Teaming With Microbes......indoors

[RockinDaGanja]

I just finished reading "Teaming With Microbes" (I know I'm a little behind.) Been busy setting up my new indoor grow room.
Which leads me to my next question.
What are some ways i can apply this to indoor growing. It seems like spreading act all over your grow room could get messy. This book changed the way i look at gardening as a whole. I wanted to go into my nute storage cabinet and start dumping them down toilet one by one after the first half of the book.
Im stuck between using organics and synthetics inside juzt because I'm afraid mostly. I know my nutrient solution recipe down to a t.
I guess what I'm asking is.. Should I take everything i learned from lowdens master piece And apply as much as i can to indoors. Or should i stick to what i know indoors?

 

[green_machine_two9er]

I dumped all my bottles and never have looked back. You can do organic indoor fairly easy. Jus takes more upfront planning to get soil ready. Flowering pots to your liking. Compost tea once eveyb2-3 weeks. Jus dont try to mix org an synth. But you knew that after the great read

 

[RockinDaGanja]

Absolutely. The only bottle im keeping is my thrivealive-b1. Would i be able to add that to my teas. The green one is listed as organic. Or should i just stick with worm castings and guano?

 

[green_machine_two9er]

Every organic gardener wil find their own method. I can't speak to the thrive aliveb1 as I've never used or researched. But. The best products for living soil will be listed omri. And of course no salts and easy on chelated organic nutrients as well. If you build great soil from the start you will need very few items. I like to just to a basic tea. 1 cup Ewc. 1 tbsp molasses. 1 tbsp kelp. 1 tbsp alfalfa. Until halfway through flowe. I switch to 1 cup Ewc 1 teaspoon molasses.

If I have a hungry strain I will suppliment with fish emulsion. Big bloom by ff. ca mg by general organics.
What is your soil going to consist of??

 

[greasemonkeymann]

I just finished reading "Teaming With Microbes" (I know I'm a little behind.) Been busy setting up my new indoor grow room.
Which leads me to my next question.
What are some ways i can apply this to indoor growing. It seems like spreading act all over your grow room could get messy. This book changed the way i look at gardening as a whole. I wanted to go into my nute storage cabinet and start dumping them down toilet one by one after the first half of the book.
Im stuck between using organics and synthetics inside juzt because I'm afraid mostly. I know my nutrient solution recipe down to a t.
I guess what I'm asking is.. Should I take everything i learned from lowdens master piece And apply as much as i can to indoors. Or should i stick to what i know indoors?

the thread for the no-till is the thread you want, it goes into detail on how to apply that to indoor grows.
it's no different than outdoors, outdoors your AACT would be dwarfed by whatever BIMs are already in the ground anyways, well, unless you are outside in containers.. Which is sorta silly in my opinion...
it's not messy, an AACT doesn't stink or anything, it's sorta like "dirt-tea" if you will. Obviously more than just that, but in regards to it's appearance and characteristics

 

[RockinDaGanja]

Every organic gardener wil find their own method. I can't speak to the thrive aliveb1 as I've never used or researched. But. The best products for living soil will be listed omri. And of course no salts and easy on chelated organic nutrients as well. If you build great soil from the start you will need very few items. I like to just to a basic tea. 1 cup Ewc. 1 tbsp molasses. 1 tbsp kelp. 1 tbsp alfalfa. Until halfway through flowe. I switch to 1 cup Ewc 1 teaspoon molasses.

If I have a hungry strain I will suppliment with fish emulsion. Big bloom by ff. ca mg by general organics.
What is your soil going to consist of??

I want a quick good organic mix thats pre-inoculated (for lack of a better term) i was gonna go with an organic mix at home depot and add some happy frog, with some extra perlite, humis, a couple of different rock dusts. a layer of hydroton on the bottom. some guanos. Like i said im a former hydro guy so all this organic stuff i. New to me. Would i be better off making my own mix? I have done a couple grows in soil just not completely organic. Open to any suggestions.

 

[SCorganictroth831]

cost wise making your own mix is the better way to go and you can make some really great soils. i just source thing that i need in bulk.
i get compost from a local landscape shop for cheap and make my own on the side.
i have a worm bin. i would recommend this if you are going to convert to organics.
bulk bags of perlite vermiculite and peat moss and i use compressed coco coir.
farm stores are a good place to look for some other ingredients to use like alfalfa meal and such.
and a wetting agent. ect. feel free to ask any questions i will do my best to assist you.
glad to have one more organic grower in the world!

 

[hydroMD]

Please buy the book True Living Organics.

It has several chapters on soil mix and practices on cannabis as well as some useful info on spike and layering that will help your soil web immensely. Teaming with microbes is a good start for a base understanding of the practice.

TLO will connect the bridge between what you now know about the soil food web and what you already know about cannabis.

Here are a couple recipes for your tea.

Veg-
1 tablespoon black strap organic molasses
1 tablespoon kelp meal
1 tablespoon alfalfa meal (do not skip)
1 tablespoon dry organic all purpose fert
2 tablespoon liquid fish fert
1 teaspoon soluble kelp or seaweed

Bubble 24 hours

Then add 1 cup vermicompost
1/4 cup manure from a trusted source (needs to have been cooked)

Bubble for 24 hours.


If you compost starts bubbling immensely right away it is a sure sign you dont have enough microbes in your ingredients. It should be around the 7-10 hour mark that you we foaming.


Flower-
1 tablespoon molasses
20 drops CaMg+ (not botanicare, must be organic)
1 tablespoon of organic all purpose fert
1 tablespoon kelp meal
1 teaspoon high N bird or bat guano
1 teaspoon liquid fish fert
1/4 cup big bloom from fox farm (heard Monsanto bought fox farms so might wanna support a different company)

Bubble for 24 hours

These are 1 gallon tea recipes that need to be diluted to half strength before use (ei 2 gallons total tea)

Up the ratios for bigger batches straight across.

 

[Pattahabi]

Please buy the book True Living Organics.

It has several chapters on soil mix and practices on cannabis as well as some useful info on spike and layering that will help your soil web immensely. Teaming with microbes is a good start for a base understanding of the practice.

TLO will connect the bridge between what you now know about the soil food web and what you already know about cannabis.

Here are a couple recipes for your tea.

Veg-
1 tablespoon black strap organic molasses
1 tablespoon kelp meal
1 tablespoon alfalfa meal (do not skip)
1 tablespoon dry organic all purpose fert
2 tablespoon liquid fish fert
1 teaspoon soluble kelp or seaweed

Bubble 24 hours

Then add 1 cup vermicompost
1/4 cup manure from a trusted source (needs to have been cooked)

Bubble for 24 hours.


If you compost starts bubbling immensely right away it is a sure sign you dont have enough microbes in your ingredients. It should be around the 7-10 hour mark that you we foaming.


Flower-
1 tablespoon molasses
20 drops CaMg+ (not botanicare, must be organic)
1 tablespoon of organic all purpose fert
1 tablespoon kelp meal
1 teaspoon high N bird or bat guano
1 teaspoon liquid fish fert
1/4 cup big bloom from fox farm (heard Monsanto bought fox farms so might wanna support a different company)

Bubble for 24 hours

These are 1 gallon tea recipes that need to be diluted to half strength before use (ei 2 gallons total tea)

Up the ratios for bigger batches straight across.

Please DON'T buy the book TLO. Spikes and layering is just plain ignorant. Fox farm fertilizer, are you serious?! Calmg? Jesus man...

Shakes head....

P-

 

[anzohaze]

Please DON'T buy the book TLO. Spikes and layering is just plain ignorant. Fox farm fertilizer, are you serious?! Calmg? Jesus man...

Shakes head....

P-

God bless you lol

 

[hydroMD]

Please DON'T buy the book TLO. Spikes and layering is just plain ignorant. Fox farm fertilizer, are you serious?! Calmg? Jesus man...

Shakes head....

P-

Some info in TLO is controversial, while some of it is very pertinent. A lot of good info in there. But im sure getting all your info from random postings on forums is a far superior method of learning about the soil web than reading published literature.

 

[Pattahabi]

Some info in TLO is controversial, while some of it is very pertinent. A lot of good info in there. But im sure getting all your info from random postings on forums is a far superior method of learning about the soil web than reading published literature.

Great, how is someone supposed to know what is controversial (aka down right stupid) and what is pertinent (aka not completely false)?

Better idea, how about an actual organic gardening book?

P-

 

[greasemonkeymann]

Some info in TLO is controversial, while some of it is very pertinent. A lot of good info in there. But im sure getting all your info from random postings on forums is a far superior method of learning about the soil web than reading published literature.

Just because it's published doesn't mean anything man, go read some Rosenthal or Cervantes publishings...
Hell @zonderkop has a book i'd recommend six days a week and twice on sundays over that one.
Forums are forums... meaning it's filled with good information and NON information..
The key is to be able to decipher between the two, but in no way shape or form should you discount forums...
That would be very foolish in my mind, there is some VERY VERY good information here and on other forums.
OFF TOPIC
you guys think closing my shop at 4:00pm on 4/20 is an obvious sign to my customers that I am a pothead?
Meh... adios!
Estamos cerrados!

 

[Richard Drysift]

Dump the bottles & don't look back- I thought the TLO book had some helpful info but also agree that the zonderkop ebook contains much of the same content. Either way there's nothing mystical or even glamorous about natural growing it is just a strategy of keeping the microbiology of the soil healthy which has kept plants healthy long before the invention of 3 part nutrients.

 

[hydroMD]

Just because it's published doesn't mean anything man, go read some Rosenthal or Cervantes publishings...
Hell @zonderkop has a book i'd recommend six days a week and twice on sundays over that one.
Forums are forums... meaning it's filled with good information and NON information..
The key is to be able to decipher between the two, but in no way shape or form should you discount forums...
That would be very foolish in my mind, there is some VERY VERY good information here and on other forums.
OFF TOPIC
you guys think closing my shop at 4:00pm on 4/20 is an obvious sign to my customers that I am a pothead?
Meh... adios!
Estamos cerrados!

Sure there's good info on here, but there is more BS than good info

Most times reading published works of literature makes for much more credible info than listening to someone on there 10th ever grow tell you theor personal list of wives tales.

Not always the case but mostly

I do value a few of your personal takes on here including yours and pattahabi

 

[hydroMD]

Great, how is someone supposed to know what is controversial (aka down right stupid) and what is pertinent (aka not completely false)?

Better idea, how about an actual organic gardening book?

P-

Filtering through controversy takes a base understanding of a concept, then applying that base concept to other practices and concurring its validity. Thus why I said reading teaming with microbes first, and tlo second. The basics of tlo growing are covered pretty well in TLO... just need to watch out for advertising within for certain products as we have found out.

The sodium chloride argument is about as moot as someone starting with chlorinated water and using bubbling to evaporate it.

 

[Pattahabi]

Filtering through controversy takes a base understanding of a concept, then applying that base concept to other practices and concurring its validity. Thus why I said reading teaming with microbes first, and tlo second. The basics of tlo growing are covered pretty well in TLO... just need to watch out for advertising within for certain products as we have found out.

The sodium chloride argument is about as moot as someone starting with chlorinated water and using bubbling to evaporate it.

That's your opinion on the Rev. All of the experienced organic soil growers I know laugh if someone mentions the Rev.

If you tell me how someone can bubble sodium out of water I'll concede it is indeed a moot point. Sodium is needed in such small amounts, there is never a shortage of it. Why add more? Why use products that are hi priced, environmentally unfriendly, partially synthetic? Why spike and layer soil? This is about as brilliant as the people that pull all the fan leaves off their plants... Dude, I'm trying to get more energy to the buds!

You'd be better off searching for some of Coot/Lumperdawg's posts imo.

P-

 

[hydroMD]

Aqua

Please DON'T buy the book TLO. Spikes and layering is just plain ignorant. Fox farm fertilizer, are you serious?! Calmg? Jesus man...

Shakes head....

P-

What's funny is your so against these products but dont even know why!

Your obviously succeeding with your methods or you wouldnt have such strong convictions, but im here to tell you, scientifically speaking, its perfectly fine

 

[Pattahabi]

Aqua

What's funny is your so against these products but dont even know why!

Your obviously succeeding with your methods or you wouldnt have such strong convictions, but im here to tell you, scientifically speaking, its perfectly fine

The irony in this makes me smile.

P-

 

[hydroMD]

The irony in this makes me smile.

P-

More than one way to slice a cake.

Laugh away, proof is in the pudding bruh


Just because your happy with your results does not make every other method wrong