leaves twisting backwards whats wrong with this plant?

JamesWolverine

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Last thing I did was water it few hours ago the soil was pretty dry, I used regular tap water didn't ph test or anything I've used tap water like forever without testing and never had problems, what can I do to fix it?
 

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JamesWolverine

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Do u have a fan blowing on them
Yeah I just turned it on now, I don't always have it on as I have few seedlings in there which could break them (16" fan), I just turn it on occasionally during the day, I turned it on now to maybe help it or dry the soil just in case if it was from over water but I haven't watered it for almost a week now.
It was off while it happened though.
 

AimAim

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Last thing I did was water it few hours ago the soil was pretty dry, I used regular tap water didn't ph test or anything I've used tap water like forever without testing and never had problems, what can I do to fix it?
More light, and some airflow with a little fan

Let the soil get bone dry between waterings.
 

az2000

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When I've seen leaves roll over, exposing their undersides, it was the beginning of a mg def. I found a couple sites which showed pictures of the condition and they said they same thing.
 

JamesWolverine

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U can get ph test strips at ur local Pet store cheap as hell
When I've seen leaves roll over, exposing their undersides, it was the beginning of a mg def. I found a couple sites which showed pictures of the condition and they said they same thing.
More light, and some airflow with a little fan

Let the soil get bone dry between waterings.
12 Hours later, back to normal left the fan on constant, that was a little weird lol, honestly I just get the feel I want to quit growing sometimes... so stressful.
 

Uncle Ben

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1I just get the feel I want to quit growing sometimes... so stressful.
Then it's time to get back to the basics and follow them based on botany. This might help:
Uncle Ben's Gardening Tweeks

After 40 years of gardening experience, a ton of applied book learning, and a whole lot of research and personal experience I thought I'd share some pointers or tweeks. Feel free to comment. This will be a work in progress as I recall “gems” I might have inadvertently left out.

Light - Plants needs a rest. Recommend 20/4 for veg. Plants do better (produce more carbos) with less light over a longer period of time than alot of light for a shorter period of time. There is a point of light saturation where more light will work against you by bleaching out the lifeblood of the plant - chlorophyll. Learn to "read your plants" and keep those leaves healthy and green until harvest. Also, contrary to forum paradigms, in general you want to give your plants more light during veg and less during flowering, think nature. The flowering response is not the time to bleach out the leaves with high light intensities (and high P foods). Ultra low levels of N found in bloom foods will generally not support leaf health.
Temperature and the importance of day/night differential - In general, a 85/70F (32/16C) day/night temp is best for most hybrids for maximum carbo production. What's really important is a good drop in temperature at night of at least 15F/4C. If night temps are too high the plant will use up the carbos manufactured during the day to the process of respiration as opposed to plant cell division/elongation (tissue production).
Watering technique - contrary to popular belief, wet/dry cycles are NOT good, especially for organic growers. Keep the soil medium moist but not saturated to the point where air is excluded. When you water, don’t be shy. Water until there is a good runoff. The issue is not overwatering, it's watering to the point of the exclusion of air.

Fertilizers - I don’t use “cannabis specific” plant foods for many reasons. If you do, make sure you’re able to find the NPK and micro values and understand the relationship between those elements. An overage of one element over another will create an antagonistic affect, a block. For example, too much K tends to create a deficiency of N, Ca, and Mg. To me, cannabis is a weed, a flowering annual if you will, that does best with a standard 3-1-2 or 5-2-3 NPK ratio, NOT the typical 2-3-5 you see with most hydroland "grow" foods.
Foliage production - Grow for the most amount of foliage you can going into the flowering response. Maintain those leaves in a green and healthy condition up until harvest, even if it means switching fertilizer to a high N value, like a 9-3-6. Most folks get into trouble early on into the flowering cycle by going exclusively to bloom foods. Bloom foods in today's cannabis market will work against you by inducing premature leaf necrosis and micro deficiencies.

Upcanning (repotting) - Score the rootball - pop the ball out and using a razor blade or sharp knife insert it about ½" into the rootball at the top and slice thru the exposed roots from top to bottom concentrating on any root spinout at the bottom. Rotate the rootball and do this about 4 times. Bury the “trunk” as deep as you can even if it means pulling off some of the lower leafsets. This will induce root output all along the buried trunk. The use of root tip pruning products, air or chemical, will stop the spin out.

Germination etc. - A seedling needs a good start. Use an opaque container at least 6" tall and upcan to a root pruning container, one that directs roots to the outside of the pot for air pruning. This will create a fibrous root system and increase uptake efficiency greatly.

Good luck,
Uncle Ben
Plant Moisture Stress - symptoms and solutions (revised Dec. 20, 2014)

Plant Moisture Stress - symptoms and solutions (revised Dec. 20, 2014)

Quite often I hear groans from folks having leaf problems -> “Help, my leaves are cupping and the leaf edges are turning brown!”, or, “My plant's leaf tips are curling down and turning black ....what's wrong?” Unless insect damage has occurred or the plant is suffering from a severe case of calcium deficiency, the plant is trying to tell you that it is water stressed. It's hard to tell exactly what the culprit is, and unfortunately the “solution” the grower chooses many times is not the right one. A mis-diagnosis only serves to make matters worse by promoting further decline. I’ll try to cover some of the more common causes that can induce these common symptoms and try to offer a few simple solutions. The ultimate and correct solution is in the hands of the grower.

1. Over-fertilizing - the most common cause of leaf cupping aka leaf margin rolling, leaf margin burn, leaf tip curl/burn and copper colored necrotic leaf spots is the overzealous use of too much plant food in relationship to factors such as plant vigor and rate of growth. The first unit of a plant to show moisture stress is the leaf at its margins and/or tips, reflected by margin rolling (cupping) or burning. A hard, crispy feel to the leaf frequently occurs as well, as opposed to a soft and cool feel of a happy leaf. When you have a high concentration of salts in solution (or in the root medium) compared to lower salinity levels found in the plant’s tissue, water is actually drawn out of the plant across the root gradient in order to fix the PPM imbalance. IOW, this is a natural, osmotic response that serves to equalize salinity levels on both sides of the root’s epidermal gradient. Back off on the amount and/or frequency of plant food. Too much plant food can also burn the roots, especially the sensitive root tips and hairs, which then creates another set of problems such as nutrient deficiencies. A note for the bio folks - as soil dries, the concentration of the remaining salts rises further exacerbating the problem. Leach (flush) your pots with low TDS water once in a while to get rid of excess salts.

2. High Heat - the plant is losing water, transpiring, via the leaves faster than what can be replaced by the root system. The leaf responds to such stress with leaf margin cupping or rolling (up or down) in order to conserve moisture. A good example is reflected by the appearance of broad-bladed turf grass on a hot summer day, high noon, with low soil moisture levels - the leaf blade will roll in and the grass will take on a dull, greyish-green appearance. Upon sunrise when moisture levels have returned to normal the leaf blade will be flat. Lower the heat and concentrate on developing a large, robust root system by practicing sound plant culture. An efficient and effective root system will go a long way to prevent heat induced leaf dessication and leaf margin curling by supplying sufficient moisture for good plant health. One short episode of high heat is enough to permanently destroy leaf tissue and cause a general decline in the leaves affected, which often occurs to leaves found at the top of the plant located to close to HID lamps and may show as curled margins, leafsets pointing up rather than prostrate. The damaged leaf (usually) does not recover, no matter what you do. Bummer in the summer. One can only look to new growth for indications that the problem has been corrected. As an aside, one should strive for at least a 15F differential between day and night temps.
3. High Light - yes, it’s true, you can give our faves too much light. Cannabis does not receive full sun from sunrise to sunset in its natural state. It is shaded or given reduced light levels because of adjacent plant material, cloudy conditions, rain, debris and dust collection on the leaf surface, twilight periods of early morning and late afternoon, and light intensity changes caused by a change in the seasons. Too much light mainly serves to bleach out and destroy chlorophyll as opposed to causing leaf cupping, but it often goes hand-in-hand with high heat for indoor growers. Again, back off on the light and concentrate on developing/maintaining an efficient and robust root system. Keep in mind that all but equatorial material receives less light during flowering than during the vegetative stage.

4. Overwatering - this practice only serves to weaken the root system by depriving the roots of proper gas exchange. IOW, the roots are not getting enough oxygen which creates an anerobic condition causing root decline and root rot with the end result showing up as leaf stress, stunted growth, and in severe cases, death. (horrors!) A lot of times folks think the plant is not getting enough plant food (which it can't under such adverse conditions), they add more nutes for a "curative", and just add insult to injury.

5. Underwatering - not only is the plant now stressed due to a low supply of adequate moisture, but carbohydrate production has been greatly compromised (screwed up). Step up the watering frequency, and if need be, organic growers may need to soak the pot from the bottom up until moisture levels reach an even consistency throughout the medium especially with mixes that are heavy in peat. If severe, a little surfactant (1 teaspoon per gallon of liquid Ivory dish soap) added to the drench will help return the organics to a normal moisture retentive state. If the pot feels light to the lift - it’s time to water. Don’t wait until the soil pulls away from the sides of the pot or leaves droop before you water. Soil should stay moist (not wet) at all times. A wet/dry watering cycle is ill advised.

Happy gardening,
Uncle Ben
 
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