Lets talk actual substance of 2016 presidential candidates campaign platforms

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schuylaar

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nitro harley said:
I am rooting for Bernie for now but unsure about his platform. I am hoping he hangs in there long enough to find out more about him. I am totally unsure with the GOP side at the moment also. We will have to wait and see. You said that Bernie is for a single payer HC guy, I might like that, but not sure how it will be paid for yet. So I am still watching.
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here you go! https://berniesanders.com/issues/

now all you have to do is take your pointer and press click.

this is less movement than responding back to my post.

how long will it take you to read this so i may check back with you?
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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nitro harley said:
I am rooting for Bernie for now but unsure about his platform. I am hoping he hangs in there long enough to find out more about him. I am totally unsure with the GOP side at the moment also. We will have to wait and see. You said that Bernie is for a single payer HC guy, I might like that, but not sure how it will be paid for yet. So I am still watching.
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I posted his platform in the OP of this very thread..
 
nitro harley

nitro harley

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schuylaar said:
here you go! https://berniesanders.com/issues/

now all you have to do is take your pointer and press click.

this is less movement than responding back to my post.

how long will it take you to read this so i may check back with you?
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Well Sky.

I agree with some and some I don't. He says the economy has gotten better, I hope he isn't going by the record stock market because to me it was the only game in town for people with cash sitting around doing nothing. When I see the store fronts filling up again and the real unemployment numbers come down including the people that had the benefits come to an end, then at that time I will think the economy is better.

I witnessed the green energy people rip off the tax payers for over two hundred million with a pipe dream of ocean powered wave energy generators. And now they want to put wind mills in the ocean, which is another pipe dream which will end the same way the wave energy generators did. Nearly every year I see winds of 100mph off of the oregon coast with 30/50 foot seas so it is asinine for green people to have any plans when dealing with the ocean, because all they care about is spending the money to support some dream that will never work.

I see solar power working really good here in Hawaii so I would back that up because it works.

I do like the idea of public money for elections to where everybody gets the same amount.

We will continue this as I read more.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Rob Roy said:
Why do you think the nature of an act, even a heinous one, negates the possibility it may have been consented to by the participants?
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why do you think it is even possible for children to consent to being paid for sex, you sick pedo fuck?


desert dude said:
I agree. A fever has to peak before it breaks. We need a communist pulling the levers of power in the US.
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communism, original.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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Padawanbater2 said:
As DD has the TMZ of the politics section pretty much covered, I thought it would be interesting as well as more informative for the rest of us to talk about the candidates actual positions and why you support or oppose them

I'll be supporting Bernie Sanders for president

He's essentially the perfect candidate for any left leaning/liberal person (which is why the conservatives won't stop crying about him)

-opposes the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP): he believes it will increase economic disparity, lower wages and make American workers compete with lower paid citizens of the countries included in the deal and have a more detrimental effect than NAFTA did for the American middle class

-supports free college for students: he believes students shouldn't be burdened with outrageous amounts of debt they can never possibly pay off just for earning an education. His plan is to tax high frequency trading at a rate of over $200 billion a year, affecting only those in the financial sector (Wall street) at the very top of the income bracket (0.1% of the American population) to eliminate the burden and ensure any American who wants an education has the ability to get one

-supports raising the minimum wage to $15/hour: "The good news is that the economy today is much better than when President George W. Bush left office. The bad news is that despite improvements the 40-year decline of the American middle class continues. Real unemployment is much too high, tens of millions of Americans still lack health insurance, and more of our friends and neighbors are living in poverty than at almost any time in the modern history of our country.

Meanwhile, as the rich become much richer, the level of income and wealth inequality has reached obscene and astronomical levels. In the United States, we have one of the most unequal wealth and income distributions of any major country on earth. Our inequality is worse now than at any other time in American history since the 1920s. Today, the top one-tenth of 1 percent of our nation owns almost as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent combined. One family, the Walton family of Walmart, owns more wealth than the bottom 42 percent combined. In terms of income, nearly all of the new growth since the recession has gone to the top 1 percent.

At a time when millions of American workers have seen declines in their incomes and are working longer hours for lower wages, the wealth of the billionaire class is soaring in a way that few can imagine. If you can believe it, between 2013 and 2015, the 14 wealthiest individuals in the country saw their net worth increase by over $157 billion dollars. We live in the one of the wealthiest countries on earth, yet children go hungry, veterans sleep out on the streets and senior citizens cannot afford their prescription drugs. This is what a rigged economic system looks like."
-supports getting big money out of politics: "Freedom of speech does not mean the freedom to buy the United States government. Oil companies, pharmaceutical manufacturers, Wall Street bankers and other powerful special interests have poured money into our political system for years. In 2010, a bad situation turned worse. In a 5-4 decision in the Citizens United case, the Supreme Court opened the floodgates for corporations and the wealthy to spend unlimited and undisclosed money to buy our elected officials. The Supreme Court essentially declared that corporations have the same rights as natural-born human beings.

Our democracy is under fierce attack. Billionaire families are now able to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to buy the candidates of their choice. These people own most of the economy. Now they want to own our government as well. The Koch brothers, the second wealthiest family in America, plan to spend some $900 million in the coming 2016 election — more money than either of our major parties spent in the last election. That is not democracy. That is oligarchy. To restore our one person-one vote democracy, Congress must pass a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United and move toward public funding of elections."

  • Introduced the Democracy Is for People amendment to overturn the Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision.

  • Voted for the DISCLOSE Act to shine a light on the exorbitant amounts of dark money in our politics.

  • Promised that any Sanders Administration Supreme Court nominee must commit to overturning the disastrous Citizens United decision.
-Climate Change and the Environment: "The United States must lead the world in tackling climate change to make certain that this planet is habitable for our children and grandchildren. We must transform our energy system away from polluting fossil fuels and towards energy efficiency and sustainability. Millions of homes and buildings need to be weatherized and we need to greatly accelerate technological progress in wind and solar power generation.

Unless we take bold action to address climate change, our children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren are going to look back on this period in history and ask a very simple question: Where were they? Why didn’t the United States of America, the most powerful nation on earth, lead the international community in cutting greenhouse gas emissions and preventing the devastating damage that the scientific community was sure would come?"

  • Introduced the gold standard for climate change legislation with Sen. Barbara Boxer to tax carbon and methane emissions.

  • Led the opposition to the Keystone XL pipeline.

  • Secured $3.2 billion in the economic stimulus package to fund grants to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in a program that has funded upgrades for more than 86,000 buildings and installed more than 9,500 solar energy systems.



What are the most important issues to you this election cycle, and which candidate do you believe will best accomplish solving them?
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You couldve just said "cos he's a lefty like me" instead of typing all those pointless words.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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Padawanbater2 said:
Why are you so concerned with me or how I talk or what I say?

"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." -Eleanor Roosevelt
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I don't even necessarily disagree with alot of Bernie's ideals, he's just completely unelectable (in the US today) and the complete fellation of him despite him being opposed to essentially everything you idiots have been worshipping the last 7 years is delicious irony I can't stop drinking from.

That explain my position clearly enough for you or has your $900 a month gone to your head?
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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desert dude said:
I agree. A fever has to peak before it breaks. We need a communist pulling the levers of power in the US.
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You need to check your dictionary more often- and actually read it this time. Socialism is what Bernie stands for, the difference being totalitarianism.... which is what republicans have been perpetrating against America's poor... which would support the current state of fascism.

Learn your definitions and then we can let you back into the discussion. Until then, you'll be relegated to the back of the bus with the other illiterates.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Harrekin said:
I don't even necessarily disagree with alot of Bernie's ideals, he's just completely unelectable (in the US today) and the complete fellation of him despite him being opposed to essentially everything you idiots have been worshipping the last 7 years is delicious irony I can't stop drinking from.

That explain my position clearly enough for you or has your $900 a month gone to your head?
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Quote one single post I've ever shown support for Hillary Clinton... One

You can't, because I haven't, and you just pulled that out of your ass
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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ttystikk said:
Don't be so sure of that. Even if the results might be a shit show in congress, I'd vote for him AND I think he's electable!
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Not to mention Democrats make up ~65% of the population, Republicans make up ~35%. Sanders would win the general if he won the primary, especially against any of the current republican candidates
 
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schuylaar

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nitro harley said:
Well Sky.

I agree with some and some I don't. He says the economy has gotten better, I hope he isn't going by the record stock market because to me it was the only game in town for people with cash sitting around doing nothing. When I see the store fronts filling up again and the real unemployment numbers come down including the people that had the benefits come to an end, then at that time I will think the economy is better.

I witnessed the green energy people rip off the tax payers for over two hundred million with a pipe dream of ocean powered wave energy generators. And now they want to put wind mills in the ocean, which is another pipe dream which will end the same way the wave energy generators did. Nearly every year I see winds of 100mph off of the oregon coast with 30/50 foot seas so it is asinine for green people to have any plans when dealing with the ocean, because all they care about is spending the money to support some dream that will never work.

I see solar power working really good here in Hawaii so I would back that up because it works.

I do like the idea of public money for elections to where everybody gets the same amount.

We will continue this as I read more.
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open mind is what i ask..nothing more..vote your conscience..bernie is leading a path where hillary isn't really saying much..bernie's path will lead us to warren, hildebrand, booker and the other up and comers..to a new nation, where freedom and being able to afford to live, is for all, not just some.
 
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god1

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How many of you subscribe to the zero sum gain concept when it comes to wealth?

What is stopping any of you from personally achieving wealth? Don't talk about somebody else, but your case specifically.

Just curious.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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god1 said:
How many of you subscribe to the zero sum gain concept when it comes to wealth?

What is stopping any of you from personally achieving wealth? Don't talk about somebody else, but your case specifically.

Just curious.
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Well buddy, now you're talking about what I've been doing my own research on. Turns out that starting and building your own business or enterprise is exceedingly difficult and the deck is stacked against you at pretty much every turn- especially when it comes to large multinational politically connected 'competitors' in the marketplace.

What this country needs isn't 'free markets' but A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD FOR ALL, not just those who can afford to line the pockets of Senators.

After all, ANY newcomer is unwelcome competition, right? Coincidence? Of course not.
 
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