ounevinsmoke
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This is your original post... I made the biggest assumption about what you are comparing hydroponics to.
I apologize.
so what are you comparing Hydroponics to?
Is hydroponics better for the environment? I think it is.
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I apologize.
so what are you comparing Hydroponics to?
churchhaze
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Being synthetic tells you very little about a chemical. Whether a chemical is synthetic or not is probably the most superficial detail about the chemical.
Being "a chemical" in general tells you even less. You'd be hard pressed to find anything that's not made of chemicals.
There's a whole branch of science dedicated to this subject called Chemistry. It's often called the central science. You should probably learn chemistry before freaking out about anything with chemicals in it.
Synthetic urea is the same thing as regular urea. Nitrifying bacteria do not discriminate. They don't know whether it was man made or not, only you do.
Being "a chemical" in general tells you even less. You'd be hard pressed to find anything that's not made of chemicals.
There's a whole branch of science dedicated to this subject called Chemistry. It's often called the central science. You should probably learn chemistry before freaking out about anything with chemicals in it.
Synthetic urea is the same thing as regular urea. Nitrifying bacteria do not discriminate. They don't know whether it was man made or not, only you do.
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churchhaze
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Synthetic urea is also a lot different than nitrate salts, which are used in hydroponics. Synthetic urea is used in fields without hydroponics, but in pure hydro, the N is supposed to be derived from mostly nitrates.
To lump nitrate salts and urea into the same category just because they're both synthetic is ignorant.
Making general statements like "synthetic chemicals kill bacteria and fungus" or "synthetic chemicals will give you cancer" is just absurd, and ignorant.
To lump nitrate salts and urea into the same category just because they're both synthetic is ignorant.
Making general statements like "synthetic chemicals kill bacteria and fungus" or "synthetic chemicals will give you cancer" is just absurd, and ignorant.
churchhaze
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The thing about population growth is that it's not sustainable. So we'll have 9B? Then will we have 11B then 16B population?
We should be looking into weapons systems and have some wars so we can get our population down some! lol
No, I'm sure the solution is to infect other planets too!! Then we'll have 16B on earth, and 5B on mars!
We should be looking into weapons systems and have some wars so we can get our population down some! lol
No, I'm sure the solution is to infect other planets too!! Then we'll have 16B on earth, and 5B on mars!
kogislife420
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Just going to put my 2 cents in, outdoor growing is alot better then hydroponics because you use seasol and have no problems with insects
You can harvest alot more from an outdoor grow because you have the sun, Ive seen bigger harvests outdoors on one plant using nothing but there own cattle shit and creek soil cost nothing but they came out alot better then they went in, organics is nothing bad about organic fertilizer, outdoors is free or can cost up to under 70 dollars it could be free if you have good soil already, JUST MY OPINION CARRY ON c:
kogislife420
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I thought it would be easy to grow plants indorors because you can control the weather
harris hawk
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Yes you are right ; but there are more factors in growing indoors that one must address
resinousflowers420
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how is bones,blood and manure bad for the enviroment.these are natural substances,that break down natrually.they always have done.when a animal dies in nature,it doesnt become bad for enviroment.
Heisenberg
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Chemistry's image problem...
Aspartame Truth vs Fiction http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/aspartame-truth-vs-fiction/
Aspartame Truth vs Fiction http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/aspartame-truth-vs-fiction/
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ounevinsmoke
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Too bias of an article to take serious. To assume their is no evidence or studies is just blinding the reader.
Milovan
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Don't hydro liquid neuts have very high #'s like 55 - 40 - 40 or higher and are these
chemicals?
Soil liquid neut #'s are very low.
st0wandgrow
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I am in the process of putting together a soil that consists of: leaf mold from my backyard, worm castings made from kitchen scraps, rock dusts from a local quarry, dandelions, nettle, comfrey, and horsetail all from my back yard.... and I will re-use this same soil over and over again.
I challenge anyone growing hydroponically to show me a recipe/method of theirs that has less of an environmental impact than that...
I challenge anyone growing hydroponically to show me a recipe/method of theirs that has less of an environmental impact than that...
bluntmassa1
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Hell no them bastards put low amounts of nutes so they can sell more bottles its all about money in the hydro nute game.
Heisenberg
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The article reflects the scientific consensus. You realize that science designs tests which let reality be the judge? That means, the only one who could be biased is mother nature herself, because she is the one giving us the results.
https://whatdoesthesciencesay.wordpress.com/aspartame/
Aspartame is one of those substances science-deniers like to demonize, and as a result there is a lot of misinformation out there. Denialist groups know how to push the public's buttons. It's your responsibility to teach yourself to recognize when your buttons are being pushed. If you think the article is biased, then you should have more evidence than the fact that it disagrees with what you already believe. Please point out the flaws in methodology, statistical analysis, ect. Otherwise you're just giving in to cognitive dissonance.
https://theconversation.com/i-bet-its-biased-one-easy-step-to-squash-expert-opinions-14945
st0wandgrow
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Who said anything about livestock, or any animal waste/bi products? I don't use any. Plant and mineral based inputs only (unless you consider worm castings and animal bi product).
I suppose as long as humans insist on eating meat it's not a bad practice to use the bi products though
ounevinsmoke
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lol, ok... Your attempts to discredit me as not being educated about chemistry have been noted....
urea is not being fed to Hydroponic plants. Your fighting for miracle grow here which is pretty shitty when it comes to MJ. Some have good experience with it, but personally it has too many disadvantages and I've seen many others have numerous problems with it.
I know plenty about chemistry. I know that when you attempt to create a specific chemical or isolate a specific compound for mass reproduction you leave out other things that are usually paired with it. For whatever reason these other substances that are "naturally" in a relationship with these substances serve a purpose and do not respond correctly in nature when the relationship is not present.
Attacking my personal character here is pointless. There are synthetic chemicals that have been proven to cause cancer. Science has proven this many times over. Look it up for your self. The only ignorant thing about it is you choose not to look into it for yourself.
churchhaze
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I'm not attacking your personal character. I'm sure you're a great person, but I do think you should brush up on your molecular chemistry.
Milovan
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It's not just the taste factor. It's also smoother and the high lasts longer then hydro no shit.
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churchhaze
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Be more specific. Which byproduct is found when you create which chemical?
Which byproducts are found in yara brand calcium nitrate?
In general, the reason there's byproducts is that nature has byproducts to begin with. Earth/soil is where we mined all the harmful stuff from. Where do you think harmful chemicals come from? All heavy metals, for example, come from the earth.
Heisenberg
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Saying someone is ignorant or unqualified is not an attack on character. In fact, its one of the few times ad hominems are relevant. I'm not sure if you know much about chemistry or not, but you do seem to be forgetting one of the most basic tenants of chemistry - the dose makes the poison.
"Radishes contain a substance that can cause goiters, oranges contain a toxin that could potentially cause birth defects, carrots contain the hallucinogen myristicin; there is practically no food that doesn't contain some chemical that could harm people in large doses." - Harriet Hall M.D.