First serious grow! LEC 315 in a 4x4 tent (Philips elite agro CMH)

borbor

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After much money spent, and months of planning, seeds are finally planted!

I did a pretty crappy CFL grow that ended with a 400 watt HPS for the last couple of months, but other than that this is my first grow of my own. A few of my friends in real life grow though, I've been around a couple of gardens so I'm definitely not a total noob but I also can't say I can grow good (or bad) weed yet.

The setup:

4x4 Gorilla Lite Line tent

Lighting-
Sun System LEC 315- excited to be trying some new tech, the reports on gpw, and quality overall sound too good to be true. There's a few guys on here using them, all of em with great looking grows.
By the time flowering starts I might buy an additional light, either an LED light to put on the side, two 2-bulb T5 fixtures to put on both sides, or two 125 or 250 watt cfl reflectors for each side, or a 250 watt HPS/MH, possibly with an air cooled hood depending on how my temps get. I haven't decided, just something to make sure I get full coverage in the tent and a good spectrum.

venting & air-
can 66 carbon filter is hung in top front left corner of the tent
I'm using 6 inch ducting and a 6 inch vortex S-line fan, which says it moves 347 cfm. It uses 66 watts. It exhausts out of the top right back corner of the tent, out the window. I'm using passive intake right now, though I have another 6 inch centrifugal fan in the closet collecting dust
I have one air king 6" two speed clip on fan in a corner of the tent to circulate air, I'm going to add an oscillating fan soon. uses 15 watts.

medium-
starting the seeds out in rockwool with water PH'd to about 6, maybe a bit below that, under a humidity dome, with the light pretty close, temp inside the dome right now is 83.
I've found a soil called batch 64 moonshine, I think it's pretty much formulated especially for cannabis. Just starting out, so it's not like I can really fuck up too much on this choice.
Will be planting the seedlings into one gallon smart pots at the beginning, at about 5 weeks I plan on moving them to 5 gallon smart pots for flower.
The exception to that will be if these autoflowers germinate, they'll be going into 5 gallon pots right away.


Genetics in the tent now:
2 G13 labs midnight kush (fem)
1 hortilab seeds starbud (fem)
1 world of seeds brazil amazonia (reg)
1 TGA seeds querkle (reg)
1 Top Tao seeds Micron Auto Tao (autoflower) (reg)
1 Dinafem Seeds Blue Kush autoflower (fem)
1 Humbolt seeds 707 truthband by emeral mountain (fem)
1 Elemental seeds mango tango (reg)




feel free to comment, advice welcomed!IMAG0299.jpg
 

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dbkick

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Hello.
That light wont disappoint.
Running two on a rail with a couple of tightly packed and same color spectrum Rapid led onyx bloom in the middle.
So are you running the 3100k lamp in veg?
 
borbor

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yep! any reason not to? I was told it would be a great all purpose lamp, somebody here on riu even told me the 4200k bulb was useless, I doubt that, but what's up?
 
dbkick

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More blue is needed in veg but im sure the 3100k will be fine.
I use onyx veg led which is 6500k to veg personally. If I had one lamp to choose for both veg and flower it would probably be the 4200k . I intend to buy one to compare or supplement the 6500k onyx IF I ever need to.
 
borbor

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Wow, just did some googling and I'm kinda shocked I missed it in the first place. I'll probably give that a go next round but yeah, this round I'll just be using this bulb, in addition to any supplemental lighting I may buy
 
GroErr

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Subbed borbor, glad to see you're up and running and with the LEC, nice! I think the 3100k may be a little shy on blues for veg too, the 4200 is available and a quick bulb change if you can find one cheap. I haven't tried the 4200k for veg + flower but the 4200k spectrum would probably be fine if you didn't want to switch bulbs. Not a bad thing to have a spare bulb available just in case one blows, if you buy the 4200k both bulbs will last longer and you'll have a spare around... Cheers!
 
borbor

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Thanks guys! I think in a couple weeks I'll purchase myself an area 51 rw-75.

For now though, YIPEEEE!!!! Only 32 hours after the seeds hit the rockwool (with no pre-germination paper towel thing or anything), peeking into the rockwool I can see that at the very least the 707 truthband and one of the midnight kush has germinated!
I feel like it's worth mentioning, out of the two midnight kush seeds, the one that was smaller, paler, and generally looked less likely to germinate is actually the first one!
 
borbor

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I caved and bought the 4200k bulb, looks good!

Querkle, the second midnight kush, and starbud have cracked their seeds!

I've kept a hygrometer inside the dome, temp has been staying between 88 and 95, humidity hangs out around 70% in there. I've been opening and misting occasionally

edit: brazil amazonia seed cracked, I'm excited to watch this one grow since her genetics are gonna be wildly different than anything in the tent
 
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JimmyIndica

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borbor said:
Thanks guys! I think in a couple weeks I'll purchase myself an area 51 rw-75.

For now though, YIPEEEE!!!! Only 32 hours after the seeds hit the rockwool (with no pre-germination paper towel thing or anything), peeking into the rockwool I can see that at the very least the 707 truthband and one of the midnight kush has germinated!
I feel like it's worth mentioning, out of the two midnight kush seeds, the one that was smaller, paler, and generally looked less likely to germinate is actually the first one!
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I bought me 2 RW 150 yesterday! Apache Tech #1 -:joint: Area51 # 2
 
borbor

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Whoohooo! It begins!
most of em are pushing the surface. The three that are up and sprouted are, from left to right, midnight kush, 707 truthband, and querkle.
 

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JimmyIndica

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borbor said:
Whoohooo! It begins!
most of em are pushing the surface. The three that are up and sprouted are, from left to right, midnight kush, 707 truthband, and querkle.
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U like the rockwool? I have never used it before. I be watchin. I use coco/perlite and it will be the last time. DWC undercurrent for me in the future.
 
borbor

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JimmyIndica said:
U like the rockwool? I have never used it before. I be watchin. I use coco/perlite and it will be the last time. DWC undercurrent for me in the future.
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Yeah my friends and I have always used it for germination. At least one of them I know doesn't PH his water and they still pop up fine. I like it a lot better than the wet paper towel thing, I think there's less potential for mold and mildew than paper towels, and there's no touching delicate seedlings with my filthy fingers.

edit- tried those peat pellets before, always had much better survival rates in rockwool, I think because it's not so compact
 
JimmyIndica

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borbor said:
Yeah my friends and I have always used it for germination. At least one of them I know doesn't PH his water and they still pop up fine. I like it a lot better than the wet paper towel thing, I think there's less potential for mold and mildew than paper towels, and there's no touching delicate seedlings with my filthy fingers.

edit- tried those peat pellets before, always had much better survival rates in rockwool, I think because it's not so compact
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Yeah I had bad exp with those peet pellets and lost a bunch. I am runnin coco/perlite. Growth is good but the prep and mess from the bricks. I don't know if its worth it. I been lookin at the undercurrent system for awhile. Most likely go with that! I know if I went coco again it would be 3 gallon pots. Flood n Drain with the wool as always interested me though?
 
borbor

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JimmyIndica said:
I hope en that mango is female for ya! I wanna see it bud? Its supposed to be a killer! and good breeder I hear?TrueOg x (tangiexpeaches)
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It's the only one that hasn't sprouted, and I can't really see it well in the cube :( sucks, I almost never get to sample any mango buds.


Just got home from work, will definitely be potting the others tomorrow (about 18 hours from now). Been a bit risky working 13-15 hour shifts and hoping the humidity is staying right. I keep getting home just in time I think, tomorrow's a half day and then it's my actual weekend, so after that I should be kind of out of the woods as far as temp/humidity.
 
borbor

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woke up early enough to go to the hydro store and get more pots and transplant, then got off work early!

I put the autoflowers in 5 gallon pots since I won't be transplanting them again. However, I ran out of soil on the last one, so it's really just about 3 1/2- 4 gallons, but that one is "micron auto tao" from top tao seeds. This was the freebie I cared the least about, Not able to find much info on this strain or breeder, and it's an autoflower. I'm a little more excited for the blue kush auto, at least I've heard the dinafem name for years, which I know isn't fair to top tao or any of the lesser-known brands, but as the end consumer, I gotta rationalize this shit somehow. Also, I get to try some iteration of blue kush, even if it's less potent because of the ruderalis trait.

I opened the rockwool with the "mango tango" from elemental seeds and it had cracked, though it seemed like it might have hit a wall really quickly, the root was out, but still almost curled around half of the seed. I put it in the same pot as the top tao auto, if it sprouts I'll transplant it, but I really don't care, I'd almost rather it not sprout, I have enough work already.

It's such a pain in the ass to put water out a day early, I went to the store yesterday and got some distilled water, picked up some General Organics CaMg+ at the hydro store while I was getting those pots. I've got a question for anybody and everybody now: Is it okay to PH my water in advance? I've found that PHing my water is very difficult, probably because I've been PHing a half gallon at a time maximum. And does that change when I'm adding nutrients?
When I got the CaMg+ I saw some stuff from canna nutrients called canna start. I bought it because I'm a goon, and used it today, but I only used about a third, maybe half the recommended amount. It says it's a "one part nutrient for seedlings and (rooted) cuttings. For use on peat based seed mixes, rockwool, and peat plugs"


Light schedule for the first few days was actually 24/0, then just about 12 hours ago they got 10:45-1:30 (2.75 hours) darkness, I think today I'll up that to 4 hours and let it stay at 20/4 for a few days before 18/6.

The pictures at this point are superfluous, everybody knows what seedlings look like.
One of em, though, the first midnight kush to sprout, which for this journal and the rest of my life I will call "midnight kush #1" has a weird indent on both of the "true leaves" (by that I mean the ones that are not cotyledons), the indent is almost like the leaves are canoeing, but they certainly aren't. I hope it's a rare mutation or something, because sometimes I like things that are different for the sake of being different
 

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