Help with Soil Mix ???

Dave017

Dave017

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Hi guys here is the mix I am going to use is there any other minerals I'm missing out on with this recipe would u consider adding any thing else? Looking to go outdoor and only water when I have to no nutes or teas if possible it's a long walk to the site.

6 parts pro mix BX
2 parts EWC/Compost
2 parts perlite (leaving out perlite)

Fish bone meal @ 2 tbsp. per gal
Alfalfa meal @ 2 tbsp. per gal
Kelp meal @ 2 tbsp. per gal
D. Lime @ 2 tbsp. per gal
Neem meal @ 4 tbsp. per gal
Glacial Rock Dust @ 1tbsp. per gal

he recipe also suggest using liquid karma at 1 tbsp. per gal of water before you "Cook" it . I have a bottle of GO's Diamond Black could I just use this instead? They suggest using 5 -10 ml of DB per gal of water should I cut this in 1/2 or even down to a 1/4 or use it at full strength? Thanks :)
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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Dave017 said:
Hi guys here is the mix I am going to use is there any other minerals I'm missing out on with this recipe would u consider adding any thing else? Looking to go outdoor and only water when I have to no nutes or teas if possible it's a long walk to the site.

6 parts pro mix BX
2 parts EWC/Compost
2 parts perlite (leaving out perlite)

Fish bone meal @ 2 tbsp. per gal
Alfalfa meal @ 2 tbsp. per gal
Kelp meal @ 2 tbsp. per gal
D. Lime @ 2 tbsp. per gal
Neem meal @ 4 tbsp. per gal
Glacial Rock Dust @ 1tbsp. per gal

he recipe also suggest using liquid karma at 1 tbsp. per gal of water before you "Cook" it . I have a bottle of GO's Diamond Black could I just use this instead? They suggest using 5 -10 ml of DB per gal of water should I cut this in 1/2 or even down to a 1/4 or use it at full strength? Thanks :)
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Ok, so this will take some converting as I'm used to measurements in cups per cubic foot....

There is roughly 7 gallons in a cubic foot, and 16 tablespoons in a cup. You want to aim for about 2 cups per cubic foot of meals, and 3-4 cups per cf of minerals.

So, if my math is correct your recipe above is calling for 5 cups per cf of meals, and 1 cup per cf of minerals. That's a little off IMO. I would cut the meals in half. IOW, 1 tbsp of kelp meal, alfalfa meal, fish bone meal, and 2 tbsp neem seed meal per gallon. I would then jack up your glacial rock dust to 3-4 tbsp per gallon of soil at least. I also think you're adding too much lime. I would cut that in half.

Also, if you can increase the % of EWC/compost that you have in your base it would be beneficial as well. Depending on the type of native soil that you are going to be planting in you could incorporate some of that as well and that will likely contain beneficial indigenous microbes which will be helpful.

That's what I would consider. Best of luck
 
Dave017

Dave017

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Thanks that clears some things up
so now its. Per Gal
1 tbsp. kelp meal, fish bone. alfalfa meal
2 tbsp. neem meal
Dlime 1 tbsp.
and G rock dust 4 tbsp.

6 parts pro mix BX
should I go with 3 or 4 parts EWC/Compost? Thanks

Also will the Diamond Black suffice to replace the Liquid Karma?
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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Dave017 said:
Thanks that clears some things up
so now its. Per Gal
1 tbsp. kelp meal, fish bone. alfalfa meal
2 tbsp. neem meal
Dlime 1 tbsp.
and G rock dust 4 tbsp.

6 parts pro mix BX
should I go with 3 or 4 parts EWC/Compost? Thanks

Also will the Diamond Black suffice to replace the Liquid Karma?
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I shoot for equal parts compost (or worm castings), peat moss, and aeration bits. You could go as high as 50% peat moss, then 25% compost, and 25% aeration bits. It really depends on wether you will mix in some of the native soil or not. For example, if you're working with a clay soil, it has tiny particle size and does not drain well, so you would want to use more aeration. If you're working with a loamy soil, it will drain a little better and not require as much aeration.

As for the diamond black, it's a humic acid product which is fine, but not necessary IMO. If you have quality castings/compost you will have that covered already.
 
Dave017

Dave017

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st0wandgrow said:
I shoot for equal parts compost (or worm castings), peat moss, and aeration bits. You could go as high as 50% peat moss, then 25% compost, and 25% aeration bits. It really depends on wether you will mix in some of the native soil or not. For example, if you're working with a clay soil, it has tiny particle size and does not drain well, so you would want to use more aeration. If you're working with a loamy soil, it will drain a little better and not require as much aeration.

As for the diamond black, it's a humic acid product which is fine, but not necessary IMO. If you have quality castings/compost you will have that covered already.
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awesome that's what I needed to know thanks so much. Is this a usable Fish bone meal? trying to save a bit on some things lol.
http://www.homehardware.ca/en/rec/index.htm/Outdoor-Living/Yard-Maintenance/Fertilizers/Flowers-Vegetables/Granular/1kg-6-12-0-Fish-Bone-Meal-Fertilizer/_/N-ntlijZ1r4p8f/R-I5025484
 
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May11th

May11th

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I agree w stow. I only run 1tbsp of most things in soil, if not you'll burn anything planted lol well maybe but I'm not going to try for it
 
Dave017

Dave017

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May11th said:
I agree w stow. I only run 1tbsp of most things in soil, if not you'll burn anything planted lol well maybe but I'm not going to try for it
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sounds good thanks guys any idea on the fish bone meal is it any good I posted the link in my pervious post. thanks
 
Dave017

Dave017

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I was going to switch it out but I have found some relatively cheap so I will add some but I might cut it down to 1 part because my soil tends to dry out quick in the summer sun and I would like to limit my walks carrying water in. Hopefully it rains plenty lol. (no good source of" fresh" water nearby)
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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Dave017 said:
I was going to switch it out but I have found some relatively cheap so I will add some but I might cut it down to 1 part because my soil tends to dry out quick in the summer sun and I would like to limit my walks carrying water in. Hopefully it rains plenty lol. (no good source of" fresh" water nearby)
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ahh, I see.
I would HIGHLY recommend making a soil very rich in rotten wood chunks, they act like little sponges and will greatly decrease your water trips, not to mention it works fabulous as a little microbial environment. Also works well as a soil conditioner.
Just make sure you get them from a fallen treelog that is well rotten, you should be able to crunch up the log with your bare hands.
Good shit
also what do you mean by "fresh" water?
Cannabis will LOVE even stagnant water, provided its from a pond and not a sewage source
 
Dave017

Dave017

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greasemonkeymann said:
ahh, I see.
I would HIGHLY recommend making a soil very rich in rotten wood chunks, they act like little sponges and will greatly decrease your water trips, not to mention it works fabulous as a little microbial environment. Also works well as a soil conditioner.
Just make sure you get them from a fallen treelog that is well rotten, you should be able to crunch up the log with your bare hands.
Good shit
also what do you mean by "fresh" water?
Cannabis will LOVE even stagnant water, provided its from a pond and not a sewage source
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Yes its stagnant pond water more swamp than pond lol. Just thought the ph might be off or maybe introduce some fungus or disease. But I could use it? Will go for the wood chunks for sure another good tip. thanks
 
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greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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Dave017 said:
Yes its stagnant pond water more swamp than pond lol. Just thought the ph might be off or maybe introduce some fungus or disease. But I could use it? Will go for the wood chunks for sure another good tip. thanks
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I would be willing to bet a good amount of money that the water would be totally fine, in fact you may actually be helping your microbial population, many people use pond slime to inoculate their soil.
I guess it would depend on the water though, more importantly if it's runoff from any farm, then you may have problems with ammonia, nitrates, or simply too much nitrogen.
 
Dave017

Dave017

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greasemonkeymann said:
I would be willing to bet a good amount of money that the water would be totally fine, in fact you may actually be helping your microbial population, many people use pond slime to inoculate their soil.
I guess it would depend on the water though, more importantly if it's runoff from any farm, then you may have problems with ammonia, nitrates, or simply too much nitrogen.
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nope no farms nearby its in the middle of nowhere I will prob use it then. :)
 
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