The positive, economic effect of lowering the minimum wage to $0

[Rob Roy]

Why do you expect people to do business on gov. land for free?

Like I said before, are you going to let me live in your house without paying rent?

We're not going to see eye to eye on this, you refuse to acknowledge ownership of the state and government controlled land because you believe you own it and therefore you should control it. Well, you're wrong. The government owns it, and because of that the government has the same right you do when you charge me rent to live in your house when they levy taxes to live/do business on their land.

May your chains rest lightly upon you.

 

[bu$hleaguer]

So

Your funny.
Having worked at a very exclusive country club. I can tell you most of them got where they are thru connections and money

Quite possibly correct.... But, uh...So what? Are you jealous? If you were them would you be giving it out? How often do you give away money that you have? Who gives a shit? Crying about it only keeps you from keeping your head down and working hard. Every second you have to wipe a tear away because some other guy has more than you is a second back you fall in the race.

 

[Darth Vapour]

Why do you expect people to do business on gov. land for free?

Like I said before, are you going to let me live in your house without paying rent?

We're not going to see eye to eye on this, you refuse to acknowledge ownership of the state and government controlled land because you believe you own it and therefore you should control it. Well, you're wrong. The government owns it, and because of that the government has the same right you do when you charge me rent to live in your house when they levy taxes to live/do business on their land.

Actually you are Wrong China owns it
See how else can USA get money from another country ??? I know see they will put large parcels of land name it a wet land , or any other obviscated name.. show they are not mineing it or driling for oil ..and Also note that YOU as a US Citizen do not have any rights to even enter the land
so when you go to the bank and borrow money do they ask you ,, YOU have any collateral..
same thing applies when a country like china does business or anyone else
Truth is until the loan is payed in full , and we all know that will never happen all the land in question is owned by other party So Who owns it not your Government but another country really

As to the thread what a better way to control the masses is by just that they want you to rely on them so welfare of course is one way to control YOU food stamps ???
WTF man open your eyes

 

[Padawanbater2]

Not following. You mean I'm currently paying $.93 of every dollar to them? That doesn't seem right. I know where all of my money is, and it's currently not like that.

"Well, we finally have the estimated data for 2010 by income percentile, and it turns out that the top 1% had a fantastic year. The data is in the World Top Income Database, as well as Emmanuel Saez’s updated Striking it Richer: The Evolution of Top Incomes in the United States…The takeaway quote from Saez should be: “The top 1% captured 93% of the income gains in the first year of recovery.”…The bottom 90% of Americans lost $127, the bottom 99% of Americans gained $80, and the top 1% gained $105,637. The bottom 99% is net positive for the year because of around $125 in average capital gains. They can take comfort in efforts by the Right to set the capital gains tax to 0%, which would have netted them an addition couple dozen bucks."

Such levels of income disparity hasn't been seen since the great depression, and if anyone thinks this won't have profound effects on the global economy in the near future, they're mistaken. A very small number of people receive all the economic gains while the overwhelming majority receive none

They've earned their money. Whether they've invested smartly or worked their ass off or had a brilliant idea, they're there for a reason. Sorry, you'll have to explain the link to me, I am going back to work, gotta get ready for tomorrow. No time to read that. I need more money so I work harder for it. No secrets. Like lebowski said, the bums will always lose! I do 2 shifts a day in our busy times, one is 5-3, the other is 6-midnight.

What has 1% of the population done since 1970 that justifies increasing their income by more than 325 x's what it was then? (top 250 corporations in America) And where do you think that money came from?

They have rigged the system in their favor, they didn't work 5x's as hard, they didn't have some brilliant idea that benefited millions, but they sure as fuck did invest! They invested in politicians who worked to rig the system in favor of corporate interests. When you have some spare time, take a moment to read this study from Princeton that shows 95% of the time, politicians don't give a damn what the American people think or want, they only care what big business wants;

https://www.princeton.edu/csdp/events/Trounstine020509/Trounstine020509.pdf

Or watch this quick clip that explains it;

 

[see4]

Actually you are Wrong China owns it
See how else can USA get money from another country ??? I know see they will put large parcels of land name it a wet land , or any other obviscated name.. show they are not mineing it or driling for oil ..and Also note that YOU as a US Citizen do not have any rights to even enter the land
so when you go to the bank and borrow money do they ask you ,, YOU have any collateral..
same thing applies when a country like china does business or anyone else
Truth is until the loan is payed in full , and we all know that will never happen all the land in question is owned by other party So Who owns it not your Government but another country really

As to the thread what a better way to control the masses is by just that they want you to rely on them so welfare of course is one way to control YOU food stamps ???
WTF man open your eyes

You really need to work on your grammar.

 

[bu$hleaguer]

"Well, we finally have the estimated data for 2010 by income percentile, and it turns out that the top 1% had a fantastic year. The data is in the World Top Income Database, as well as Emmanuel Saez’s updated Striking it Richer: The Evolution of Top Incomes in the United States…The takeaway quote from Saez should be: “The top 1% captured 93% of the income gains in the first year of recovery.”…The bottom 90% of Americans lost $127, the bottom 99% of Americans gained $80, and the top 1% gained $105,637. The bottom 99% is net positive for the year because of around $125 in average capital gains. They can take comfort in efforts by the Right to set the capital gains tax to 0%, which would have netted them an addition couple dozen bucks."

Such levels of income disparity hasn't been seen since the great depression, and if anyone thinks this won't have profound effects on the global economy in the near future, they're mistaken. A very small number of people receive all the economic gains while the overwhelming majority receive none

What has 1% of the population done since 1970 that justifies increasing their income by more than 325 x's what it was then? (top 250 corporations in America) And where do you think that money came from?

They have rigged the system in their favor, they didn't work 5x's as hard, they didn't have some brilliant idea that benefited millions, but they sure as fuck did invest! They invested in politicians who worked to rig the system in favor of corporate interests. When you have some spare time, take a moment to read this study from Princeton that shows 95% of the time, politicians don't give a damn what the American people think or want, they only care what big business wants;

https://www.princeton.edu/csdp/events/Trounstine020509/Trounstine020509.pdf

Or watch this quick clip that explains it;

Right on. When you're the boss you can make the rules I suppose. Ill never be in the top 1% so I'm not worried about who is. I'm worried about the guy right in front of me in this race, and I'm going to drag him down pretty soon and trample his ass. I'll look another time but those are good looking graphs and colored things. I worry about number 1 and try not to step in number 2. I don't have time to sit around and wonder why or to raise a fist at all the issues around me, I just keep my head down and work until I drop. Thats the only way I know how to feed my family and to pay for medical expenses for my recently legless gf. Do I sit around and cry about the drunk driver that did it? Nope. Worry about yourself and if you can say that you worked yourself to the point of needing to sleep at night because you just can't stand anymore then you have nothing to worry about. Peace out ya'll it's been fun.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Right on. When you're the boss you can make the rules I suppose. Ill never be in the top 1% so I'm not worried about who is. I'm worried about the guy right in front of me in this race, and I'm going to drag him down pretty soon and trample his ass. I'll look another time but those are good looking graphs and colored things. I worry about number 1 and try not to step in number 2. I don't have time to sit around and wonder why or to raise a fist at all the issues around me, I just keep my head down and work until I drop. Thats the only way I know how to feed my family and to pay for medical expenses for my recently legless gf. Do I sit around and cry about the drunk driver that did it? Nope. Worry about yourself and if you can say that you worked yourself to the point of needing to sleep at night because you just can't stand anymore then you have nothing to worry about. Peace out ya'll it's been fun.

No disrespect, but the fuck you think I'm trying to do by highlighting all this?

You're not seeing the bigger picture. You, me, and millions of others could work until our fingers bled, every day, for 20 hours a day and we still wouldn't see the gains we've produced. For you or anyone to sit here and tell people they need to just work harder or longer for less money when those at the tip top work easier, shorter hours and see their incomes explode through systemic corruption in government is complete fucking nonsense.

Watch the clip I posted, it's 5 fucking minutes

 

[ChesusRice]

So


Quite possibly correct.... But, uh...So what? Are you jealous? If you were them would you be giving it out? How often do you give away money that you have? Who gives a shit? Crying about it only keeps you from keeping your head down and working hard. Every second you have to wipe a tear away because some other guy has more than you is a second back you fall in the race.

Your party will never win the white house ever again because of retards like you

 

[Darth Vapour]

Fuck my Grammer life is good in my neck of the woods .. See i learned long time ago fuck min wage fuck a lot of things from knowing a few very well of people i couod never figure out how in the fuck ,, i see these guys never working always golfing and driving nice rides.
So as all know we have friends that never become anything and some others that become doctors , lawyers etc then we have them few friends that more or less in your eyes are the Illuminati..
So by age 30 instead of hanging around them low life friends i started hanging out with the upper class friends ..
and guess what ??? they taught how to make money sitting on my ass residual income pretty much the same Game the people you so hate them ones living the real american DREAM
It was not handed to me i worked hard @ age 13 i was already making 220 bucks a day
@ 21 i already sold my first house and made 50 percent profit
when i go to the bank and want money i make a phone call its there i purchase i brand new car over the phone pick it up a week later its plated and ready for me to drive it of the lot lol

SEE kids some hard work dedication and the people you hang with that will either bring you to new levels or place you under a bridge either I dont give a fuck about anyone except my Family and close friends
Cause i choose to hang with people and learn how the system works and loop holes and most importantly how to make money when i am sitting on a beach or on a golf course living the dream
owe my final home bought n paid for 2.6 million worth its what its all about man money Power Difference between me and most is when your knees are shaking trying to get a loan , and me telling them here is a opportunity for your bank to make money
That is the truth lol
PS: fuck my Grammer i know how to spell MONEY shit my truck and SC606 ZR1 vette are 240,000 dollars lol its all about the MONEY i am a arrogant kunt and i love it, hard work got me there problem is everyone tends to think Government owes you something
DEATH N TAXES man shit play the game right and you can live the american DREAM
Shit i right off 25,000 in donations a year another great loop hole

 

[Rob Roy]

People who work under the table usually don't.

It's simple logic; if you don't like the government and you don't want to pay taxes, move. If you don't have the ability to do so, earn your way out. But in either case, put up or shut up. Debating the rationale of taxation is just silly. Debating the quantitative variables of taxation is another. You for example have a business with employees, and you pay tax. I'm sure you have things to say about the amount of taxation, and those are certainly debatable and you may very well have valid concerns. But Robby is flat out saying all taxation is coercion, thus debating the rationale of taxation, which again as stated earlier, is just silly.

Nice try at re-framing my words. I am saying, among other things, taxation is usually an intervention into a two party interaction by a coercive third party. Are you denying that?

 

[bu$hleaguer]

Your party will never win the white house ever again because of retards like you

Oh, honey, no. I'm not affiliated with any party, so I'm not sure what you mean. I don't like either, and I don't vote if I have to settle for the lesser of two evils. Don't attack me and call me names, I didn't stoop to that level.

 

[Darth Vapour]

Your party will never win the white house ever again because of retards like you

When are you guys ever going to learn that no matter which party goes into office nothing is going to change when others have them on a choke chain

 

[god1]

I hope we get a Republican in there who will abolish the IRS in lieu of a flat tax or consumption tax and allow individuals to take all or part of their social security contributions and invest it themselves, as they see fit. The feds can't even manage "Unaffordable Healthcare" or USPS much less keep their hands out of the SS coffers.

Add insult to injury, Congress is not required to pay into the system. Can you say "rigged"? I knew you could.

Flat tax ain't happening. Neither party has the stomach for tax reform. The flat taxes proposals that have been floated all have some built in offset. Just more political nonsense.

State employee pension programs also have the SS opt out clause. The interesting point is that SS is not a pension program.

I suppose the same idiots that believe minimum wage is a "livable" wage are the same guys who believe they can retire in their old age on SS alone.

My cut is, if it works for them fine, but don't complain when it doesn't work out.

 

[bu$hleaguer]

No disrespect, but the fuck you think I'm trying to do by highlighting all this?

You're not seeing the bigger picture. You, me, and millions of others could work until our fingers bled, every day, for 20 hours a day and we still wouldn't see the gains we've produced. For you or anyone to sit here and tell people they need to just work harder or longer for less money when those at the tip top work easier, shorter hours and see their incomes explode through systemic corruption in government is complete fucking nonsense.

Watch the clip I posted, it's 5 fucking minutes

I do see the bigger picture and I do see the gains I've produced as well. Me working hard helps me and the community I'm a part of. I don't blame anyone else for my troubles. I absolutely agree government is corrupt as shit- but I have no intention of changing how I do things because of it, sorry.

 

[Padawanbater2]

I do see the bigger picture and I do see the gains I've produced as well. Me working hard helps me and the community I'm a part of. I don't blame anyone else for my troubles. I absolutely agree government is corrupt as shit- but I have no intention of changing how I do things because of it, sorry.

You don't blame anyone else for your troubles because it doesn't seem like you're in a very troubling situation, unlike a very large portion of the US population, so hopefully you understand why this opinion might seem very selfish

In essence, you're saying it's OK for corporations to steal $.93 of every worker's dollar, and by your own admission, you wouldn't be OK with that..

 

[see4]

Nice try at re-framing my words. I am saying, among other things, taxation is usually an intervention into a two party interaction by a coercive third party. Are you denying that?

Before I can deny or affirm anything, I need to understand what it is that you are trying to say.

"...taxation is usually an intervention into a two party interaction by a coercive third party." - Not only does not make any sense whatsoever but is also quite bat-shit-crazy.

Try again. And this time, slow your brain down a notch, think about what it is you want to say, and present it to us as if the electrical synapses in your brain actually worked properly.

 

[see4]

Fuck my Grammer life is good in my neck of the woods .. See i learned long time ago fuck min wage fuck a lot of things from knowing a few very well of people i couod never figure out how in the fuck ,, i see these guys never working always golfing and driving nice rides.
So as all know we have friends that never become anything and some others that become doctors , lawyers etc then we have them few friends that more or less in your eyes are the Illuminati..
So by age 30 instead of hanging around them low life friends i started hanging out with the upper class friends ..
and guess what ??? they taught how to make money sitting on my ass residual income pretty much the same Game the people you so hate them ones living the real american DREAM
It was not handed to me i worked hard @ age 13 i was already making 220 bucks a day
@ 21 i already sold my first house and made 50 percent profit
when i go to the bank and want money i make a phone call its there i purchase i brand new car over the phone pick it up a week later its plated and ready for me to drive it of the lot lol

SEE kids some hard work dedication and the people you hang with that will either bring you to new levels or place you under a bridge either I dont give a fuck about anyone except my Family and close friends
Cause i choose to hang with people and learn how the system works and loop holes and most importantly how to make money when i am sitting on a beach or on a golf course living the dream
owe my final home bought n paid for 2.6 million worth its what its all about man money Power Difference between me and most is when your knees are shaking trying to get a loan , and me telling them here is a opportunity for your bank to make money
That is the truth lol
PS: fuck my Grammer i know how to spell MONEY shit my truck and SC606 ZR1 vette are 240,000 dollars lol its all about the MONEY i am a arrogant kunt and i love it, hard work got me there problem is everyone tends to think Government owes you something
DEATH N TAXES man shit play the game right and you can live the american DREAM
Shit i right off 25,000 in donations a year another great loop hole

Congratulations on being successful. But if you want people to take you seriously, you really need to brush up on your grammar.

 

[Darth Vapour]

The problem everyone is having in reality ,, Is there trying to keep up with the Jones .
i mean you got have tat big 80 plasma TV, that 900 dollar iphone the best ripped up designer jeans for 170.00 bucks lol .. and lets not forget them 500 designer sun glasses fuck i have walmart specials lol they work just as good lol..
I see it all the time a poor Chinese, or Pakistani family working for min wage come into a country and 4 - 5 years later there living the dream already in there new house and slowly building there future on min wage not purchasing luxury items .. But from saving and working up in stages .
But not the second generation US punk kid that thinks the world owes him something

 

[bu$hleaguer]

You don't blame anyone else for your troubles because it doesn't seem like you're in a very troubling situation, unlike a very large portion of the US population, so hopefully you understand why this opinion might seem very selfish

In essence, you're saying it's OK for corporations to steal $.93 of every worker's dollar, and by your own admission, you wouldn't be OK with that..

Hey, just watched your video! Anyway, I don't blame anyone else because it's not their problem. I was broke as a joke for a long time, I lived in shitholes with methhead roommates in fucking hostels for fucks sake, and I never cried about it. The answer is not simply "a stimulus" if times are rough, it's not simply raise the wages if people don't have money. Americans are huge pussies nowadays. Deal with it. Live with 6 people and share the fucking rent. I did.
Not trying to be a douche, but everyone cries out for handouts and something free instead of working for it. One of the bothering issues in my mind is that yes, jobs aren't as available as they once were, but Americans think they're too good for the jobs that are out there! There's definitely opportunities but everyone is entitled and too good for shit. If you're flipping burgers, keep flipping- but you're not worth $15/hour, sorry. You're worth $8, maybe. Get a second job, work overnight. Whatever. Don't cry that it's unfair, we all did it.

 

[Red1966]

i'm just getting at how much extra hourly you'd have to pay to get to $15 x hours worked..how much in payroll would that really be? less than $500 per week?

So he should take an extra $500 out of profit to pay his help? What if the store only profits $400 a week, which he pockets as his salary? He should let his family sleep under a bridge and borrow $100 a week from Guido, the loan shark?