Creating E Juice

[aawitek]

I am going to venture in making some E Juice today and wanted to list my steps and have a few questions.

1. Freeze fresh flower (grinded), everclear, glass jars for 24 hrs.
2. Wash flower in everclear for 2-3 minutes, strain, repeat for 2 additional washes.
3. Freeze liquid for 24 hours, strain again to remove impurities.
4. Pour liquid into pyrex dish and place on heating pad so that everclear evaporates. Before everclear completely evaporates, add 2-3 drops of water so the oil doesn't burn.
5. Place EJmix in shot glass and place into a simmering pot to heat up. Add oil and mix for 5 minutes to it combines.
6. Add to nautilus mini tank and vape away.

So onto my questions: Do I have to decarb the fresh flower? Is 2-3 minute wash with everclear too short/long? Is the second freeze of 24 hours too short/long?

I welcome any comments/suggestions. Thank you!

 

[Grow Goddess]

I am going to venture in making some E Juice today and wanted to list my steps and have a few questions.

1. Freeze fresh flower (grinded), everclear, glass jars for 24 hrs.
2. Wash flower in everclear for 2-3 minutes, strain, repeat for 2 additional washes.
3. Freeze liquid for 24 hours, strain again to remove impurities.
4. Pour liquid into pyrex dish and place on heating pad so that everclear evaporates. Before everclear completely evaporates, add 2-3 drops of water so the oil doesn't burn.
5. Place EJmix in shot glass and place into a simmering pot to heat up. Add oil and mix for 5 minutes to it combines.
6. Add to nautilus mini tank and vape away.

So onto my questions: Do I have to decarb the fresh flower? Is 2-3 minute wash with everclear too short/long? Is the second freeze of 24 hours too short/long?

I welcome any comments/suggestions. Thank you!

Here is my answer to your questions. Just in my opinion.
As to decarbing the flower, that is personal preference. The taste and effects are different. I prefer starting with non decarbed flowers or buds, but I do like it each way. Excluding non heat decarbed, that is my favorite way.
I would say 2 to 3 minutes being too long since you plan to do 2 additional washes.
Second freeze, 24 hours works, 72 might be better, but I have not noticed any big differences.

Suggestions:
I would not add any water. That is meant for an RSO method when using potent solvents. The solvent you are using already has water in it. For making a vaporizer oil, non-decarbed, there is no need to add water during the process.
I do not recommend using 190 everclear for making an e-cannabis product. Too much water and it does cause for a more dirty extraction. For vaporizing, super clean oil is very important. I recommend using 99% isopropyl. If you don't mind it being a little dirty, (darker), I highly recommend using the 200 proof KleenXtract, it cost just a little more than 190 everclear. Superior for extractions in my opinion.
When you say fresh bud, I recommend them to be very dry, then frozen. No need for grinding. As soon as you add the solvent into the jar and shake, the buds will crumble. Right after crumbling, drain into the filter as quickly as possible. Repeat the process 2 more times, shake for a few seconds and pour out. If you use the solvents I recommend, you may prefer using no heat and just fan dry.

I am sure not everyone agrees, we have all had different experiences. With the strains I have, I was never satisfied using 190 proof alcohol. At least when it comes to a no heat process. It always left water behind and is a pain to deal with. That is why I like the 99% iso and I am really liking the 200 proof ethyl (KleenXtract). In a dry atmosphere I have not had either leave water behind. I have heard of people using a rice cooker (RSO method) and not having issues with water. My guess is due to the heat of the rice cooker aiding in the evaporation of the water. I never experimented with grain alcohol and heat for purging.

Just my two cents. Hope this helps.

 

[aawitek]

Here is my answer to your questions. Just in my opinion.
As to decarbing the flower, that is personal preference. The taste and effects are different. I prefer starting with non decarbed flowers or buds, but I do like it each way. Excluding non heat decarbed, that is my favorite way.
I would say 2 to 3 minutes being too long since you plan to do 2 additional washes.
Second freeze, 24 hours works, 72 might be better, but I have not noticed any big differences.

Suggestions:
I would not add any water. That is meant for an RSO method when using potent solvents. The solvent you are using already has water in it. For making a vaporizer oil, non-decarbed, there is no need to add water during the process.
I do not recommend using 190 everclear for making an e-cannabis product. Too much water and it does cause for a more dirty extraction. For vaporizing, super clean oil is very important. I recommend using 99% isopropyl. If you don't mind it being a little dirty, (darker), I highly recommend using the 200 proof KleenXtract, it cost just a little more than 190 everclear. Superior for extractions in my opinion.
When you say fresh bud, I recommend them to be very dry, then frozen. No need for grinding. As soon as you add the solvent into the jar and shake, the buds will crumble. Right after crumbling, drain into the filter as quickly as possible. Repeat the process 2 more times, shake for a few seconds and pour out. If you use the solvents I recommend, you may prefer using no heat and just fan dry.

I am sure not everyone agrees, we have all had different experiences. With the strains I have, I was never satisfied using 190 proof alcohol. At least when it comes to a no heat process. It always left water behind and is a pain to deal with. That is why I like the 99% iso and I am really liking the 200 proof ethyl (KleenXtract). In a dry atmosphere I have not had either leave water behind. I have heard of people using a rice cooker (RSO method) and not having issues with water. My guess is due to the heat of the rice cooker aiding in the evaporation of the water. I never experimented with grain alcohol and heat for purging.

Just my two cents. Hope this helps.

Thanks for the suggestions. I will skip the decarbing (thought that it was necessary to feel the full effects of the flower), I will reduce the time no longer than 30-45 seconds, and not add drops of water. I will be using the everclear for this extraction though, since I have it. I will purchase the KleenExtract for my next run.

Thanks for the quick reply. Will post an update.

 

[Grow Goddess]

Thanks for the suggestions. I will skip the decarbing (thought that it was necessary to feel the full effects of the flower), I will reduce the time no longer than 30-45 seconds, and not add drops of water. I will be using the everclear for this extraction though, since I have it. I will purchase the KleenExtract for my next run.

Thanks for the quick reply. Will post an update.

Something to consider since you are using the 190. You may only want to do 2 quick rinses for your vaping oil. Then one or two more quick rinses or longer (keeping the solvent separate from the initial 2 rinses) for topical or edible uses.

In my experience of using grain alcohol, it can be very strain sensitive. Some strains the extraction comes out nice and oily, others want to putty up. When the putty happens, I dilute the putty back to a liquid state and filter it with a paper filter, then allow to evaporate. The 200 proof ethyl may produce the same results. I have only had that happen with one of my strains, but the diluting and filtering that was necessary still provided a great end product.

It is odd, but I have noticed with the grain alcohol and 200 proof ethyl I average 3 grams of oil per ounce of bud. When I used 99% iso, which provides a more clean looking extract, I would get about 4 grams of oil per ounce of bud. My concerns are about my personal preference, not quantity. For me the 200 proof ethyl, even though I am only getting aobut 3 grams per ounce, is my favorite.

Next time I purchase the KX, I will buy the 5 gallon container, which is less expensive than purchasing it by the gallon respectively and brings the price down closer to that of 190 everclear.

The only thing I miss about using the 99% iso is each strain was providing beautiful colors. Oranges, pinks, golden, and amber. Then again, looks don't carry the same value to me as it used to.

 

[Grow Goddess]

I will offer another tip.

I have had others report to me, and I do somewhat agree with it. The end product of this method of making oil can cause aphrodisiac like effects!! Very stimulating if you get my meaning!

This process does require much patience. The end product needs to be kept in a liquid like state, similar to that of honey. Adding 190 proof alcohol to the finished product is a safe method of doing so only if needed.

After doing the extraction, no heat is one of the key elements, natural decarbing is the other.

Do not allow the concentrate to fully purge the alcohol. Keep it at a liquid state, a bit more runny than honey, fill vials no more than half way. I have used vials from 1 to 8 dram in size. Store the sealed vials for 120 days in a cool dark area (not the refrigerator), and put those vials in a clean back up jar in case of leakage due to pressure. Shaking the vials and releasing pressure weekly. After the solution no longer releases CO2, remove the caps and allow the solution to finish evaporating the alcohol. Then you will have a naturally decarbed oil which is much different than a heat decarbed oil. This oil provides a different buzz than that of a heat decarbed oil.


Now that I think about it, this tip may be better over at the spiritual sexual topic LOL! I have not browsed that one yet!
Just thought I'd share this info since others have shared it with me.

 

[phil k]

well the alcohol method your referring to is going to be a nightmare i have done it and some brads of VG do not mix well at all with RSO extract.. its much much easier.. much better tasting to mix dry hash or keif into VG mixture .. say you put 1 gram hash with 4ML VG... heat it LIGHTLY in a double boiler preferably just up to 90-100degrees warm enough to start heating the VG so it mixes with the hash.. let that heat for like 1-3 hours don't let the heat rise your fuck the flavor up .... take it out and your mix will be good... make it all the time.. but i have made it all the ways ... don't forget the saturation rates of VG vs. PG are much different VG only holds 33%... heres some shots..

The VG headband was hash and VG (best by far flavor wise)

The cheese PG was simpson oil and propylene glycol... it mixes WAY easier than VG with simpson....

the cheese VG was simpson and VG but you can see how it just didn't saturate as much as PG....

 

[Grow Goddess]

Here is some of my e-cannabis oil. It is thick like using VG, but I used PEG400 NF/USP with some organic flavoring for full stealth. It makes me feel more comfortable when vaping in public. When stored in my e-cigg case, who would know the difference?
The concentrate is QWET made with 190 proof grain alcohol. The concentrate was mixed with PEG400 NF/USP. The QWET is a pain to make, that is why I prefer to use 200 proof grain alcohol and I truly believe I get a better final product using it. This was flavored with organic banana nut flavoring.


The downside with the thicker oils is a lot of vaporizers do not operate very well with it. I like the aerotank mini when using the thicker oils. All vaporizers respond differently to carrier oil mixtures. Not just in reference to the thickness. You kind of need to experiment with what mixtures work best with each vaporizer. I never tried the ej mix.

 

[aawitek]

I completed the first washes, 4 in total on 7 grams of flower. The filtered solution is now in the freezer and I will filter again tonight.

The used filters do have a nice dust and a little flower material on them. Is it correst to assume that I wait for them to dry, scrape off and use as a topper for normal smoking? Or is there something else I can do with it?

Also, what, if anything, can I do with the washed flower?

Thanks again!

 

[vitamin_green_inc]

well the alcohol method your referring to is going to be a nightmare i have done it and some brads of VG do not mix well at all with RSO extract.. its much much easier.. much better tasting to mix dry hash or keif into VG mixture .. say you put 1 gram hash with 4ML VG... heat it LIGHTLY in a double boiler preferably just up to 90-100degrees warm enough to start heating the VG so it mixes with the hash.. let that heat for like 1-3 hours don't let the heat rise your fuck the flavor up .... take it out and your mix will be good... make it all the time.. but i have made it all the ways ... don't forget the saturation rates of VG vs. PG are much different VG only holds 33%... heres some shots..

The VG headband was hash and VG (best by far flavor wise)

The cheese PG was simpson oil and propylene glycol... it mixes WAY easier than VG with simpson....

the cheese VG was simpson and VG but you can see how it just didn't saturate as much as PG.... View attachment 3409931View attachment 3409932 View attachment 3409933

What brand do you recomend? I am going to do the Qwet extraction with Everclear tonight and hopefully get at least 10% back when I scrape it. Then I just mix that powder/hash with 4ml of VG solution and that's it?

 

[vitamin_green_inc]

Here is some of my e-cannabis oil. It is thick like using VG, but I used PEG400 NF/USP with some organic flavoring for full stealth. It makes me feel more comfortable when vaping in public. When stored in my e-cigg case, who would know the difference?
The concentrate is QWET made with 190 proof grain alcohol. The concentrate was mixed with PEG400 NF/USP. The QWET is a pain to make, that is why I prefer to use 200 proof grain alcohol and I truly believe I get a better final product using it. This was flavored with organic banana nut flavoring.
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The downside with the thicker oils is a lot of vaporizers do not operate very well with it. I like the aerotank mini when using the thicker oils. All vaporizers respond differently to carrier oil mixtures. Not just in reference to the thickness. You kind of need to experiment with what mixtures work best with each vaporizer. I never tried the ej mix.

What do you heat it at when you mix the QWET hash with the mixture? Any brands you recomend? How much hash do you mix in?

 

[707humboldt]

IMO I would not use iso for any type of extraction. 190 ever clear is a lot safer and healthier. I wouldn't touch anything made with iso

 

[GrowinDad]

VG and QWET/QWISO do not mix well. If making RSO, straight PG holds for me. When not "cooking" the QWET, you need to use PEG, EJ MIX, etc in some amount. I go 1 drop of EJ Mix per ml of oil and then mix in PG.

Heat on a coffee cup warmer to melt it.

 

[phil k]

What brand do you recomend? I am going to do the Qwet extraction with Everclear tonight and hopefully get at least 10% back when I scrape it. Then I just mix that powder/hash with 4ml of VG solution and that's it?

well when i do Iso extracts i don't do my initial extracts with grain alcohol i do medical or 99% isopropyl... for a few reason one is price.. two is extraction quality.. i truly fell that every ever clear extraction was less in quantity... but also when you let ever clear evaporate it leaves a lot of water and that takes even longer to allow to evap... so when i make simpson i use isopropyl... but i never heat or use any heat when i evaporate my isopropyl.... i extract with isopropyl... allw that to eval over two days with a fan... then i go back and ETOH wash two times... NOW at this point ill use liquor but again i don't use ever clear i use "sprytus" its much higher in alcohol content than ever clear and washes much easier.

you really really need to be careful making simpson oil.. your boiling down very high liquor content with impurities i see people all the time make simpson oil and its loaded with not only plant material but theres residual shit left in it all the time if your not filtering and washing properly.. i go through the extra steps of vacuum purging my oils after all my washes just to ensure i have no residual.

if you have a local lab that can test your oil i would suggest getting a residual test done to make sure your extract and washes are being done properly
heres some simpson oil cones with the isopropyl...then washed... but this pic is prior to the washes..

 

[phil k]

heres another one

 

[phil k]

IMO I would not use iso for any type of extraction. 190 ever clear is a lot safer and healthier. I wouldn't touch anything made with iso

i do agree for those that don't know how to properly purge and extract any left overs... but when done right its simply a liquid hash... its all it tastes like when its truly clean... the even more fucked thing is when your oil is tested they give two grade... safe for consumption (meaning 0-10ppm max residual and you can eat it) .. then theres safe to smoke and that level is fucking high the residual levels can be up to 80+ppm and the labs still say its safe to smoke....just not consume.... i never would but isn't that sack as hell

 

[phil k]

years ago people were making BHO and not vacuum purging it..... peoples throats were getting all fucked up from the leftover chemicals and shit.. the extractions get really dangerous health wise if you don't know what the hell your doing.

 

[vitamin_green_inc]

Yeah after a bunch of research I have found really the only way to have a viable product is to have a homogenizer to properly mix the substances. That will be a purchase after I get a vacuum chamber. For now I will just stick to green dragon and Canna Caps to medicate in public lol

 

[phil k]

Yeah after a bunch of research I have found really the only way to have a viable product is to have a homogenizer to properly mix the substances. That will be a purchase after I get a vacuum chamber. For now I will just stick to green dragon and Canna Caps to medicate in public lol

yeah if your really looking to mix VG and oil thats need .. PG is different that mixes fine with oil .. or anything really it saturates much easier than VG....

 

[707humboldt]

I dont winterize at all unless its for a food grade run, just straight inline dewax. I like doing it that way alot better. You get a better taste and its less of a process. Even for making e-juice I just use dewaxed shatter. We get all our stuff tested for dispensary purposes, the dewaxed stuff has a way better terp profile than the winterized stuff. Its all abut terps now a days, doing mostly fresh frozen or live resin runs now.

This is some older outdoor, thats why its a little darker. Didn't come out too bad though. Its Dream Queen

 

[aawitek]

So I filtered again and set up a double boiler to evaporate the everclear. I did this in my kitchen with the vent on high. The temperature of the water never got above 140F. It took about 3 hours to fully evaporate. The return was 1.8 grams. I mixed it together with the 4mL EJmix. I did this with a shot glass submerged in water that was about 140F. It mixed well together in about 10 minutes.

It vapes perfectly. Thanks to everyone that commented. I will take some of the suggestions and implement them for the next round.