MMPR Grow op: Small Scale
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Also there's lots of talk about small scale but no one has yet to clarify what exactly they consider to be small scale. My small scale operation is approx. 20,000sf. there are LP's now that are a mere 12,500sf. So I do believe very much so that an operation of this size is not only feasible but also commercially viable. But yes for all those home growers that thought they could have a 100 plant operation are sadly mistaken. But that seemed obvious to me from the start. In my eyes HC treats it the same way I do. I wouldn't go buy my tylenol from the guy down the street who makes it in his basement. That can be applied to all narcotics. And consider MM is one, I don't see why it should be treated any differently. For those preaching that's it's just plant and it hasn't ever killed anyone, they clearly don't understand the consequences that mould and other crop issues can bring about. I for one support the tight regulations and its simply a process of seeding out the men from the boys. HC has actually been far more thorough then I expected in their guidance documents, but it takes a legal mind combined with relevant experience and exposure to be able to properly apply the regulations, guidelines, and directives.
WHATFG
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And why shouldn't someone with 100 plants be allowed to grow? Because they can't come up to the ridiculous standards the government has put in place? Or the gobs of money needed? I would rather buy from some small farmer than a big company and it is just a plant...we have seen the quality mold that these already lps have sent to patients as medicine. Please pull your head out of your ass.
leaffan
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....you forgot to mention the massive ego that's also apparently required.
The Hippy
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Thank goodness you've come along to sort this whole thing out for us. Cause nobodies getting any weed now or for the last 2000 years either that was any good....duh. Remember, grows in a ditch covered in shit...and pretty good too.
Sorry brother but at this point your not needed. Maybe if it goes legal you can jump aboard. But if you think your gonna control how folks get pot along with a few other LP's, well, your gonna get an eye opener. This plant has a way of circumventing those who want to empower it. It has been fighting people such as yourself any time someone tries to wrangle it. Sounds crazy, but you'll see.
You seem smart, pick any other thing to count on. But not cannabis.
It's the people plant, belongs to you and to me. So why do I need you ? Think out that. And if your counting on folks being jailed so you can profit, you will see resistance the like you have never imagined. Sorry but this is the truth and the way it is. Look around, do you see anything changing. If anything, more people don't need anyone else to acquire MJ than any other time before. The trend is to personnel growing, not buying from big companies. And that even if it is legal. IMO
If it goes legal, forget all I said and I apologize in advance
westcoast420
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Wow where to start with this clown. Dkane sounds just like someone who works for HC and has never grown a plant in his life. "I wouldn't buy my Tylenol on the street" sounds just like a HC worker or pig. Mold and crop issues.. again sounds like a pig. People have been growing in every environment on earth for hundreds of years and there are still no known illnesses or sicknesses related to smoking some "bad" weed. Im sure because your a "lawyer" that will make all the difference and your application will be instantly credible and approved. I love it when someone pipes up who thinks there way will work because no one else has done it like this. Keep dreaming bud. But by all means, invest all the money you can into the Blackhole called LP approval.
It's hard to make out what direction your rant is trying to take considering it is so convoluted. Overall it seems as though you lack a basic understanding of legal process and your personal opinions seem to be getting the better of you. I smell a bitter boy who tried and didn't succeed and like every other person who quits, they think you should do the same. You've been a troller pretty much this entire thread so I'll tke what you say with a grain of salt, or a brick, whichever. Control how people get pot? Not being needed? counting on focus being jailed? all things I made no reference to and also can't see how you are making connections to. My opinion of the general industry is that we are in a similar situation as we were with booze in the prohibition days. Legalization is only a matter of time. Ideally it will occur in the next 10 years. There are well respected opinions that anticipate sooner, but I'm not one to count on it. But I am curious about this need theme you seem to have running in your mouth fart of a rant. You seem to emphasis it quite a bit. In a budding industry there will always be a need for new business to help create competition enhanced overall quality and reduce prices. You seem a little hard headed to say the least, and definitely a hater but I'd be willing to indulge your elaboration on the topic if you so care to.
The only ego I can see is the one's of people who are so sure of themselves that things are impossible because they couldn't accomplish it themselves. Fact of the matters is a lot of the people who made up a lot of this thread (the infamous wannabe LP's) are simply not quality and lack the entrepreneurial no how to start any business, never mind a highly regulated pharmaceutical laboratory for which the guidelines on it are only in their infancy. So you may simply be confusing egocentrism with confidence. And yes I'll agree that a fair bit of the latter is required. But no more then any person who has worked a commission only job would need. But ultimately I guessed I reached out to this thread to find any people that are still believers. Because it's those that after the storm settles so to speak tht are stil in it, that will survive. And they will be the ones who have thick enough skin for an endeavour of the nature and magnitude. So thank you for screen yourself out of those potential people. But in future posts, You hating does much for nothing.
redi jedi
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Sorry bud...you got it all wrong. Your far from the first legal mind to "apply the regulations, guidelines and directives". I would say all the operating LP's are full of legal minds and lacking anyone with the mind to produce a quality product.
He forgets..... he needs patients....not the other way round
There are dreams and then goals that are set out and planned for and there is a big difference in between the two first and foremost. Secondly an education in a relevant field while not making all the difference in the world as you so easily presumed will most certainly be of benefit. And no pig here just a person who acknowledges that rules need to be followed in order to render a successful application. To many times throughout this thread have I heard of people trying to read an interpretation of guidelines that suited them rather than HC. This is a game of compliance and throughout my journey in this I plan to ensure that I can fulfill that to the best of my ability. Now on no known sicknesses. Yes you are right but this does not mean that there aren't any. A lack of research can not positively prove something. Cuz if we used that line of reasoning it would be just as easy to say that god exist because no evidence to the contrary exists. Though I am a firm believer in the fact that MM is virtually harmless there are still element that we both don't understand an may be having effects that we have not yet had the opportunity to either recognize or isolate. Now I don't think my plan is some super special thing as you are trying to insinuate that I implied it. But I will say the opposite. It's not so much that mine is great first and foremost but from what I've seen here in this thread, others are shit. So when I hear 1000 apps no ones getting in, but then scroll through here and find at leeast a 100 bums that sent in an app and clearly enevr had a chance, I'm reassured that the right people can be successful. So while this may be harder, extremely so, that alone doesn't deter me and it's comforting in knowing that people like you are quitter. In the end we can't all be leaders, pioneers, savants... not to say I'm any of those specifically but I definitely can say with confidence that i have more perseverance then most, the financial and legal background to be able to succeed, and most importantly I have the patience and can afford the time. So while I won't be making regular posts to keep people updated about my application process ill make sure to send you an I told you so in a few years time if you are still around.
I have almost a decade of growing experience so I don't know why you think I lack the ability to produce a quality product. And no one is saying I'm the first, nor will I be the last. But it is simply false to say that by virtue of that alone I don't stand a chance. And I wouldn't say that all LP are legally oriented nor would I say that they all lack the ability to produce a quality product. This market at least for the next little while will be an oligopoly of sorts, and those big players have made attempts at mass scaling in order to account for that and have failed for the most part. But it is wrong to say that they lack the experience to produce a good product. IMO most growers , I'm assuming you pride yourself as a quality grower would not be able to run a say 50-100sf facility. Cooking for 100 is not the same as cooking for your girlfriend. Also in some cases I wouldn't say its the product itself that is rendered poor by virtue of grower skill, it is in large part due to the directive surround post testing and the standard MM is being held to. Standards will develop internal over time and there is no timeline on such things but they are inevitable. To say they aren't is to call upon the legal system itself and its effectiveness. But to the average man well the government seems not to work at all, but anyone with a degree in politics or law will tell you otherwise.
thanks for the wished luck but this isn't a game of craps. But in all fairness I haven't got things down 100% and never claimed to. But considering you've run your course here and don't seem to be serving the purpose of this thread anymore, maybe it isn't for me to get up and carry on with my plans but for you to and stop stifling the process and dialogue that is sought here in this thread.Get at er Mr!
Times a wasting..
Good luck.
The Hippy
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Holy blah blah blah...Hey I'm not gonna argue with ya....you dump all your time and money into your LP fantasies fella. If you didn't get my message the first time your surely not gonna the second time.
Do ya even smoke weed ? Are you a patient ? Have you ever grown weed ? Do you have any pot in your house right now ? Do you hang around and party with folks who smoke everyday. Well if you answer yes to any of those you got some credibility, but if you answer no to more than one...you just don't have a clue into this world beyond your ambitions of grandeur as anybody in the weed business.
So do you smoke pot everyday...yes or no ?
And by the way the term " hater " is over. Only tools still use it as most smart folks realized it is more a reflection than an observation.
Anyway your gonna be real popular round here let me tell ya...hope your skin is ....thick
Do ya even smoke weed ? Are you a patient ? Have you ever grown weed ? Do you have any pot in your house right now ? Do you hang around and party with folks who smoke everyday. Well if you answer yes to any of those you got some credibility, but if you answer no to more than one...you just don't have a clue into this world beyond your ambitions of grandeur as anybody in the weed business.
So do you smoke pot everyday...yes or no ?
And by the way the term " hater " is over. Only tools still use it as most smart folks realized it is more a reflection than an observation.
Anyway your gonna be real popular round here let me tell ya...hope your skin is ....thick
The Hippy
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opps....and PS.....I hope you don't mind the term " Greed Bag " as it's our favorite names for assholes who like making money off the sick.
Your just on the wrong site...but feel free to tell us how it should be...laugh....you Laywers sure must be lonely.
Are you even 30 yet ?
Your just on the wrong site...but feel free to tell us how it should be...laugh....you Laywers sure must be lonely.
Are you even 30 yet ?
Firs 20,000sf and say approx less then 1k plants is most definitely a small farm. But why want 100 plants work, well a bunch of reason one of them being the Cost of testing each and every single batch. at 100 plants it wouldn't be commercially viable at all. Now while the testing that is put in place today is stringent it is a fair starting point considering the overall public opinion and stigma attached to MM. It will relax as specific standards are developed that will be able to more appropriately and effectively address the sui generis nature of MM as a herbal medicine and natural health product as it relates to GMP and GVP. Especially at a commercial level it can't be wrong to say that every batch of a drug or any health product for that matter should be tested. We test all our food but for years people have been growing apples in their backyards. The same goes for MM. Especially considering that commercialization brings on a plethora of new problems in for the most experienced small scale grower. This regs are made to stop the big corps taking advantage and just making crap weed and getting away with it. Once our little guys find a away to consistently meet the demands set out by HC we will find ourselves in a different market. Though any insight into the future of this industry is for the most part speculative so it's hard to successfully argue either side. Though what we can say is that HC did infact design the MMPR to allow the opportunity for smaller business' to play a role. How small is more so a matter of perspective then what is fair. 20,000sf to run a commercial agri-pharmaceutical company is damn small, be sure of it. Especially when your product is a Narcotic. I'm not saying I agree with its status as such, but while it is such I intend to treat it as such. This isn't burger king you can't have it your way, no matter how much you huff puff pant and pout