who's in ? .... request for new investor

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mainliner

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panhead

i understand this but i don't think we can patent it , or maybe some part of it we can .

its the idea we have for both mine and growans products that will sell , there's non on the shelfs and i see a gap .


you mentioned " someone like me pinching it"
an nda doesn't stop this but if we see it or any SLIGHT sniff of it on the shelfs we have enough evidence to prove its ours ........ So we get the prototypes done as we are allready and hand the idea over to someone we trust.

its our idea as both products working together which will sell ........ The guy who backed out said he wanted to buy one there and then but we wasn't prescise enough with the measurements so basically we've started again with proper testing and measurements.


would you be interested if we got the full testing with measurements for the parts correct ?

we even have a catchy slogan and brand name :) it works well.
 
UncleBuck

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mainliner said:
panhead

i understand this but i don't think we can patent it , or maybe some part of it we can .

its the idea we have for both mine and growans products that will sell , there's non on the shelfs and i see a gap .


you mentioned " someone like me pinching it"
an nda doesn't stop this but if we see it or any SLIGHT sniff of it on the shelfs we have enough evidence to prove its ours ........ So we get the prototypes done as we are allready and hand the idea over to someone we trust.

its our idea as both products working together which will sell ........ The guy who backed out said he wanted to buy one there and then but we wasn't prescise enough with the measurements so basically we've started again with proper testing and measurements.


would you be interested if we got the full testing with measurements for the parts correct ?

we even have a catchy slogan and brand name :) it works well.
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funny ^^

growan was talking about hitting the riu banner idk.

its our idea with them both together which works, they wouldn't work no where near aswell separately.


an nda and a trusting person is whats needed imho .
 
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mainliner

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this is as close as your going to get to our whole concept :)

i wanted to pixelate it more because its such a great idea.

Ps ....... Children can you keep the funnies to a minimum please, adults talking :)




jokes aside our first investors reply to seeing this was WOW!! What a great idea in in with the finacial side no problem but as i said above we wasn't prepared.

we learn and live etc etc
 
Unclebaldrick

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mainliner said:
Ps ....... Children can you keep the funnies to a minimum please, adults talking :)

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Shit like this is why you are loathed by people of good sense. You have never in your entire time here respected anybody in the way you are now demeaningly demanding.

I left your picture in my reply because it reminds me of my dick in your ear. You will fell that dick some day. Oh yes, you will. I am very patient.
 
panhead

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mainliner said:
panhead

you mentioned " someone like me pinching it"
an nda doesn't stop this but if we see it or any SLIGHT sniff of it on the shelfs we have enough evidence to prove its ours ..


would you be interested if we got the full testing with measurements for the parts.
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Mainy when i mentioned somebody like me i wasnt refering to me ripping you off , the example was somebody who can throw $20k on a lawyer & make your NDA that was entered into on a MJ site deemed null & void in court , no contract is iron clad & trust in business will get you shit on every time .

As for me investing ive allready turned over the business to my sons & am tying up loose ends with my one remaining partner my son is too green to handle, i will be 63 pretty quick & my wife is very sick , i no longer have the drive or focus needed to manage my current businesses let alone get a new businesses off the ground , ive been thru it & knowing the workload i cant involve myself in any business ventures .

Im trying to get out of my businesses so a new venture at this point in my life would be counter productive .
 
Growan

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Goodness me.

The wheels of commerce turn fast while the Goat is distracted by other things....

I see this is going well Mainy. You've already baited Buck into releasing the 'details' of my product just because you've rubbed the whole site up the wrong way for so long.

I'm starting to think we might have to dissolve our business association, and I'll continue to offer advice and help where I can.

This us just sooooo far from my plan of prototyping, testing, eBay market testing then hydro shops Etc. ...

Dunno man. I've pretty much lost my hard on for it after all this nonsense.

Think I'll take Goat Brand back to the previous business model and give all this drama a swerve. My scepticism is pretty much fully confirmed now.

Sorry.
 
Growan

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panhead said:
Mainliner .

I hate to shit on anybodys dreams but this is not how you attract venture capitalists ,not by a long shot .

1st you make several prototypes , discover which version works best & is cheapest to produce , then you file for a patent & pay all associated fee's .

Next you find a manufacturer willing to retool for a 5 to 10,000 piece order , not easy & hugely expensive .

Next you secure a purchase agreement with the manufacturer specifying costs per item vs manufacturing run numbers .

Then you order & pay for 5 to 10,000 units & hit the bricks knocking on doors , trade shows , businesses that may sell your product , if your lucky a few businesses will order a few & pay up front or take the product on consignment.

After you discover the market share for your product & have hard nailed numbers then you ask for a venture capatalist to bankroll your product , or you approach competitors & try & work out a deal , or offer your proven patent to them for sale .

I invested into a Tattoo Parlor where the artist allready had a huge loyal customer base to bring with him & provided hard numbers for me to see , not just an idea but proven sales volumes & i had controlling interest until my investment was repaid , we still own 15% of that business & are talking now about selling our remaining interests at my price .

I invested in a self storage facility where the owner showed us 12 yrs of provable income before he got a dime , within 2 yrs we opened a 2nd location based on local need , with the 2nd locations build costs i took controlling interest , then bought my partner out , we still own both locations .

I put a staggering amount of $ into a co-op for a controlling interest but not before getting all our ducks in a row with liscensing & zoning as well as approval from city council , i forced a buy out of my shares in less than 3 yrs at huge markup of the true value or i would close the doors , the other investors had no choice but to pay my price & i squeezed em like lemmons, i shot a move on them for cooking the books trying to fuk me & it cost them dearly , ruthless ? yes but thats business .

Are you seeing a pettern here , i invest in sure things , then depending on profits gain controlling interest with future take over & buy out in mind .

My whole point is this , either put in the legwork & cash to prove your products market share , then approach investors with your proven patent , or show your idea to the world with a non binding NDA & risk somebody like me taking your idea , making a few changes then applying for patent on your idea & forcing you out with very little .

If you really want this product to work plan on getting all patents before you show the product or ask for investors , that is your minimum cost before proceeding .
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Here is the voice of reason and common sense.

Thank you, Levi.
 
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mainliner

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panhead
"""no contract is iron clad & trust in business will get you shit on every time"""

if we as a world listened to this advice panhead the world would get nowhere.

trust in buissness Doesn't get you shit on everytime.


there was a man who invented the auto windowwipers last century and a big car company stole the idea ......... He had no evidence but a witness to his idea and won the case ........... Just saying :)


patentable or not it doesn't matter , it just wont make as much money.


growans idea of "selling it to the big boys" was alittle far fetched as its not patentable, we ironed out this crease and the got re- creased by non- sense from this thread .

i carry on regardless simple :)


but thanks for the "advice"
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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Lol, that "advice" is the best thing you could listen to. Also, Robert Kearns did get money for his intermittent wiper design - 30 years later!

Keep on being a twink.

If you ARE serious, you should go to the show I mentioned.
 
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mainliner

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im staring at part which iv just picked up from an engineering company as the prototype as i type and have filled a form in for a local invention/ investor company .


the offer still stands stands regardless thank you :)
 
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mainliner

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in going to put you on ignore for a few week baldrick :)

your dumbness is clashing with my logic


I'll put you back on if i rembember as my phone doesnt show the little " you are ingnoring content from this person" thingy:( sorry

I'll do it if i remember ok buddy :)
 
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