The positive, economic effect of lowering the minimum wage to $0

Padawanbater2

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I guess you have a short memory. I don't go to church.
Who said anything about going to church?

I'm pointing out the glaring flaws in calling Obama a "runner" for ending the war in Iraq

Your ideology got hundreds of thousands of people killed and you still want to stay. Why don't you pick up a rifle and stand a post?
 

ChesusRice

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@Wavels, thank you, for finally engaging in this discussion with facts and not a three line riposte. I read the Cato institute article and had read the article by Sowell earlier. In both cases, they make a rather simplistic argument that a minimum wage causes unemployment. As far as the Cato article goes, they prove the old maxim that correlation does not prove causation.

Looking at the countries that Cato holds up as examples where no minimum wage "resulted" in higher employment, they neglect that these countries do have a minimum wage but its negotiated between industry councils and unions. Sweden for example has union representation for 70% of their workers. The other countries listed with no minimum wage also have strong union representation. The reasons for these countries good employment situation has nothing to do with a lack of a statutory minimum wage law, their minimum wages are set through collective bargaining.

If we look at the countries that have a statutory minimum wage, its quite low compared to minimum negotiated wages compared for the six "model" nations.

Time and again, this argument that minimum wages cause increased unemployment are pieced together with partial, cherry picked data. A closer look shows them to have no validity. There are economic models that also give backing to theory for why higher minimum wages aren't culprits in higher unemployment. I went over one of these arguments in a posting on this thread: https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-positive-economic-effect-of-lowering-the-minimum-wage-to-0.871917/page-4. The Sowell article is refuted in this posting. I won't go into it here but will be glad to rehash it if you want.

some back-up information:

Wikipedia entries on the six "no minimum wage countries listed in the Cato article:
Austria
, nationwide collective bargaining agreements set minimum wages by job classification for each industry and provide for a minimum wage of1,000 per month—Wages where no such collective agreements exist, such as for domestic workers, janitorial staff, and au pairs, are regulated in pertinent law and are generally lower than those covered by collective bargaining

Cyprus, €870 per month for shop assistants, nurses' assistants, clerks, hairdressers, and nursery assistants; it rises to €924 after six months' employment. For asylum seekers working as unskilled workers in the agricultural sector, the minimum monthly wage was 425 euros ($570) with accommodation and food provided. For skilled workers in the agricultural sector, the minimum salary was 767 euros ($1,040) without accommodation and food

Denmark, negotiated between unions and employer associations; the average minimum wage for all private and public sector collective bargaining agreements was approximately DKK 110 ($20) per hour, exclusive of pension benefits.

Finland, the law requires all employers, including non-unionized ones, to pay minimum wages agreed to in collective bargaining agreements; almost all workers are covered under such arrangements

Germany, €8.50 per hour. A higher minimum wage is often set by collective bargaining agreements and enforceable by law.

Italy, instead set through collective bargaining agreements on a sector-by-sector basis

Sweden, set by annual collective bargaining contracts

Minimum wages in countries that have mandated them:

Among the 22 member states that have national minimum wages, Eurostat has divided them into three main groups. In January 2015, ten countries had minimum wages below €500 per month: Bulgaria (€184), Romania (€218), Lithuania (€300), the Czech Republic (€332), Hungary (€333), Latvia (€360), Slovakia (€380), Estonia (€390), Croatia (€396) and Poland (€410).

In five other member states, minimum wages were between €500 and €1,000 per month: Portugal (€589), Greece (€684), Malta (€720), Spain (€757) and Slovenia (€791).
That was posted at least twice by me in the last 3 Years.

You are wasting your time. The right wing on this forum is straight up fucking retarded and anti American
 

nitro harley

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Who said anything about going to church?

I'm pointing out the glaring flaws in calling Obama a "runner" for ending the war in Iraq

Your ideology got hundreds of thousands of people killed and you still want to stay. Why don't you pick up a rifle and stand a post?
So BarryO is a runner too? This position BarryO holds for calling it a war anymore is up for discussion. I don't know what the fuck his master plan is anymore. It looks like he is just being a bobble head.
 

see4

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His actions on giving back enemy leaders for a runner was the point of looking like a traitor. But I can tell you run from that question kinda like the runner we are talking about. so never mind.
What do you mean, "giving back enemy leaders for a runner". Be specific. Your wishy-washy bullshit is not making sense.
 

see4

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Chalk up what ever the fuck you want dude. I have a feeling you all ready figured it out.
No, seriously, I have no idea what you are talking about. Why don't you explain it?

I asked you to explain it, and your response was, "you'll figure it out". Do you want me to read your mind or something? Do I have to ask you questions like I would a 5 year old, to get it out of you?

Suck it up, think about what it is that you want to say, and explain it to us. How is President Obama a traitor? And what the fuck does, "giving back enemy leaders for a runner", mean?
 

londonfog

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No, seriously, I have no idea what you are talking about. Why don't you explain it?

I asked you to explain it, and your response was, "you'll figure it out". Do you want me to read your mind or something? Do I have to ask you questions like I would a 5 year old, to get it out of you?

Suck it up, think about what it is that you want to say, and explain it to us. How is President Obama a traitor? And what the fuck does, "giving back enemy leaders for a runner", mean?
Fox news will have to tell him how to respond to your questions. He is lost in this thing we call politics. Ask him about something he knows. Like the best way to scale a fish or something.
 

see4

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Fox news will have to tell him how to respond to your questions. He is lost in this thing we call politics. Ask him about something he knows. Like the best way to scale a fish or something.
At least he knows when he's defeated. He quietly skulks back to the hole from which he came.
 

theexpress

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Democrats are the only ones in government concerned with ending the drug war, you can thank republican policy for every unintentional death caused by the sale or acquisition of illegal drugs, including every overdose
Democrats make more stupid drug and gun and other laws instead of enforcing what's on the books already
 

theexpress

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Just seems to me that democrats want to bankrupt everything or want it to fail so they can take it over and run it themselves. At least from were I'm standing
 

Padawanbater2

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Democrats make more stupid drug and gun and other laws instead of enforcing what's on the books already
Believe whatever bullshit you want, man. Democrats are the only ones in the government fighting to end the drug war. How many republicans can you name that want to end the war on drugs?

And you believe you should be free to walk around with whatever kind of gun you want, so any imposition on anything that prevents that you view as an assault on the 2nd amendment
 

nitro harley

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No, seriously, I have no idea what you are talking about. Why don't you explain it?

I asked you to explain it, and your response was, "you'll figure it out". Do you want me to read your mind or something? Do I have to ask you questions like I would a 5 year old, to get it out of you?

Suck it up, think about what it is that you want to say, and explain it to us. How is President Obama a traitor? And what the fuck does, "giving back enemy leaders for a runner", mean?
If you have no idea what I am talking about, There would be no sense in helping you figure it out. But thanks for repeating what counts.
 

see4

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If you have no idea what I am talking about, There would be no sense in helping you figure it out. But thanks for repeating what counts.
Ok, so you've conceded that your claim is bullshit and completely unfounded. Thanks for sharing.

You obviously have no grasp of the meaning of debate. Which makes sense, you being a trauma victim and all.
 
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