MarijeJane
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I have to agree with you! You really need some horsepower in lawyers, board of directors, financing, expansion plans etc. to get any traction.
How To Become a LP: a MMPR thread
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leaffan
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I think a lot can be learned if you take a close look at all the LPs....who are they, where did they come from etc.
MarijeJane
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I agree with you Leaf! It is very interesting to see who gets there, certainly horsepower is needed. An interesting note is that there are a few groups out there that have high profile people on their board and they are still not moving along quickly. I do enjoy following the progress of the "ready to build" letter holders.
leaffan
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Yes, there are some high powered (no pun intended) teams that haven't been approved...why?
My guess is that the "connection" or inside track that they have isn't as strong as what it appears.
It really is a good process to go through, examining each LP, who they are where they came from who they know.
I do know that even having a relative who is a sitting Conservative MP wasn't enough for one group.
leaffan
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Wow...thanks. You learn something new every day. He is a very interesting person. What's the company that got the licence called?
redi jedi
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Dont know...its in Uxbridge.
I can talk about LP's all day long. Up until they try and tell me what they do is better for me and I should take what they produce and I should suck it up because it's supposed to be better for me than what I can do for myself.
Hippy's right.
It's not a plant anyone should be able to control. Specially when it comes to helping people.
This Government idea of making money off of the sick only to make it appear as they are not legalizing it.
It's too late for that. It's already legal. Anyone including Grandma can order online...
The Feds just have to figure it out...
I guess it will take the courts to stuff their feet up their ass sides ways, a few times, before they realize it.
redi jedi
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Maybe one of those not licensed to sell yet?
ya... I love the idea that they can produce.... and market..but they can't sell it.
WTF are they supposed to do with all that shwag? It's kinda funny really. Some poor sap sitting on a couple hundred tons of shwag.
Not meds mind you... Specially after sitting around for a year..or more... Perishable shit it be and it started off as shwag...
WTF are they supposed to do with all that shwag? It's kinda funny really. Some poor sap sitting on a couple hundred tons of shwag.
Not meds mind you... Specially after sitting around for a year..or more... Perishable shit it be and it started off as shwag...
itsmehigh
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I'm still in the race, sorta. Was denied because of too many houses within 500m, so we got another property 10 min down the road, zero houses within 1km. Back to the drawing board, hopefully it doesn't take another 7 months for HC to respond to us, same application just a different address. For the meantime I am working for a 400 light wanna be awaiting for a post build inspection, that's still operating under the MMAR.
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cannadan
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shouldn't Health Canada, by now have a pre-completed application...for smaller growers...for which they put a price tag
on it...then fill out the paperwork...then send you your grow licence in the mail,you sign it and voila....
I'm mean If I wanted to have a company that is an LP...and produces quality medication...
but only has say one customer....me....
They could put a pre inspection price tag on what it takes to be an LP...so show me how much it costs to get a two
thousand watt, three strain operation, producing high quality meds, off the ground...
How hard would ...something such as that be ....for all those thinking minds...at HC...
on it...then fill out the paperwork...then send you your grow licence in the mail,you sign it and voila....
I'm mean If I wanted to have a company that is an LP...and produces quality medication...
but only has say one customer....me....
They could put a pre inspection price tag on what it takes to be an LP...so show me how much it costs to get a two
thousand watt, three strain operation, producing high quality meds, off the ground...
How hard would ...something such as that be ....for all those thinking minds...at HC...
It would be 100% possible in theory and nothing prohibits such an operation accept for common sense. One of the main reason behind HC regulations is to ensure a consistent product no matter who the user is. In their eyes if HC were to allow someone to produce medicine who lacked the ability to do such and they then hurt themselves on account of taking that medicine they could be found liable. The biggest issue (very arguably) is that of testing the final product as ultimately it speaks to the quality of the product. You can run a 2k watt operation as long as you are willing to pay the costs of testing. Seeing as most test will run you anywhere from 1500-5000$ plus up to a pound of product, a 2k watt option isn't really viable at all. Though if you choose to pursue it, it would technically be fine. HC has increased the threshold in order to slow people who are trying to do just that. You don't see anyone making tylenol in there home for personal use, cuz most would call that crazy, and until research can back marijuana (not just common sense and experience) it will be treated the same. Anyone who can wrap there head around why Marijuana from a legal standpoint is currently deemed a narcotic will find it alot easier to grasp why not only smaller operation are not viable but also why there are such strenuous conditions.
To be specific about how much ti cost to run a 2k watt system under the MMPR. Well assuming you have a place to grow already. You'd then need to renovate to come in line with GMP guidelines and security guidelines set out in MMPR (in a very general sense). That alone can cost who knows how much based on what your current situation is and what the cost of retrofitting/renovation would cost. After that, if you have the experience required to ensure quality, which is extensive (im sure you already know). then you are looking at simply installing a vault and testing every single batch. You're overhead on every single batch excluding lights equipments nutes or actual plant matter will be around 10k. This will include but not limited to, testing, packaging, labelling, staffing, and security costs. At the end of the day this regulation was designed for commercial entities to act as the impetus for a new 'budding' marketplace. It is only the beginning and the trend is moving towards less stringent and more clear regulations once HC has figured out exactly what they are trying to achieve and its impact. Like any legal process, it is lengthy. For some reason people feel that because they have personal experience with something (and many many people do) that the government should move at the same pace. The fact of the matter is that in order to maintain the integrity of the rule of law things require due process no matter how blatant and obvious they may sometimes appear to be. We are in a day and age of prohibition. Go back to the 20's and replace alcohol with marijuana and the past will be able to tell you the future of this industry. Though it is a process. Getting in on the ground floor and being a player in the game before those changes occur will be the difference. It's way all the big player in the industry are making anticipatory moves and while most turn a loss it is the future that they are concerned with. there is already enough motivation from commercial entities and government alike that suggest that we will see MM be recreationalized conservatively within the next 10-15 years. There are too many big players already for this new system not to work. My guess is that MMAR patients will be grandfathered as other in relation to MM's history in canada and the states have demonstrated. Today in Canada and America we have MM patients that are grandfathered into older regulation schemes. This time around will likely be no different in my opinion. Overall and to come back to you comment, in this new market a there is no such thing as a tinsy winsy pharmaceutical lab, there never has been and there never will. Adopt the perspective that MM is a pharmaceutical product and it will be easy to understand why.
Regardless it would be negligent to allow you to set your own regulation by virtue of the fact that you are your sole customer. However I dont know which regulations aside from the vault that wouldn't necessarily apply to you within this context. Could you please elaborate as to which regulations you feel are not necessary in this context. And regardless of you being the entire operation. It isn't for us to debate the law ( at least not from this position) it is only for us to follow it as prospective LP's. If however you are only supplying for yourself have you not been doing this under the MMAR for the recent past. Or is it that you decided to produce (be it for yourself only) only once the MMPR was put into force?
I am still finding it difficult to understand what you meant by pre-inspection price tag and how exactly that would pertain to this situation. could you elaborate on that as well. Also the speak of quality medication in the governments eyes means there are assurances in place. This may be a simply weed to grow, but so are tomatoes and tomatoes are held up to very high standards along with any other food product available in Canada. Also this is a medicine and in order to insure quality assurance measures must be implemented used and constantly improved upon, they are a living document in nature. So while you may feel you can produce quality medication how can you go about scientifically proving that. And quality does just go to the end product it goes to the whole process. Think of free range eggs. While you can't tell the difference in quality for the most part people are concerned about condition in which things are manufactured. I find it very hard to understand why we should treat MM any differently. It isn't asking much to be able to stipulate how and why your product is necessarily quality. Ive seen many buds this site that look quality, but it is no more quality then the next unless it can be proven. We can't create laws around something that doesn't have structure and an implemented, definable and working system. The MMPR regulation have truly opened the flood gates to researchers and the advanced in general of MM. It is a great cornerstone for MM and it is a pity that most fail to realize and still believe they are the best on the block by virtue of experience. Have we lost our appreciation and recognition for science and its application? How many pro-growers who ever one would attest to on this site actually have botanical or biochemical educations. Sadly not many. It may be an easy plant to grow with few side effects but left to the masses it CAN be dangerous. Example: people who have weakened immune systems are more likely to be affected by mould spores. If joe shmow were allowed to run a commercial op without such regulations what would be the outcome. So first teps are ensuring quality through already implemented regiments. this is not a time to create sui generis regulations to meet the demands of marijuana, it would disturb the law far too much. although it would be fair to ask for actual growing experience it wouldnt make sense. They work on the assumption that applicants weren't previously criminal s and as such the moajority having little experience with the MMAR will necessarily lack said experience. So until the industry has time to gain experience itself HC will rely solely on categorizing MM within other areas of the law until it can gather enough intel to create its own scheme
WHATFG
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I wasn't going to post in here but after reading what you posted above I just can't let this go without saying something...you keep saying think of it as a pharmaceutical blah blah...what pharmaceutical company do you know of that is allowed to experiment on patients? Why should patients have to bear the growing pains of this over regulated industry? These lps should have been able to hit the ground running and provide what was needed. Instead patients have received sub par medicine at a premium price. I don't get what you don't get. What other prescription has a waiting list? Or has to be verified before it can be filled?