Cloning and Mother Plants

[KCFilmz]

Hey everyone, just joined today, and just began the germination process for a few seeds I got. I do have a question about cloning, as this is something I want to try out. I read online that using a mother plant is what you need to clone, but isn't a female seed a mother plant? Also, I read post of people saying they have a few plants that are perfect mother plants. What are Mother plants, and how do I know which one is right, and can I still use this plant to grow buds after cutting it for the clones? Thanks

 

[Maat Aatack]

So much info out there it's sometimes hard to sort through it all. I'll try to summarize:
You can take a cutting from any plant that you like and root it to become a clone of the original. It doesn't have to be a mother plant per se. A mother plant is typically a fine specimine of a given strain that you use to take regular cuttings from. Usually you don't know if you want it to be a mother until you have flowered it. Some people keep mothers for a year or so, but I've heard of some keeping them for up to 7 years. There is however also some information out there which suggests that the longer the mother is alive the less vigor she will exhibit and she passes that lack of vigor to her progeny. Same for multiple generations of clones. Taking clones from clones etc. is said to affect their vigor.

 

[Maat Aatack]

Also regarding revegitating an already flowered plant.. It can be done and is done, but I have no experience with it.

 

[Milovan]

For a quicker reveg just keep 24 hour lighting on a budded plant to reveg and
the beginning of reveg differs with different strains.
You will get some mutant leaves at first then back to reg leaves
there after.
Some keep elite moms for 20+ years.
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[KCFilmz]

Thanks guys. You are right though, there is so much info out there, and it gets very confusing. I just want to be sure I am doing it right.

 

[Mad_Prophessor]

If you get one of your clone to root, you are doing it right. When you pick a mom, make sure it is a strong and fast growing plant. Clones act just like the plant you took them from. This is why you want a good and healthy plant for a mom. AS far as them being slow with their age, they are not. They slow down if you stop pruning them and they get root bound, but that is about it. Clones taken from a plant that is at least five months old have a better chance of rooting.

Re-vegging a plant is also called monster-cropping. I have done it in the past, but would not suggest doing it. The plant gets wild and is a pain in the ass to deal with. It looks funny too. The leaves grow three fingers regardless of how big the leaf gets. Just fucking weird. Trimming them sucks the dick too. If you want to take clones off of a plant and then flower it out, that is no biggie. Don't take the clones while the plant is flowering and give it a week or so to recover from being cut before you flower it.

 

[Darth Vapour]

There is no need to pick a mom and No age where a plant will clone better then another a cutting is a cutting it will show same characteristics as the Host, that you took it from
what a person wants to do is clone from a vigorous pheno, Its good practice to water only week or so prior to taking clones i have cloned thousands of times and the goal is finding the right moisture level in medium and keeping RH levels high so cuttings do not droop a dome is a must sterile tools etc

 

[anzohaze]

I use a clone king a r a zoo blade and that's it no dome no nothing. Just tap water no nothin

 

[Milovan]

Don't take the clones while the plant is flowering.

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Actually It is ok to take
cuttings in flower all the way up to harvest as
those types of cuttings are known to
grow more vigorously and bushy (then the mom) once
they swing into high gear. Those cuttings came
from a donor that already had a established
root system and branches that are older and more
"woody".
I've had great success with this method.

Most people take cuttings when plants are in veg
for a faster turnaround mostly.
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[Mad_Prophessor]

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Actually It is ok to take
cuttings in flower all the way up to harvest as
those types of cuttings are known to
grow more vigorously and bushy (then the mom) once
they swing into high gear. Those cuttings came
from a donor that already had a established
root system and branches that are older and more
"woody".
I've had great success with this method.

Most people take cuttings when plants are in veg
for a faster turnaround mostly.
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Cutting your plants in flower causes them stress. Don't take cones in flower. The reason you have seen them grow bushy is that you monster crop them by re-vegging a flowering plant. Clone a vegging plant and not a flowering plant. You are one person that saw one thing, one time and tried it with an ok result. In the growing world, we don't clone flowering plants, ever.

 

[Milovan]

Cutting your plants in flower causes them stress. Don't take cones in flower. The reason you have seen them grow bushy is that you monster crop them by re-vegging a flowering plant. Clone a vegging plant and not a flowering plant. You are one person that saw one thing, one time and tried it with an ok result. In the growing world, we don't clone flowering plants, ever.

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This statement above is very wrong. Cutting plants in flower does not
cause any more stress then taking cuttings in veg.
Actually taking cuttings in veg may cause more stress cause
the plant is younger and not mature compared to taking cuttings in flower.
It is more then ok to take clones from flowering
plants and I don't get ok results I get great results.

How can this 9'x9'x'9 plant and others be a result of just "ok"?
This plant came from a small 4' mom plant and grew into a huge monster
straight from hell. One of many.
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Btw, in the growing world anything goes and many growers take cuttings
in flower and I am one of them. I take them both in veg and flower with
great results either way.
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Again it is more then ok to take cuttings from a flowering plant
and get great results no doubt. A tried and true method and
not for novice growers that have no green thumb but think they do.
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[Fluff Up]

I've seen with friends plants, if a plant is bitchy about being clipped in veg it'll be extra bitchy about it when it's flowering. I guess it comes down to the plants themselves and eventually learning to read them and their needs
I've seen in a Rosenthal book him demonstrating taking clones at early flower stage, cloning and by forcing light cycle they'll revert back to veg, it takes a little time and is stressful to the plant during that time so it is delicate but it'll get there eventually with a little TLC
I'm a fan of the standard long cut with a razor blade about 1 - 2 cm, clonex rooting gel (used powder once, never again) into a jiffy bag and let it soak up a mild dose rhizotonic (super handy for clone and seedling plants, establishes strong roots) let sit for up to 15 days in propagator in cut plastic cup with card covering the roots (essential! I've noticed where the cards slipped to one side, no roots will grow at all but plenty on the dark side), wait for the roots to wriggle outta the jiffy bag ideally slightly longer than the Jiffy bag, spread out the roots with a tooth pick before re-potting, get them in a seedling pot and blamo they're ready for the veg closet

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Btw, in the growing world anything goes,

Amen Brother!

 

[Mad_Prophessor]

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This statement above is very wrong. Cutting plants in flower does not
cause any more stress then taking cuttings in veg.
Actually taking cuttings in veg may cause more stress cause
the plant is younger and not mature compared to taking cuttings in flower.
It is more then ok to take clones from flowering
plants and I don't get ok results I get great results.

How can this 9'x9'x'9 plant and others be a result of just "ok"?
This plant came from a small 4' mom plant and grew into a huge monster
straight from hell. One of many.
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Btw, in the growing world anything goes and many growers take cuttings
in flower and I am one of them. I take them both in veg and flower with
great results either way.
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Again it is more then ok to take cuttings from a flowering plant
and get great results no doubt. A tried and true method and
not for novice growers that have no green thumb but think they do.
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Stressing flowering plants can cause them to mutate hermy. I never said it causes more or less stress. ANY stress during flower is a bad idea. That is one reason you don't cut a flowering plant. The other reason is that they turn into the larfy messes that you are growing from Monster-cropping them. Your plants are the exact reason you don't want to do it. I dunno about you, but I smoke bud, not leaf. Anybody can grow a large outdoor larf ball, but growing the high-end headies for medical use that I grow requires more than just a larfy OD nug. Size doesn't mean jack shit, Dawg. It needs to look and be good.

The stress from cutting clones in veg is easy for the plant to recover from since it is NOT in the process of growing buds. Also, it will grow faster as a clone since it doesn't have to recover from the added stress of the light cycle change. ANY time you take a cone, you should keep the same light schedule as the mother plant was on. It will add less stress to the clone and let it root 5 days faster. If you take a clone from a flowering plant, you are easily going to add another week to it's recovery and it will NEVER grow like a veg clone. Period! It will grow, sure. It's vigor and it's shape will never compare between a flower clone and a veg clone. They are not the same thing and they never will be.

Again, if you want to grow a larfy mess, clone your flowering plant and Monster-crop them. If you want a healthier, more vigorous growing clone, cut if from a vegging plant. This is what myself and all of the commercial growers I know do so that our clones grow faster. You can "make it work" with a lot of different things but the question you need to ask is: Is what I am doing a good idea, or am I just making something work because I am too lazy to do it the right way?

 

[Milovan]

"Size doesn't mean jack shit, Dawg. It needs to look and be good."
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Tell me something I don't know.

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"This is what myself and all of the commercial growers I know do so that our clones grow faster."

Just like I said before and you just said above ...
clones taken in veg is for a faster turnaround.
That's the bottom line.
Period.

Btw, no larf on my end.

Compared to taking clones in veg there's no more stress
on flowering plants
when clones are taken and a plant is a plant no matter when or
which way you cut it.
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