs in the dark for their lavender spa treatment. For the next application of lavender, I will use a paper towel and wipe each of the remaining leaves. I've used one bottle of solution to the two applications. With the next mixture I plan to first spray the walls, wipe them down, and then wipe them down again with either lavender or alcohol - I thought bleach and may still, but I am concerned with having too many fumes in the room.

I didn't find anything in flower, but I'll be looking again tonight and my cold cycle is currently at 60 to at least slow them down if they are in there....guess I'll have some purple green crack.

This kind of blows, but if the lavender works, I'll be using it as a preventative for the future. If I can't eliminate them quickly, I'll sterilize my old flower room, move the veg into there for a minute, sterilize the veg, move the veg back in, flower 4 in the old flower room, finish the current flower room, sterilize it, and start from isolated and quarantined clones. I clean ALOT and I spend a lot of time in my room, but I also started taking clones from a dirty room without quarantining them first - tough lesson. It's not like I can just shut down and start fresh....but this is really pushing building a garage to the forefront if only to start with a completely fresh room.

and I added two hot shot strips....I know, I know, not ideal, but at least it is veg.
 
howsitgrowin420

howsitgrowin420

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I don't know if the defoliation was necessary, but it certainly made things easier to work with. I found a lot of dead mite bodies yesterday. I have some of the more infected leaves in a jar to see if the eggs hatch or if the mites are just dormant, but I'm really hoping that the lavender killed them.

The leaves took some damage from the lavender spray, but they'll recover - I've been spraying liberally with clean water to help things along. Even though I haven't found any live mites since the lavender, I'm still keeping my temps lower. I also decided to empty out my old veg room (a closet that I've been using for drying and miscellaneous storage), sterilize it with bleach, and use it as a quarantine.

Assuming no live mites today, and assuming that the bleach fumes have aired, I'll move the plants over to the quarantine after a light lavender coating - particularly the pots and top of the soil. Then I'll wipe down the light with alcohol and move it over. The water pans have already been soaked in bleach water. Once my veg room is cleared, I'll wash everything twice top to bottom with bleach water and move everything back in once it has aired out.

I found a couple mites in flower and I know that means there are more. I'll take one of my lights and move it over to the old veg closet for a temporary flower area. Usually, I run batches of 4 every 2-2.5 weeks. I'll have to go down to single plant batches. The plants that are currently in flower will be closely monitored, spot treated as necessary, and allowed to finish, but I'll start new batches in the quarantine. When everyone cycles out of the flower room, I'll wash it and everything in it with bleach and/or lavender. Then I'll start fresh.

If you aren't currently taking preventative measures for mites, start. I included a closeup of the little bugger and a picture of my very naked girls. There's also a picture of the damage from the lavender spray - I put it on really heavy.
 

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Flagg420

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I try to run preventatives now whenever I can, some neem or some 3in1... Once I find any live one, its a back n forth of mighty wash and azamax... dont use just one miticide, they grow immunities after a while...

Make sure you are killing them all in THE ROOM as well as on the plants, or you will never ever be rid of them.
 
howsitgrowin420

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the lavender spray was super mild and along with defoliation it seems to have taken care of them. the entire room was emptied and cleaned. FYI: four of the plants pictured have been moved to flower and are showing according to schedule. Lavender.
 
dannyboy602

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Mites and all insects have life cycles. Learn what it is you're treating for, its life cycle and you'll get better at eliminating them.
Treated as crawlers or new baby mites, they die easier with less product. Adult mites need heavier application.
 
Alienwidow

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howsitgrowin420 said:
I don't know if the defoliation was necessary, but it certainly made things easier to work with. I found a lot of dead mite bodies yesterday. I have some of the more infected leaves in a jar to see if the eggs hatch or if the mites are just dormant, but I'm really hoping that the lavender killed them.

The leaves took some damage from the lavender spray, but they'll recover - I've been spraying liberally with clean water to help things along. Even though I haven't found any live mites since the lavender, I'm still keeping my temps lower. I also decided to empty out my old veg room (a closet that I've been using for drying and miscellaneous storage), sterilize it with bleach, and use it as a quarantine.

Assuming no live mites today, and assuming that the bleach fumes have aired, I'll move the plants over to the quarantine after a light lavender coating - particularly the pots and top of the soil. Then I'll wipe down the light with alcohol and move it over. The water pans have already been soaked in bleach water. Once my veg room is cleared, I'll wash everything twice top to bottom with bleach water and move everything back in once it has aired out.

I found a couple mites in flower and I know that means there are more. I'll take one of my lights and move it over to the old veg closet for a temporary flower area. Usually, I run batches of 4 every 2-2.5 weeks. I'll have to go down to single plant batches. The plants that are currently in flower will be closely monitored, spot treated as necessary, and allowed to finish, but I'll start new batches in the quarantine. When everyone cycles out of the flower room, I'll wash it and everything in it with bleach and/or lavender. Then I'll start fresh.

If you aren't currently taking preventative measures for mites, start. I included a closeup of the little bugger and a picture of my very naked girls. There's also a picture of the damage from the lavender spray - I put it on really heavy.
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why in the world do you do that to your leaves. it makes them grow so slowly without leaves.
 
howsitgrowin420

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Alienwidow said:
why in the world do you do that to your leaves. it makes them grow so slowly without leaves.
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wait, so did you not read the post? What do you do when you have a mite infestation, do you leave all the egg covered leaves? Why in the world I did that to my leaves was all explained in the post, so I don't really understand if you expect an answer to your question. I guess the answer is "start at the top and read all the words, if you still have a question about why defoliation occurred, start again at the top but read slower." Hope that helps.
 
Alienwidow

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ya, when i get mites, and it happens from time to time. I've dealt with broad mites and spider mites i don't defoliate. yes, i leave the leaves with eggs on them. because they will hatch, in three days or less. i spray my leaves, plants, and stems and even the dirt and sides of the pot. they are tough buggers to get rid of but with a regular spraying routine you can control them pretty easily. they are very hard to get rid of. you are doing what most of us do when we get them at first. freaking out and doing everything you can think of to destroy them. it usually doesn't work. they find a way to keep going. i have found the best way to deal with them is just spray once a week for them. i haven't seen one in two months but I'm sure they're still around. after i notice them i give them three treatments at three days apart and then once a week and I've never had problems for like three years. they come back, i used lady bugs with great success for a while. but now i have lights i can't air cool and 130 dollar bulbs and flying bugs don't mix for me. so I've been spraying. don't get me wrong, i do remove the worst of the leaves. really badly infested ones go, i just can't understand why you would take all the leaves. thats really going to slow down the plant a lot. i really wish you well and hope that you can stop the problem totally with what your doing, but I've seen this a lot and know that they like coming back when you least expect it. and right at the end of flower too. if they do just remember, three times, three days apart, and then every week. i didn't really look at the size of your grow but if its big you can get a mosquito fogger on amazon for about 200 bucks. you can fill it with whatever and it will turn five hours of spraying into 25 minutes which is nothing at an hour and a half compared to 15 hrs. at 20 bucks an hour it paid for itself in a week and a half. happy NYs.
 
howsitgrowin420

howsitgrowin420

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Alienwidow said:
ya, when i get mites, and it happens from time to time. I've dealt with broad mites and spider mites i don't defoliate. yes, i leave the leaves with eggs on them. because they will hatch, in three days or less. i spray my leaves, plants, and stems and even the dirt and sides of the pot. they are tough buggers to get rid of but with a regular spraying routine you can control them pretty easily. they are very hard to get rid of. you are doing what most of us do when we get them at first. freaking out and doing everything you can think of to destroy them. it usually doesn't work. they find a way to keep going. i have found the best way to deal with them is just spray once a week for them. i haven't seen one in two months but I'm sure they're still around. after i notice them i give them three treatments at three days apart and then once a week and I've never had problems for like three years. they come back, i used lady bugs with great success for a while. but now i have lights i can't air cool and 130 dollar bulbs and flying bugs don't mix for me. so I've been spraying. don't get me wrong, i do remove the worst of the leaves. really badly infested ones go, i just can't understand why you would take all the leaves. thats really going to slow down the plant a lot. i really wish you well and hope that you can stop the problem totally with what your doing, but I've seen this a lot and know that they like coming back when you least expect it. and right at the end of flower too. if they do just remember, three times, three days apart, and then every week. i didn't really look at the size of your grow but if its big you can get a mosquito fogger on amazon for about 200 bucks. you can fill it with whatever and it will turn five hours of spraying into 25 minutes which is nothing at an hour and a half compared to 15 hrs. at 20 bucks an hour it paid for itself in a week and a half. happy NYs.
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Yeah, that's all well and good. I am sure we do countless things differently based on the statements above. Prior to flower those would have been completely defoliated anyway. You can hold onto your idea that it is bad and I will hold onto my idea that I don't need the larfy undergrowth that most people use to fill out bags.

Mites or not, I'll defoliate prior to flower and only push top nugs. I just won't go around talking about it on here much because the people who are into undergrowth are usually into auto trimmers and usually not into the type of "per-nug" quality I look for - a bag is just individual buds.....like seeing the forest for the trees.

Thanks for you concern but my mites are completely gone and were completely gone in about 6 days by "freaking out" as you put it.

The thing you really should have noticed was how old this post was. If you had, you could have asked if they were gone before assuming that they weren't. I can't imagine having a house or garden so dirty that it was routinely infected. If you are having that problem I would suggest starting over. This is my third location and the first time with mites. BTW you can get your $130 bulbs for far cheaper on Amazon.

You probably have never tried just pushing top nugs if you believe that will slow your plant down substantially. Those plants in the pictures are about 3 weeks from finishing flower now (you came in so late with completely wrong assumptions) and they are mite free and fine.
 
Alienwidow

Alienwidow

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howsitgrowin420 said:
Yeah, that's all well and good. I am sure we do countless things differently based on the statements above. Prior to flower those would have been completely defoliated anyway. You can hold onto your idea that it is bad and I will hold onto my idea that I don't need the larfy undergrowth that most people use to fill out bags.

Mites or not, I'll defoliate prior to flower and only push top nugs. I just won't go around talking about it on here much because the people who are into undergrowth are usually into auto trimmers and usually not into the type of "per-nug" quality I look for - a bag is just individual buds.....like seeing the forest for the trees.

Thanks for you concern but my mites are completely gone and were completely gone in about 6 days by "freaking out" as you put it.

The thing you really should have noticed was how old this post was. If you had, you could have asked if they were gone before assuming that they weren't. I can't imagine having a house or garden so dirty that it was routinely infected. If you are having that problem I would suggest starting over. This is my third location and the first time with mites. BTW you can get your $130 bulbs for far cheaper on Amazon.

You probably have never tried just pushing top nugs if you believe that will slow your plant down substantially. Those plants in the pictures are about 3 weeks from finishing flower now (you came in so late with completely wrong assumptions) and they are mite free and fine.
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my bulbs on amazon are 140 dollars. i use double ended bulbs. and I'm actually one of the guys who argues constantly with uncle ben on his anti defoliation threads. i just don't do it as aggressively as you do. and i don't get larf. also my grow room is a lot bigger than yours, hence the need to use the mosquito fogger to spray things like neem oil onto my garden. which gets swept all the time btw. i have a spotless garden (almost) no leaves on the tables, on the tops of of the growing material. when you cycle through hundreds of plants a cycle its just a little harder than when you only run one light in your closet. and i was just asking you questions on your thread to try and explain that I've done defoliation tests and doing it to that extreme ends up hurting your yield by a lot. you can still remove only a little bit from the bottom and still get the same good results with no larf. but since you want to be a smart ass and tell me about amazon having my de phillips bulbs for cheaper, and give me shit for not reading the date before trying to help you with the knowledge I've learned through defoliation testing, i can be a condescending little prick to you too if you'd like. so if you would have answered my "why did you do that to your leaves?" question, with, because I'm intentionally trying to destroy my yield and hope that magically my remaining top buds grow super potent i would have known you were a sub par grower and explained that that just doesn't work. also I'm sorry to say but you just can't get rid of a mite infestation in 6 days. it takes at least 9 days just saying, so hopefully you missed a couple so i can laugh at you when they come back. when you grow up and move out of your parents basement and get a real grow that you don't destroy, and get some better yields under your belt then maybe you'll be less bitchy. there. now theres a reason to reply like an asshole, you jumped the gun on the fuck you man, so now i gave you a reason for it, so now you can carry on with being a grumpy asshole to people that come on your thread trying to help ya. what the fuck happened to this site? you used to be able to talk to people about anything 24 hrs a day and people would learn from each other and experiment. now its like everybody is the best grower in the room and they have the best methods and can't take criticism for shit, or advice to save their life. toss a little rhino skin in your morning coffee bud. and yes i have tried running only top buds, twice, it was a horrible fail, destroyed all profit, the buds were bigger but not substantially enough to make up for the butchering by far, and if you had some time in you'd have figured that out by now. thats called experience. one day you'll stop throwin all your money in the trash. all you have to do to realize this is not trim one of the plants in the room except the couple smaller lower branches and grow it next to the others. you'll see the difference and that your losing a third or more of your yield. so carry on god of growing, you know best, ill just let the pros work.
 
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