Cigarette Smokers....you can really screw up your grow.

Status
Not open for further replies.
ayr0n

ayr0n

Well-Known Member
"TMV is known as one of the most stable viruses. It has a very wide survival range. As long as the surrounding temperature remains below approximately 40 degrees Celsius, TMV can sustain its stable form."

With butane's theoretical maximum temperature being 1970c and a typical bic lighter being measured to produce closer to 1100c, the temp of a lit cigarette on the cherry ranging from 400-580c while not taking a hit and 700c while taking a hit, I'd assume you're not gonna spread TMV to your plants by puffing on a Newport lol.

http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae1.cfm

How's that for "half assed"?
 
Sativied

Sativied

Well-Known Member
lilroach said:
While I feel High Times magazine is about as credible as Wikipedia, they do talk about pot being infected with TMV.
Click to expand...
Information is as credible as the author, not the publisher.

lilroach said:
There HAS to be some documentation that say pot is not affected as many of you have based your opinions on something solid.
Click to expand...
In an ideal world where "pot" was as much researched as any legal crop I would actually agree with that.


Most people as young children appear to have a “commonsense” understanding of the burden of proof. When young people hear a claim being made and it is, in their minds and experience, an extraordinary claim being made, quite often the response is one of asking for something to support the claim. The most common retorts are along the line of “Prove it”, “What makes you say that”, “Show me” or something like “Oh, yeah?”. Somewhere along the way too many humans lose that sense and too often suspend their inclination to accept the principles underlying the “Burden of Proof”. Going a bit further it is to be noted that not all people care to be considered as being rational or reasonable or willing to use their intellect as best as possible but for any person who cares at all about being rational and using reason then operating with the "Burden of Proof" rule of reason:

You cannot claim that "miracles exist unless someone proves that they do not exist."

You cannot claim that "souls exist unless someone proves that they do not exist."

You cannot claim that "angels exist unless someone proves that they do not exist."

You cannot claim that "TMV in cannabis exist unless someone proves that they do not exist."
 
Capt. Stickyfingers

Capt. Stickyfingers

Well-Known Member
lilroach

lilroach

Well-Known Member
ayr0n said:
"TMV is known as one of the most stable viruses. It has a very wide survival range. As long as the surrounding temperature remains below approximately 40 degrees Celsius, TMV can sustain its stable form."

With butane's theoretical maximum temperature being 1970c and a typical bic lighter being measured to produce closer to 1100c, the temp of a lit cigarette on the cherry ranging from 400-580c while not taking a hit and 700c while taking a hit, I'd assume you're not gonna spread TMV to your plants by puffing on a Newport lol.

http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae1.cfm

How's that for "half assed"?
Click to expand...

Seriously.....TMV is passed on from handling not smoke.....that wasn't even half-assed.
 
Bugeye

Bugeye

Well-Known Member
Capt. Stickyfingers said:
What I have looks identical to a mosaic virus and it indeed spreads through inoculation, like sam said. Which could be a case of using the same blade to take cuts, or bugs that go from plant to plant feeding. I can't tell you what kind of virus it is. What I can tell you with 100% certainty; it is not broad mites, deficiency, or some imaginary bullshit. It's real and it spreads.
Click to expand...
Fascinating. Were those my plants and I was so confident it wasn't broad mites, I'd have them tested in a real lab. Then I'd post here.
 
Sativied

Sativied

Well-Known Member
lilroach said:
I really want to be wrong about this.
Click to expand...
We can all agree on that :) And even more reason to have it tested, will be a worry less for yourself. Else you're going to freak out with every deficiency that's not easily identified.

How do the roots look?
 
lilroach

lilroach

Well-Known Member
Sativied said:
We can all agree on that :) And even more reason to have it tested, will be a worry less for yourself. Else you're going to freak out with every deficiency that's not easily identified.

How do the roots look?
Click to expand...
The first two plants that got hit I did check the roots and they were normal.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

Well-Known Member
lilroach said:
Prove me wrong then.
Click to expand...
Aw come on! TMV/SUNN HEMP again?????

1: What makes High Times an expert on growing? Shit, Danny Danko (their growing "expert") still says to final flush...wah??

2: I have covered this topic to many times,,but here's a brief synopsis: I (and other LONG term growing "friends") have over the years sent hundreds of MM samples to Michigan State University for testing to find if they have been infected with ANY Mosaic Virus.
Never has one single test come back positive for Mosaic Virus!

3: NONE of the pictures of your plants even LOOK like TMV or any other Mosaic!

4: Sunn Hemp is a bean!

5: MV spreads quickly and effects yields/flowering of veggie's,,,,it is also systemic! That means kiddies that it is in the whole plant and not one area or another. You can't simply cut away a spot and it be gone!!!

6: I have had the mottled 2 tone look before,,,,It did not spread, it did not lower yields and, has been tested like I said above,,,more times then I or MSU would like to count! NOT MV....

7: Please take the time to search other threads on this topic. Put my screen name in the search for more in depth answers.

8: You should still quit smoking tobacco.....

9: Washing your hands before working in your grow should be an everyday thing!
 
Last edited:
Nizza

Nizza

Well-Known Member
when i notice things getting weird in the grow room, I start off with a dosage of neem oil. I also mix in some type of surfacant such as soap or silica solution, depending what I have in stock.
The way you apply it is very crucial.At the end of the day cycle, water the plants. then take the plants out one by one, spray under all the leaves and then on top of them all, and group them out side of the room.
Next, I will vacuum and bleach down everything, even inside of extension cord sockets (i dry them then plug em back in ). every crevice should be cleaned. I now let it air out.
now i put the plants back in and do a final misting. I make sure some of the spray goes through the intake and exhaust to be sure that i 100% everything, I throw away any trash nearby and clean outside of the room. I then mist some neem around the entrance to the grow.
This is repeated in a week or two, with a product called "captain jack's deadbug brew"
this is the main point I want to bring up. I know you are potentially fighting some sort of virus, but if it's a bug, the two treatments here will definitely mess them up!
The deadbug brew contains a bacteria called Spinosad. The Spinosad was found on a carribean island in an abandoned rum distillery, and it seems every time i use this stuff , All my problems go away. This product is systemic almost like the neem and will screw up the bad things.
spinosad comes 1-2 weeks after the neem, and then i'll do one more application
don't be afraid to let a little drip into the soil, as this may also be killing soil dwelling insects or larvae.

Other than insects my only other problem in soil growing was pH issues, which was solved by planting in a big enough pot and getting a mix that buffers the pH correctly.

if it might help, I live in a dirty ass house with 2 smokers and my plants are normal
 
justugh

justugh

Well-Known Member
it is because the stoma in the plant gets clogged from the tars and other things

1 always filter the intake air (lvl 10 filter will clear out smoke virus mold and a bunch of other things)

it is that simple ..........if u are pulling inside air u do have a higher lvl of CO2 but u also have a higher mold count smoking on top of that is horrible for the plants it is like the windshield of the car (smokers take a finger and drawl a line on windshield ) that is what gets on the plants and clogs crap ....it takes alot over time
 
Capt. Stickyfingers

Capt. Stickyfingers

Well-Known Member
Dr. Who said:
Aw come on! TMV/SUNN HEMP again?????

1: What makes High Times an expert on growing? Shit, Danny Danko (their growing "expert") still says to final flush...wah??

2: I have covered this topic to many times,,but here's a brief synopsis: I (and other LONG term growing "friends") have over the years sent hundreds of MM samples to Michigan State University for testing to find if they have been infected with ANY Mosaic Virus.
Never has one single test come back positive for Mosaic Virus!

3: NONE of the pictures of your plants even LOOK like TMV or any other Mosaic!

4: Sunn Hemp is a bean!

5: MV spreads quickly and effects yields/flowering of veggie's,,,,it is also systemic! That means kiddies that it is in the whole plant and not one area or another. You can't simply cut away a spot and it be gone!!!

6: I have had the mottled 2 tone look before,,,,It did not spread, it did not lower yields and, has been tested like I said above,,,more times then I or MSU would like to count! NOT MV....

7: Please take the time to search other threads on this topic. Put my screen name in the search for more in depth answers.

8: You should still quit smoking tobacco.....

9: Washing your hands before working in your grow should be an everyday thing!
Click to expand...
Kiddies, huh? Where's any of your proof? Where's any of your grows for that matter? Are you another chuck estevez with a big mouth and doo doo plants? Who said you cut away a spot and it's gone? What makes you the "go to" guy on the subject? Sam the skunkman says it exists, ojd from connoisser says the same, as does raskal, and others whom I trust the word over some Dr Who on rollitup of all places. Not only that, I've experienced it myself and watched it spread.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top