Day 50-no trichomes

mickey oneil

mickey oneil

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I have a Transiberian that is 50 days today. She has a ton of bud sites and is bushy as hell. She has been shooting up for about 2 weeks now and is right at 36" in height. The issue is that the bud sites aren't producing any trichs...at all...
Ph in/out good
RH ~50%
71-77*F
kind l450 @ 10" from canopy
ppms 2100 (is this too high)
in 5 gallon pot FFOF
calmag
epsom salt
rapid green
FF Tiger bloom
FF big bloom

is is there anything that can be causing this

*shes not showing any signs of deficiencies
*I did prune a bit about 1.5 wks ago.
 

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CenkTripper

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I agree with Dave, there is only "green" growth due to LEDS, you need much powerful UV lights to trigger resin production. Most of sun's power comes in the form of non-visible UV radiation. Each trichome sphere has a focal point inside where the high energy THC molecules are formed. Without UV, resin production will be minimal...
 
hyroot

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its genetics. UV will trigger more trichs. The blue wave lengths will as well. Its genetics. Looks like an old school sativa from the 70's. I have mid cbd old school sativa. That grows just like that. I have a few patients that like it because its not very strong. But helps with pain.

if there's no trichs to begin with UV wont do much.
 
mickey oneil

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The kind does have uv infused with the red and blue spe
CenkTripper said:
I agree with Dave, there is only "green" growth due to LEDS, you need much powerful UV lights to trigger resin production. Most of sun's power comes in the form of non-visible UV radiation. Each trichome sphere has a focal point inside where the high energy THC molecules are formed. Without UV, resin production will be minimal...
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Are you speaking for plants in general or for this particular strain. My hijack auto seems to be putting out a ton of resin and trichs (picture below) and is a week behind and in the same tent. The kind does in fact utilize uv along with the rest of their spectrum of blues and reds.
 

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bravedave

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hyroot said:
its genetics. UV will trigger more trichs. The blue wave lengths will as well. Its genetics. Looks like an old school sativa from the 70's. I have mid cbd old school sativa. That grows just like that. I have a few patients that like it because its not very strong. But helps with pain.

if there's no trichs to begin with UV wont do much.
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I have a similar thing going as this was my first grow with HPS during flower where my previous grows had been nothing but MH. I switched because some of the brainiacs here were suggesting that combo. Even had a little yellow bird call me an idiot for doing the MH all the way. I acquieced, but i noticed ( without expecting it) less trichs with the HPS. Granted there are other slight differences in tactics this grow but...
MH is back on for the finish. HPS bulb now relegated to "backup". That said, I agree, genetics/strain but as with humans some of us are born big, stong, and smart while others have to work a bit to get there.
 
Jimdamick

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I bet on strain, and 2100 PPM is way high in my opinion, I try to stay at 1400 in hydro, which is hard to do because of buildup of nutes, it zooms up to 1600-1700 over night, and I adjust by adding water ( my plants drink a lot) I never add more nutes between flushes, because it causes excessive build up. In soil the buildup is even worse, and I would stop feeding now any way seeing as you only have a few weeks to go and there definitely enough nutes in the soil to carry you through. One more thing, if you use Calmag, you don't need the salts as they do the same thing, but the Calmag adds N, which is needed at all stages of plant growth. Good luck
 
hyroot

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bravedave said:
I have a similar thing going as this was my first grow with HPS during flower where my previous grows had been nothing but MH. I switched because some of the brainiacs here were suggesting that combo. Even had a little yellow bird call me an idiot for doing the MH all the way. I acquieced, but i noticed ( without expecting it) less trichs with the HPS. Granted there are other slight differences in tactics this grow but...
MH is back on for the finish. HPS bulb now relegated to "backup". That said, I agree, genetics/strain but as with humans some of us are born big, stong, and smart while others have to work a bit to get there.
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I'm anti hps. You should try CMH. Its far better than mh and hps. Or DIY cob led or induction. I used to use CMH. I just use led and induction now and they kick ass. Been using them for a few years now. I kind of want to get an lec 315w CMH from growers house. Put that in the middle of one section.
 
bravedave

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mickey oneil said:
The kind does have uv infused with the red and blue spe

Are you speaking for plants in general or for this particular strain. My hijack auto seems to be putting out a ton of resin and trichs (picture below) and is a week behind and in the same tent. The kind does in fact utilize uv along with the rest of their spectrum of blues and reds.
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All strains will probably benefit...heres the link:
https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-leprechauns-pot-o-gold.855314/
 
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bravedave said:
I have a similar thing going as this was my first grow with HPS during flower where my previous grows had been nothing but MH. I switched because some of the brainiacs here were suggesting that combo. Even had a little yellow bird call me an idiot for doing the MH all the way. I acquieced, but i noticed ( without expecting it) less trichs with the HPS. Granted there are other slight differences in tactics this grow but...
MH is back on for the finish. HPS bulb now relegated to "backup". That said, I agree, genetics/strain but as with humans some of us are born big, stong, and smart while others have to work a bit to get there.
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@mr sunshine , i think someone is taking a passive aggressive swipe at you!

not so brave, dave!
 
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UncleBuck said:
@mr sunshine , i think someone is taking a passive aggressive swipe at you!

not so brave, dave!
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Actually the source of the criticism of my MH use was not the point. Nor was I flushing out my troll. But, hello!! The thread has gathered some good info and has me personally gathering info on CMH bulbs. In any case, feel free to offer your lighting or trich suggestions too!! I am sure we can benefit from both little yellow birds as well as little girls.
 
mr sunshine

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mickey oneil said:
I have a Transiberian that is 50 days today. She has a ton of bud sites and is bushy as hell. She has been shooting up for about 2 weeks now and is right at 36" in height. The issue is that the bud sites aren't producing any trichs...at all...
Ph in/out good
RH ~50%
71-77*F
kind l450 @ 10" from canopy
ppms 2100 (is this too high)
in 5 gallon pot FFOF
calmag
epsom salt
rapid green
FF Tiger bloom
FF big bloom

is is there anything that can be causing this

*shes not showing any signs of deficiencies
*I did prune a bit about 1.5 wks ago.
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I think it's the genetics.ive grown plants outside and inside that didn't frost up as Much as others grown in the same conditions....maybe I should have put the sun away and used MH as dave suggested.
 
bravedave

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mr sunshine said:


Everything Dave does is right because his mentor that doesn't know shit said so...

Hey dave Rosenthal isn't this your second or third grow?
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Yes, third! Not something thats being hid as my build to now is documented right here. Thanks for your interest!!! Rather happy with the current, but yeah, lots to learn and I do like passing on the sage advice from others too. Whatcha think?
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So now that you are here maybe you can tell us why HPS outshines MH in flower. Is it a quantity vs quality decision?
 
mr sunshine

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Hps puts out more photons per watt then mh.fact.... This shit is layed in stone several university's have studied this..just because YOU grew frosty buds with mh doesn't mean you're right.. your problem is you're a noob acting like a grow guru.. you grew shitty weed your first time..second time you got better ..now you're on your third..you're just to stupid to see progress. You're not going to reinvent the wheel. And you claiming mh is better then hps for flowering because you grew 2 times in your lifetime is the biggest joke of all.. think about it dude....


Edit. Your plants look very nice btw..good job.
 
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hyroot

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mr sunshine said:
Hps puts out more photons per watt then mh.fact.... This shit is layed in stone several university's have studied this..just because YOU grew frosty buds with mh doesn't mean you're right.. your problem is you're a noob acting like a grow guru.. you grew shitty weed your first time..second time you got better ..now you're on your third..you're just to stupid to see progress. You're not going to reinvent the wheel. And you claiming mh is better then hps for flowering because you grew 2 times in your lifetime is the biggest joke of all.. think about it dude....


Edit. Your plants look very nice btw..good job.
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mh and hps are actually pretty close in par. But mh does have more photons. That's because it puts out more blue. The blue region produces the most photons. It depends on the bulb. Both have poor cri though. CMH on the other hand has higher par and the highest cri of any lighting and at less watts. Imo the only hps that's worth using is gavitas. Anything else is crap. 315w lec CMH will put the smack down on a 600w hps hortilux
 
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