how much longer till my girls finish the seedlings stage?

Heygurlll

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are you using a filter ? Humidifier vs carbon filter can sometimes make them not last very long ?

I find the best way in increase humidity is to simply plant more plants :)
i have indoor flower beds im growing from seed in the poorly lit areas. But even with 2 1'*1'*6" flowerbeds and 14 pot plants just starting veg, my space only gets to 35-40% rh when its 50% outside. stupid winter. but now that humidities dialed in, its 40F right now outside with 50%rh, and 73-76F with 60-65%humidity in my room. Feels like im in florida or some shit.
Anyways I agree 100% if you mean adding vegging plants in a tent for more rh.
Also you bring up a good point with the filter. Personally I''d do something ghetto to fix it like making a cotton-ball humidity catch somehow.
 

desolation88

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I dont have a carbon filter in my veg space only flower, and I rather just biy the humidifier because I dont have the space or luxury of running more plants.

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THE KONASSURE

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cool man

I was going to say if smell is a problem and you don`t mind a bit of uv you can chuck a cheap uvc bulb in your extract that scrubs a fair bit of smell but make sure you don`t stare at it...
 

desolation88

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lol wouldn't do that. got the humidifier hooked up and it has been running for an hr n a half and the rh is now 50% ish, so I feel my plants oughtta begin to flourish instead of seeming stunted, and stuck where they are

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TheChemist77

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thats true strain wise. i think your environments is just way wack though. maybe light distance is to far (or close if HID's) combined with low rh? saying one seed or even 10 from one room is a fine example of how the strain is is ridiculous. no strains are that slow given female friendly conditions. you know ~7500 lumens per plant min during veg, 10000+ lumens per plant in flower. perfect temp will fall within 67-84F so start at 72-75F with 50-70%h
Your plants are slow like underlit cardboard box + tinfoil stealth cfl grows. Speed doesn't really matter till flower, but damn one month, first set... you growing in straight clay (will slow to same speed) or something dumb like that. The first set of leaves for any (healthy) specimen of cannabis should show from day 1-5 and be well into starting its second true set by day 7. 5 finger leaves at least starting by day 14. happens with EVERY seed ive tried.
i usualy get 8 out of 10 females from seed, conditions are perfect under a 400 mh,,the seeds im talking about must be old or somthing as said usually my seeds are mature and ready to clone in a month.. but these nl5 seeds popped overnight and wher up in a day but took a month to get its first true leaves,they dont look normal either i think i got mutated or bad seeds from bcsc..normally my seeds are mature at a month but i usually top m and wait till 2 months just to have that genetic age for my future clones...
is it true, that u know a plant has reached its genetic maturaty when it shows gender under 18/6-24/0?? i only ask cause i heard this and left a seed mom in veg for 3 months till i was running out of room and she still had no sign of gender until 12 days into 12/12 sced..
 

Heygurlll

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i usualy get 8 out of 10 females from seed, conditions are perfect under a 400 mh,,the seeds im talking about must be old or somthing as said usually my seeds are mature and ready to clone in a month.. but these nl5 seeds popped overnight and wher up in a day but took a month to get its first true leaves,they dont look normal either i think i got mutated or bad seeds from bcsc..normally my seeds are mature at a month but i usually top m and wait till 2 months just to have that genetic age for my future clones...
is it true, that u know a plant has reached its genetic maturaty when it shows gender under 18/6-24/0?? i only ask cause i heard this and left a seed mom in veg for 3 months till i was running out of room and she still had no sign of gender until 12 days into 12/12 sced..
ive heard that, but had the same issue once. I mean they preflower outside by 3 months 99% guaranteed....
i think it has to do with genetics whether they'll show as cannabis is naturally a long nights mild tropics type plant. wikipedia lol...

i guess that could be the case, but properly stored/(or wild seed that is very lucky) grow fine after 5+ years. A plant can germ and grow rather healthy after 20-30 years. I have a friend who last season grew "stabilized" seeds from his last grow in 78' or 79' he cant remember. he also had a seed (he said he has ~50 left somewhere) from 69' but it turned out male. he got 8/14 males though which is not bad for old seeds.
what are you growing in, ph meter calibrated, things like that??
 

a senile fungus

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ive heard that, but had the same issue once. I mean they preflower outside by 3 months 99% guaranteed....
i think it has to do with genetics whether they'll show as cannabis is naturally a long nights mild tropics type plant. wikipedia lol...

i guess that could be the case, but properly stored/(or wild seed that is very lucky) grow fine after 5+ years. A plant can germ and grow rather healthy after 20-30 years. I have a friend who last season grew "stabilized" seeds from his last grow in 78' or 79' he cant remember. he also had a seed (he said he has ~50 left somewhere) from 69' but it turned out male. he got 8/14 males though which is not bad for old seeds.
what are you growing in, ph meter calibrated, things like that??

Should have kept those males and made some crosses...
 

Heygurlll

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Should have kept those males and made some crosses...
they were ~12-16 ft tall sativas. he didnt notice the males till the pollen sacs were "large". he said it was maybe 2 weeks before he noticed, and they were all in a small clearing by his house. oh and straight in the ground. well anyways his coke can nugs are filled with tiger striped seeds. but hes happy because he spent $15 on them and only ~14 man hours total to complete the grow.

thing is, i guess theres a chance it was the neighbors who pollinated the girls. i guess the neighbor sucks at growing and lets his plants sit unattended to for weeks. If i were to go on about it, the timeframe would fit..

whatever it is,its from at least some good genetics on the mom side. hopefully if it was mixed with the neighbors males, then the seeds may be lucky and be similar to mom but budrot resistant. I guess my friend lost a lb+ overnight to budrot. about 1/3 the 2l soda bottle sized chollas. guess he bred em for a drier climate...
 

TheChemist77

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if not how do u know for sure ur seed mom is mature?? or is it just a rule 1 month minimum veg and 2 months definitely mature date?
ive heard that, but had the same issue once. I mean they preflower outside by 3 months 99% guaranteed....
i think it has to do with genetics whether they'll show as cannabis is naturally a long nights mild tropics type plant. wikipedia lol...

i guess that could be the case, but properly stored/(or wild seed that is very lucky) grow fine after 5+ years. A plant can germ and grow rather healthy after 20-30 years. I have a friend who last season grew "stabilized" seeds from his last grow in 78' or 79' he cant remember. he also had a seed (he said he has ~50 left somewhere) from 69' but it turned out male. he got 8/14 males though which is not bad for old seeds.
what are you growing in, ph meter calibrated, things like that??
i grow in 3.75 inch rockwool in net pots, in a top drip dwc system mostly but my mothers are in 4 inch rockwool flood n drain. ph is always between 5.5-5.8 never lower or higher, temps in winter are 72 at canopy and in summer 78 at canopy room temp is always 65-70. i use gh maxi series grow n bloom, mad farmers nutrient up take solution, and koolbloom powder last 2 weeks of flower and super b+ in veg. i use a clone king 36 site for clones and a 100% success rate w/ it..my grow room has 2 400 watt mh and t5's over the cloner all at 20/4 or 18/6 when i have seed mothers growing..my bloom room is 2 600 watt hps with a 250 watt cfl 6500k just to add some blue spectrum over a 4'x6' area. 6 5 foot long 4'' pvc tubes each with 5b holes for a 30 plant total, a 50 galon res that pushes the nutes up into one end of each 5 ft tube that drains back into a very airated res, water flow is about an inch to an inch and a half deep that recirculates constantly.. all lights have inline fans to push heat out roof and the room has intakes and exaughst that replace the entire rooms air in 3 minutes flat, durring summer heat i use air condition insted of intakes..my room temps and humidity are all controlled flawlessly!
 

Heygurlll

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if not how do u know for sure ur seed mom is mature?? or is it just a rule 1 month minimum veg and 2 months definitely mature date?

i grow in 3.75 inch rockwool in net pots, in a top drip dwc system mostly but my mothers are in 4 inch rockwool flood n drain. ph is always between 5.5-5.8 never lower or higher, temps in winter are 72 at canopy and in summer 78 at canopy room temp is always 65-70. i use gh maxi series grow n bloom, mad farmers nutrient up take solution, and koolbloom powder last 2 weeks of flower and super b+ in veg. i use a clone king 36 site for clones and a 100% success rate w/ it..my grow room has 2 400 watt mh and t5's over the cloner all at 20/4 or 18/6 when i have seed mothers growing..my bloom room is 2 600 watt hps with a 250 watt cfl 6500k just to add some blue spectrum over a 4'x6' area. 6 5 foot long 4'' pvc tubes each with 5b holes for a 30 plant total, a 50 galon res that pushes the nutes up into one end of each 5 ft tube that drains back into a very airated res, water flow is about an inch to an inch and a half deep that recirculates constantly.. all lights have inline fans to push heat out roof and the room has intakes and exaughst that replace the entire rooms air in 3 minutes flat, durring summer heat i use air condition insted of intakes..my room temps and humidity are all controlled flawlessly!
grower error wise (just possibilities) the only things i can think that would do that are maybe the rockwool was too moist for the strain, or more likely in this case was too much light too early on, burning leaves or again more likely roots... idk... you may be right on with bad seeds.

as for maturity, 5-8 is generally there but if the strain likes long seasons outdoors, 10-14 weeks is not unheard of. its pretty rare though.

It should mature faster from seed if you follow my kind of schedule as flowering is caused by the buildup of the plants hormones that are produced at night. notice how its normally 5-12 days before it starts flowering when switched from 18/6 to 12/12. the more mature the quicker the switch also points toward this.
i start seeds under a t5 in perlited soil.
i use the following light cycles to speed up maturation, slightly increase stretch if i want to mainline or have a set height im aiming for ie scrog screen, and to save power.

seeds start on 15/9. i used 5 oz cups this run that i cut to increase air pruning. you use your methods but use just the t5's till day 14 then switch to just the mh for 2 weeks, then combine spectrum on day 28-35.

day 14 i switch to 14/10 to increase chances of female https://cannabisgrowing.wordpress.com/2012/09/06/top-7-tips-to-grow-more-female-plants-from-standard-cannabis-seeds/. by now all seedlings have left 5-10 oz cup for ~3.75 quarts of soil. in your case, this is now mh only time.

day 28 if im rushing the plants, i switch to 12/12, if im vegging for a monster, i switch to 15/9 or 16/8. now is okay to add all the lights, esp in dwc.

day 35 if vegging add another 1-2 hours. keep light cycle on 16-18 hours and should show maturity 1-2 weeks sooner during veg. if flowering, preflowers should be showing soon if not already.
 
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desolation88

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alrighty himidifer ran all night last night, kept humidity at 40-50%, not the most ideal but better then 25% and lower.

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TheChemist77

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grower error wise (just possibilities) the only things i can think that would do that are maybe the rockwool was too moist for the strain, or more likely in this case was too much light too early on, burning leaves or again more likely roots... idk... you may be right on with bad seeds.

as for maturity, 5-8 is generally there but if the strain likes long seasons outdoors, 10-14 weeks is not unheard of. its pretty rare though.

It should mature faster from seed if you follow my kind of schedule as flowering is caused by the buildup of the plants hormones that are produced at night. notice how its normally 5-12 days before it starts flowering when switched from 18/6 to 12/12. the more mature the quicker the switch also points toward this.
i start seeds under a t5 in perlited soil.
i use the following light cycles to speed up maturation, slightly increase stretch if i want to mainline or have a set height im aiming for ie scrog screen, and to save power.

seeds start on 15/9. i used 5 oz cups this run that i cut to increase air pruning. you use your methods but use just the t5's till day 14 then switch to just the mh for 2 weeks, then combine spectrum on day 28-35.

day 14 i switch to 14/10 to increase chances of female https://cannabisgrowing.wordpress.com/2012/09/06/top-7-tips-to-grow-more-female-plants-from-standard-cannabis-seeds/. by now all seedlings have left 5-10 oz cup for ~3.75 quarts of soil. in your case, this is now mh only time.

day 28 if im rushing the plants, i switch to 12/12, if im vegging for a monster, i switch to 15/9 or 16/8. now is okay to add all the lights, esp in dwc.

day 35 if vegging add another 1-2 hours. keep light cycle on 16-18 hours and should show maturity 1-2 weeks sooner during veg. if flowering, preflowers should be showing soon if not already.

good tech, ill try it out on my next seed moms, these nl5's are so far along under mh, no burning or anything, if anything they are to far from the light, about 2 ft below, ill raise them to the height of the other plants and hand water them as theyll be well above the flood n drain table, all other plants are about 1 to 1and1/2 ft tall. and only 1 ft below the light and they r looking good..thanks for the help and input,,im going with the bad seed theory..
my veg room is full, clones have root but nowere to put them as my bloom room is down as i rebuild my system and plants to get trimmed and dryed..i have 30 plants topped and trained ready to go into bloom, lots to get done and need it done quickly! once new system is up, it should run smoothly, no more root cloggs and so on..
 

desolation88

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so I got the humidity up but now im curious, should I start giving these gals a very light nute solution? im asking because they do seem a bit off green, figure they may need it now

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desolation88

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other thing I got on my mind is I thing my exhaust fan is defeating the purpose of me running the humidifier because the air is exhausted out of the room the tent is in

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desolation88

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because im worried that if I go buy a larger humidifier I will cause mold where the airs being exhausted to

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so I got the humidity up but now im curious, should I start giving these gals a very light nute solution? im asking because they do seem a bit off green, figure they may need it now

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If you do use nutes (which I don't think you need this early) I would do an eighth strength. They are young and just starting to develop, new growth just forming is usually much lighter green at first and darkens up as it ages. Over the next week or so IMO.

other thing I got on my mind is I thing my exhaust fan is defeating the purpose of me running the humidifier because the air is exhausted out of the room the tent is in

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You may be wasting some moisture, but you've got a pretty decent humidity so it's doing a decent job. If you closed the exhaust with the humidifier on, humidity will increase, but with lack of air flow, you give mold an amazing environment.

because im worried that if I go buy a larger humidifier I will cause mold where the airs being exhausted to

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Like I said, you have a decent humidity therefor I personally don't see the need for one. And I think you are right that you would most likely increase chances of mold. You could use a humidity dome and a spray water bottle to increase humidity with those starts to increase humidity. Just open the dome one to a few times a day until they grow a node or two. Totally your call on everything, always fun to experiment.
 

desolation88

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yeah, I was just being impatient. .. told my wife and she laughed at me and told me I did this last run, so I finally just sat back and it finally started workin on its second node on each one. and for the humidity, I decided to leave it be where its at, because I dont want mold in my grow room or out of it.

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bigsteve

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When seeds first go into dirt the plants uses most all of it's energy growing out the roots. Most growth will be underground until the roots reach the inside of the pot. When the roots hit a dead end the rootball is established and vegging starts. Hint - roots grow out at the same speed the fan leaves grow. Means that when the largest fans reach the pot rim you can figure the roots have also. Then you will see the inch-a-day growth that marks veg mode.

Good luck, BigSteve.
 

TheChemist77

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When seeds first go into dirt the plants uses most all of it's energy growing out the roots. Most growth will be underground until the roots reach the inside of the pot. When the roots hit a dead end the rootball is established and vegging starts. Hint - roots grow out at the same speed the fan leaves grow. Means that when the largest fans reach the pot rim you can figure the roots have also. Then you will see the inch-a-day growth that marks veg mode.

Good luck, BigSteve.
maybe u can help me? if a seed uses its energy w/ roots, what about a seed that popped overnight, put in rockwool and by the next day the seed had fell off and the round leaves were up,,,fast forward a month,, perfect conditions being babied, its just started to produce its second pair of true leaves and maybe an inch tall.. bad seeds? genetic mutation? normally at a month old my seed moms are allready big enough to clone, but i usually wait for a month n a half or 2 for genetic maturity...any thoughts..the seed by the way is a reg bcsc nl#5 2 seeds both over a month old and just getting second set of leaves ive never had such slow growth before even with pure, or true breeds as these are..
 

bigsteve

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"maybe u can help me?"

I think so. What we are really talking about here is pot size and transplanting. The bigger the pot the seedling goes into, the longer it takes to get to real vegging. I put new seedlings into solo cups until the plants are taller than the height of the solo cup. Takes about 2 weeks. Then they go into a 7-inch pot that is 3/4 gallon and usually get topped or FIM'd at this point. When they reach 12 inches or so they go into their final pot, somewhere between 1 1/2 to 3 gallon pots.

Your problem is that you likely skipped the first couple transplantings and put the seedling directly into a large pot. That's why it is taking so long to see above ground growth. In smaller pots the roots will "bottom out" much quicker and start vegging. By transplanting 2 or 3 times you take advantage of the fact that the roots have to be established before much growth is seen. Next time try TP'ing early and often.

Good luck, BigSteve.
 
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