Would you support universal basic income if it meant eliminating all other social safety net progs?

[Red1966]

A UBI of $1,500/month ($18,000/year) to every American citizen, regardless of age, from birth to death & the elimination of all other social safety net programs

Support/oppose? Why?

Still looking for a free ride? Tell us more about how we owe you a living.

 

[Red1966]

hell yes!

because denmark!

Another welfare queen looking to be first in line for a handout.

 

[god1]

What's difficult to understand about this pretty basic concept? Everyone is guaranteed an income whether they work or not and it's cheaper to provide than the current social safety net programs we use. Win/win

It's clear you haven't thought out the "fundamental" implementation stuff;

What I'm curious about is what you believe the motivation for such a program would be, ie, what problems would it solve and exactly how does it do that?

Once you're through listing those, play devils advocate and list the potential social problems that it would create; all the down side stuff. Clearly some of the obvious issues must jump out at you?

 

[oldtimer54]

In a perfect world it would be great if everyone worked and was paid a wage that allowed them to live in a nice home in an area free of crime with nice schools .......but this is America Land of the Free home of the Broken !

 

[Harrekin]

I'd not work and just do under the table jobs for additional income.

Kinda like Buck does now to be honest.

If you've a slut of a system (like UBI) I'm gonna lash it OUT OF IT like everyone else would he guaranteed.

Let me see if I get it right, even the rich would get this?

 

[Harrekin]

What's difficult to understand about this pretty basic concept? Everyone is guaranteed an income whether they work or not and it's cheaper to provide than the current social safety net programs we use. Win/win

Cheaper to provide?

You're gonna have to cite quantative data for that.

 

[sheskunk]

What's difficult to understand about this pretty basic concept? Everyone is guaranteed an income whether they work or not and it's cheaper to provide than the current social safety net programs we use. Win/win

So I'll ask you, ... Where would this money come from?

 

[spandy]

How cheap would it be to tell free loaders to fuck off and die?

If they have a problem with it, depending on how much wow factor you want to give the neighbors, you could fix this problem for about 25+/- cents each, and the procedure is permanent.

 

[schuylaar]

Now you're starting to use your brain. What happens when everything is done by robotics, and I mean everything.

fortunately, everything cannot be.

 

[WeedFreak78]

Rather than guaranteeing everyone a paycheck, why not lessen the financial burden of taxes and govt. regulation, which would free up more income. Use corporate tax increases to make up the difference.

 

[schuylaar]

Rather than guaranteeing everyone a paycheck, why not lessen the financial burden of taxes and govt. regulation, which would free up more income. Use corporate tax increases to make up the difference.

the GOPers would be forced to re-distribute

denmark has a version of UBI which is one reason it is thought they are so happy:

 

[WeedFreak78]

Now you're starting to use your brain. What happens when everything is done by robotics, and I mean everything.

Well the prospect of automation/robotics was supposed to free people from day to day work and allow us more time for recreation/art/education. It would mean an almost total restructure of society as we know it. We have the technology to automate most processes with minimal human workforce but it will never happen because keeping people in a work-to-survive life is a means of control.

 

[WeedFreak78]

the GOPers would be forced to re-distribute

i never understood this..they manipulate law to their advantage in order to hold a larger portion of the countries financial assets, usually by taking from the people on the lowest levels of the social spectrum. Yet when those same people on the bottom of the ladder start to bitch about being gamed by the system they become moochers and lazy slugs who don't want to earn a living..that's not the case at all, we just want to keep what we rightfully earned.

 

[schuylaar]

Rather than guaranteeing everyone a paycheck, why not lessen the financial burden of taxes and govt. regulation, which would free up more income. Use corporate tax increases to make up the difference.

which is the way it should be but isn't because of politics and the money therein.

until being a representative of the people truly is, it isn't.

 

[schuylaar]

i never understood this..they manipulate law to their advantage in order to hold a larger portion of the countries financial assets, usually by taking from the people on the lowest levels of the social spectrum. Yet when those same people on the bottom of the ladder start to bitch about being gamed by the system they become moochers and lazy slugs who don't want to earn a living..that's not the case at all, we just want to keep what we rightfully earned.

why do you think they're freaking out? it's our money they just gamed us out of..which now becomes their money.

god forbid we should have a real tax code.

elizabeth warren called it.

 

[spandy]

Now you're starting to use your brain. What happens when everything is done by robotics, and I mean everything.

People have to be busy to some extent, or their minds wander.

Imagine if everyone just had the time and dime to fuck their neighbors over that day. Too many would.

 

[WeedFreak78]

I wish someone like her or Bernie Sanders would come forward, but without any party affiliations...

 

[spandy]

UBI wouldn't come without some regulations, things that would prevent loopholes like your example from being exploited

What about dem criminals? Do we use the standard "no felons allowed" on this?

Would you ever have to try to get a job? Or is this a no matter what pay check?

Do I get to keep my doctor?

 

[WeedFreak78]

People have to be busy to some extent, or their minds wander.

Imagine if everyone just had the time and dime to fuck their neighbors over that day. Too many would.

So we promote art and education. Granted, there will be a large amount of people living the lazy life, but it will also free up the lives of the future Teslas/Einstins/Beethovens,etc to pursue their dreams and add to our knowledge and culture.

 

[Rob Roy]

What's difficult to understand about this pretty basic concept? Everyone is guaranteed an income whether they work or not and it's cheaper to provide than the current social safety net programs we use. Win/win

Where is the motivation for a person to work in your plan ? If everybody is on the deck dancing, who is rowing the boat?

If you are in situation with your friends and every time you get together, one person contributes nothing ,but consumes heavily, are you okay with that?

What are we having for dinner tonight and why haven't you folded my laundry yet?