Would you support universal basic income if it meant eliminating all other social safety net progs?

[UncleBuck]

Just because a person no longer receives unemployment doesn't always mean they have a job. Unemployment benefits only get paid out for a set amount of time. Once that time lapses you get dropped. The more people that get dropped the lower the unemployment rate appears to go. It's not an accurate indication, it's a skewed number.

You already know this though.

no. just no. you are not very bright.

the unemployment number is calculated through a monthly survey of households. anyone who has looked for work in the last 30 days but who does not have a job gets counted as unemployed.

you do not know this, apparently, because you are no very bright and have a knitted foot covering over you.

 

[UncleBuck]

If incomes rise, the cost of other goods and services are likely to also. Not everything will rise in price, nor will it happen all at once, but enough prices will rise that the increase in a persons income, will quickly become moot, as his costs will rise too.

this is demonstarbly false. we can go own any good on the BLS list and compare its cost over time to minimum wage and see that you are 100% full of shit.

inb4 you describe pedophilia as consensual.

 

[Rob Roy]

no. just no. you are not very bright.

the unemployment number is calculated through a monthly survey of households. anyone who has looked for work in the last 30 days but who does not have a job gets counted as unemployed.

you do not know this, apparently, because you are no very bright and have a knitted foot covering over you.

Good job Uncle Joe.

 

[UncleBuck]

If you got $18K "for free", you would be resentful and sullen. You would stamp your indignant little foot and declare that it's not fair that your neighbor has more than you.

Welfare has never improved the life of anybody in the long run.

this is why you are quite stupid.

like a stupid person, is wont to do, you made a "for all" claim. as such, one need only point to one single counterexample to destroy your entire claim.

counterexample: ben carson

therefore your argument is no longer vbalid, and you can return to your klan chapter. perhaps you will find some stoner in federal prison to rejoice at along the way, you sick, stupid little rat.

 

[Rob Roy]

this is demonstarbly false. we can go own any good on the BLS list and compare its cost over time to minimum wage and see that you are 100% full of shit.

inb4 you describe pedophilia as consensual.

So prices never rise in response to more available income of buyers? Is that what you are saying...Really?

Let's throw in scarcity to the equation too. Scarcity can arise by government regulation creating scarcity or in a free market thru market driven demand or actual scarcity of a given product or service.

Actually don't bother responding, you're out of your league.

I'll just smoke this fattie and watch the birdfeeder...oh look we're almost out of food, those little fuckers are competing hard for it now. I bet the price of bird food amongst the birds in their little bird microcosm economy will have risen now.

 

[UncleBuck]

So prices never rise in response to more available income of buyers? Is that what you are saying...Really?

try reading for comprehension, spaMBLA.

we can go own any good on the BLS list and compare its cost over time to minimum wage and see that you are 100% full of shit.

would you like to go down the list and compare prices of goods to wages over time, and see how your statement (see below) measures up?

enough prices will rise that the increase in a persons income, will quickly become moot, as his costs will rise too.

 

[whitebb2727]

I'll hold an open mind for the sake of debate.

First I'll ask a question if I don't understand something.

How does the taxes work? If I make 30,000 on top of the 18,000 what amount am I taxed on?

The 30,000 or 12,000. Does it eliminate the tax burden on an additional 18,000?

 

[panhead]

Cheaper alternative?

Are you on mushrooms or something? Even a cursory glance suggests it's over 10X moar expensive.

Itd be five time the total cost of the recent middle east wars PER YEAR.

I highly doubt those figures , on top of your figures being plucked from thin air your leaving out the economic stimulus factor of people having money to fuel the economy .

 

[UncleBuck]

I'll hold an open mind for the sake of debate.

First I'll ask a question if I don't understand something.

How does the taxes work? If I make 30,000 on top of the 18,000 what amount am I taxed on?

The 30,000 or 12,000. Does it eliminate the tax burden on an additional 18,000?

yes.

UBI might also be referred to as the "negative income tax", which was thought up by friedman, who no one would refer to as left wing.

 

[whitebb2727]

yes.

UBI might also be referred to as the "negative income tax", which was thought up by friedman, who no one would refer to as left wing.

Shifts the tax burden to the upper classes. Hmmm. Not saying it would work but I would keep an open mind.

 

[god1]

Really? and foodstamps would still be needed why?

Consider, there are supplemental, ie, safety net, programs like ACA, SSI, Medicaid and Medicare for the elderly. These are taxpayer funded programs. The OP said that the intent of UBI was to supplant supplemental "safety net" programs.

He has no idea how that's to happen. Otherwise he would have included a detailed implementation document along with specific numerical details. The arithmetic maybe straight forward provided one has a sound understanding of the inner functioning of these programs and the beneficiaries.

This is another, "we have to pass the bill to know what's inside" deal.

It's one thing to say "idealistically" this is a cool idea, and another to have a solid feasible concept with systemic facts and arithmetic to back it up. The devil is always in the details.

Fuckin Potheads!

 

[King Arthur]

If you got $18K "for free", you would be resentful and sullen. You would stamp your indignant little foot and declare that it's not fair that your neighbor has more than you.

Welfare has never improved the life of anybody in the long run.

Never lol always cracks me up when people poison the well with words like always and never.

The proof you obviously don't have lol

 

[King Arthur]

Consider, there are supplemental, ie, safety net, programs like ACA, SSI, Medicaid and Medicare for the elderly. These are taxpayer funded programs. The OP said that the intent of UBI was to supplant supplemental "safety net" programs.

He has no idea how that's to happen. Otherwise he would have included a detailed implementation document along with specific numerical details. The arithmetic maybe straight forward provided one has a sound understanding of the inner functioning of these programs and the beneficiaries.

This is another, "we have to pass the bill to know what's inside" deal.

It's one thing to say "idealistically" this is a cool idea, and another to have a solid feasible concept with systemic facts and arithmetic to back it up. The devil is always in the details.

Fuckin Potheads!

Lol keep making me laugh bro your a complete idiot lol

 

[desert dude]

Never lol always cracks me up when people poison the well with words like always and never.

The proof you obviously don't have lol

Yeah, absolutes always come back to bite you, but hyperbole is fun!

Everybody is helped by welfare in the long run!"

Which statement is closer to true?

 

[god1]

Lol keep making me laugh bro your a complete idiot lol

I understand ... I come here for entertainment as well.

You could tell, based on the title, the dude was "trolling". I'm sure he's had some good laughs.

 

[Rob Roy]

try reading for comprehension, spaMBLA.

we can go own any good on the BLS list and compare its cost over time to minimum wage and see that you are 100% full of shit.

would you like to go down the list and compare prices of goods to wages over time, and see how your statement (see below) measures up?

enough prices will rise that the increase in a persons income, will quickly become moot, as his costs will rise too.

Sure go down a cherry picked list to prove your point that as incomes have risen prices never do.

That's why a bag of weed still costs $15 like back in the day right? I just love that .29 gasoline too. Here, have a nickel candy bar, in case you ate all the ones the badman gave you.

 

[King Arthur]

Yeah, absolutes always come back to bite you, but hyperbole is fun!

Everybody is helped by welfare in the long run!"

Which statement is closer to true?

Hard to tell, I don't have a mountain of evidence in front of me to lay down on ya.

 

[UncleBuck]

This is another, "we have to pass the bill to know what's inside" deal.

are you still quoting that cropped, out of context, fox news created line?

that's like an automatic idiot identifier.

 

[UncleBuck]

Sure go down a cherry picked list to prove your point that as incomes have risen prices never do.

no need to cherry pick, we can go down every item on the BLS list. chicken, eggs, coffee, ground chuck, milk, bread, all the basics.

prices on these items do not go up as quickly as wages do.

your talking point is demonstrably false and you should stop repeating it if you do not wish to be classified as an idiot (although admittedly, that ship has long sailed).

inb4 a rape comparison is made.

 

[see4]

Oh hello, I see you've wiped the drool from your chin and are attempting to articulate some kind of rationalization and pack of lies.

Rights to clean air don't come from government, but jail does come from government. Also, it's not "our gasoline".

Government has dumbed you down, by design. Poke away, air hump your own leg if it turns you on.

I don't support any President, it's a lie and a contradiction that there can be an oxymoronic "leader of the free world" .

A leader in a free world is a person that you admire and voluntarily follow or emulate on an individual basis of your own choosing.

A politically appointed leader holds force thru a gun, that would negate his / her claim to leading a "free world".

I like you Rob Roy, you are special, and I like special people. I used to work with retarded children in high school as part of my extra studies, which I was able to put on my application to schools. So I thank you from the bottom of my heart for being so very special.

I'm in meetings all day today, but if I can remember to respond to this, I will. Look for me to pick apart everything you just said. I like that you are so very special.