l.e.ds vs hps

Alienwidow

Alienwidow

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HydroRed said:
What is the cost to assemble "good" led's to a comparable 1000W hps? I aint knockin anyones grows, Im just stating what works really well for me. The pic I posted is at 6 wks flower, and I didnt post as a "who's dicks bigger" ,but more to let others know what can be done with cheap HPS setups. Where are the heavy led grows? I dont mean show me a video of some guy who knows a guy who has a friend. What do YOU have right now? The title of the thread is LED VS HPS right?
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Well theres a good reason why all the legal humungo grows go with hps, its just better pound for pound. When was the last time you saw a glowing purple warehouse grow?
 
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churchhaze

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The whole "when was the last time you've seen" argument makes no sense. HPS has been around forever. Of course you will see it everywhere. Why would you expect vero and cxa/cxb to already be in all the giant warehouse grows? It will be at least a few years before people even realize how much better cxb is with the level of stupidity seen in these threads.

I don't care about how frequently I see it. I care about how well it actually works. Over time, I expect to see it more frequently in large grow ops. I've been getting knockout yields with them.

You people telling me "it's not in giant warehouse grows". No shit!! I literally made the first DIY using cxb! Why would you expect it to be in warehouses? The same argument was made only one hour after I finished making the first seen cxb lamp ever. There's a lag between components being released to the market for the first time, and seeing them used conventionally.. You act like these chips have been around for thousands of years with your "it's always been like this" attitude. People said the exact same thing about using lights to grow plants indoors.
 
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churchhaze

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What's dumb is that I basically recommend 1000W DE HPS as well. The argument isn't about what you should get, it's about what's better. You're just a jealous SOB if you think a gavita is better than any cxb based DIY. It might be a better value, but it's not a better light. It doesn't come close in efficiency or umol/J.

I never talked shit about HPS. I grew with it for a long time before I switched to vero and cxb. HPS has a low startup cost and proven results, but you've gotta be kidding me if you think it can outperform my 2.4umol/J cxb build.
 
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Tim Fox

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HydroRed said:
For every 1 video I see about how awesome led is, I see 10 showing HPS trumping an led system. Just to clarify about my previous post, I had the 400W hood/ballast for 17 yrs...not the bulb. I can however show proof of my grows and what I get with HPS and have yet to see anyone personally grow anything better or heavier with led's. This is just one of 8. All bud-no scrubs. And I have a fraction of what a "good" led system cost in my hps setup. If it aint broke -dont fix it? And yes werm11 free heat lol. It may seem funny but its true. I dont have to run heaters at all when I'm in veg and only 12 hrs a day when in flower. Savings are savings no matter how you look at it. Might not be suitable for everyone else, but it works great for me.View attachment 3398748
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you know, A ballast isn't much good without the bulb attached???
 
HydroRed

HydroRed

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The bulb was attached and changed many times over that period of time. That was written in response to another post.
 
HydroRed

HydroRed

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Tim Fox said:
Side by side time lapse grow , black dog led verses 1000 watt HPS, 5 min video, kinda easy to see what happens, and yet I am a fan of the cxa3070 DIY cob builds, they out grow the 5 watt let chip lights, but still here is a grow using a 700 watt led and a 1000 watt hps, watch it if you like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=315&v=BsLRBysk1Ew
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That video told me absolutely nothing. Where was the dry weigh yield comparison? How dense were the nugs of each led and hps? What is the cost of the led? Also, hard to take someones word on something in a video who is trying to sell their shit.
 
HydroRed

HydroRed

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Tim Fox said:
or this grow, using an apache tech 600 watt led verses a 1000 watt HPS
more grams per watt out of the led side
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This is actually a good representation and I can respect the yeild. My argument at this point though is initial setup cost and longevity of a led light.
 
HydroRed

HydroRed

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Tim Fox said:
so you see many cars driving around with an LED out, and now you say you had to change your bulb many times, you just undid your argument,, lol
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I paid apprx $40 for a bulb when changed out. How much is it to change out an led when it burns up? The longevity of led appearantly isnt brag worthy if (in a vehicle at least) I can change out a bulb for $1.39 after 10+ years of daily use or pay over $100+ in most cases to replace the whole led housing after less than a year of daily use.. Also, how many guys on here have had their led for 17 years and are still using it? Why would I spend 5-6x the initial investment to get started with led to get the "same" results as hps? Again, yes many are correct when it is said there is a difference in power consumption, but that is eat up on initial investment...again for the "same" results as hps. To me it just seems like you would be jumping over dimes to get nickles?
 
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HydroRed

HydroRed

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Bottom line for me is when led comes down .....like waaaay down in initial setup cost, and has a track record of longevity comparable to my old dinosaur of an hps thats when I will switch.
 
a mongo frog

a mongo frog

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From star to finish how many man hours involved in building one of these DIY LED lamps (The good ones)?
And The parts would already be there in a perfect world.
 
HydroRed

HydroRed

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Does someone have a link for a cxb diy build? Though our opinions differ at the moment , I am always eager to learn something.
 
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patrickkawi37

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Lol at whoever said badass warehouses aren't glowing purple . That is so true. Not to mention , bad enough the thought of being raided and having your equipment smashed. I would feel a lot better if they were smashing 500 dollar hps setups than 2k plus led setups that you need twice as many of. Here's a situation no one has talked about... You have to run them so close to the plants... How many times have you hit your head on the fixtures? I couldn't even count the times that I've tried vegging with t5s end up racking my head on the fixture and 3-4 of the 8 bulbs shut off hahah.does this happen to anyone with led? I am still loling at the people saying "smoke your shitty tasting hps buds." Some growers truly have the heads up there ass'. Best part is, I bet less than half of the people arguing this topic have more than a 600 watt setup. So honestly, your opinion is worthless because you don't know your asshole from your elbow.
 
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