6ixclouds First Grow - 322w CFL

[6ixclouds]

Hey RIU! Gotta say a HUGE thank you to all those on this forum who make it their job to educate others. I've been a lurker on these forums for a bit just soaking up so much great information (and trying to decide what is utter bs lol ... lot of that too) and being in awe of what some people can do with this plant. Never really thought i could grow my own before, but reading up here really gave me that confidence to just go for it .. so here we are! Im not going with HID due to ventilation / heat/ electricity issues, it's just not an option as of now for me. BUDGET grow. Setup is as follows:

Strains : 1x Sensi seeds Purple Bud (Afghani F1 X Jamaican Sativa) X (Hndu Kush x PK)
1x Barneys Farm Cookies Kush ... (GSC x Rollex OG)

Grow Space : 24" x 80" x 63" Tall GHETTO Closet (lol)

Lights : 6x 5000k 23w CFL, 8x 2700k 23w CFL, 22750 total lumens (May add more for flowering)

Ventilation : None. Air circulated with one 17.5" fan to blow air through canopy and one 6" Clip fan to keep lights cool / for more circulation.

Pots : One 3.8 Gal. nursery pot, One pot I threw in after, about same volume (maybe bigger)

Medium : 80% Promix Organic Herb & vegetable 20% Perlite in the 3.8 gal, other is 50% Promix, 40% AP Garden soil 10% Perlite (didn't plan on a second plant)

Nutes : Plant-Prod All purpose 20-20-20

And that's pretty much it lol, far from special but so far it seems to be getting the job done! Ill post progress next ... so may pics lol.

Hope to see some along for the bumpy ass ride lol. Any feedback is welcome, even if its slinging shit about how ugly this grow is haha. Peace!

 

[6ixclouds]

Heres progress so far, I'm going to skip some days for my patience's sake. Forgot to mention these are fem seeds.

No pics of the germ, but germed paper towel method for the Purple Bud 05/08, showed tap root 05/09 and planted that evening. The CK wasnt in the plans yet.

Purpy (Puple Bud) Day 1 (05/10)

Day 4, Happy lil' Purpy (05/14)

Day 6 (05/16)

** Day 7 (05/17) No pics, decided to tip 1 CK seed from the bag it came in straight into soil
Day 8 (05/10)
CK's pot seen on right

Day 9 (05/19) - Saw some stuff i thought was PM on leaves but it has since went away... as soon as i thought it was pm i watched the shite out of the temps + humidity in my room and that seems to have helped

Day 10 (05/20) - Right before transplant! No pic of it but the roots were at the bottom of cup, just barely starting to circle it seems it was perfect time to transplant.

CK also broke soil while i was sleeping
Day 13 (05/23) - Spaced on pics for a few days after transplant, as well as first few days of Trippy the CK's life.



Day 15 (05/25) - Topped 'er, cant believe i didnt get pics of EVERYTHING for future ref....

This is right before I did something to really mess up the ck. I was worried about the "PM" I saw and used a light solution of H2O2. Dont know if that was what screwed er up but it must have did something ... gotta put the rest of the pics in another post.

 

[6ixclouds]

Day 17 (05/27) - Just a pic to try and show node spacing ... a bout an inch or less consistently which im really happy about. This plant is staying bushy just how I want it to. Pic also shows topping coming in (which I missed up later like the stoned idiot i am )


Day 18 Purpy, Day 8 CK (05/2 - Does anyone know what causes the leave to curl like that? I read it could be overwatering But i wait for the soil to be thouroughly dry before i water. I've fed a very llow stregth feed once and she showed only positive signs. The CK though ... is wierd. the first set of true leaves look mangled, and the new growth comes in at a very yellowish green before fading to the expected dark green after ... the green comes in from the middle of the leaf first to the edges last. Could be the crappy all purpose soil in the mix? IDK


Day 19 (05/29) - Decided to do a (very unecessary) LST on her ... i planted her off centre in the pot and pulled her over to centre her ... I took it off next day though. Topping WAS coming in nicely... Until ...

**Day 20 No pics, but took lst off of main stem and lst'd new tops to opp. sides of the pot. It looked good and wouldve went FINE! (i know it) but i pulled one of the stems too hard and .... snap
AAAAND HERE WE ARE.

DAY 21 Purpy, Day 11 CK. ( 05/31 ) - After the lst FAIL I'm back to one top after making the plant put its energy into growing a new one out ... waste of time. Oh well! It'll stress her a bit but shes a trooper shell pull thru it! I attemted to fim Trippy will be in her next pic so lets hope we get 4 on her to replace the one I broke off Purpy. Here's My girls as of this morning



My biggest issue is the weird wrinkly leaves Purpy has in some spots and Trippy's odd yellow- before green new growth, Purpy also has some minor brown spots too on 1 or 2 older leaves' tips but the new growth looks good so ill just keep a close eye. Think i'm gonna go ahead and feed again next watering, still a fraction of the recomendation though. Any ideas on what this is? If better pics are needed ill get 'em no prob!

Well, there we go, all up to date. I will update this thread regularly from now on for play by play on my ladies as they grow, hopefully some of you out there in RIU land will join me! Any opinions, suggestions, critique whatever is more than welcome, the more the merrier right?

Right. haha that's it for now i guess, Good vibes out to anyone reading this, and to ALL of riu's grows

,

6ix

 

[6ixclouds]

Ok, heres an update. Seems like new day, new problem lol. Purpys been a beast tho ... taken everything Ive thrown like it nothin' fed her 3/4 nutes, saw a bit of clawing on the tips of leaves but it's going away so im just watching. Shes been doing greatI counted 9 tops, one of them is a tripod! I was surprised, i was just reading about triploid genes the other day... haha cool coincidence. I might have to clone this baby.... Maybe. I've been lsting her without wires, just grabbing and bending tops till there even workin good, Just more tedious but gives me an excuse to fuck with em haha. Trippy? different story LOL Weird plant. Stretchy, growing in a spiral i think? Curled edges that wont go away when i lower the temp .... (which at 80 anyways ... not overly high), showed what i thought were male balls (on 24/0)........ stupid long fan leaves.... just weird i think its genetics cause they both supposed to be indicas and purpys happy so. Imma let her be for now, FIM is coming in without issues. Have a bad feeling shell herm and ill have to kill er though. Heres them pics!

 

[6ixclouds]

Day 26 and DAMNN purp blew UP after that feeding holy shit . I dont know if i should say these girls but at least purpy is stankkk every time i go to bend over stems she just smells like fresh dank, you can tell its a kush plant This shit is fun. 12/12 in about a week or so, im starting to get a littttle EXCITED. (Btw in pot is cucumber wrapped in tinfoil, natural gnat control a la @FrozenChozen. Saw a few, put em in change em every 2 days, havent seen one since)

 

[6ixclouds]

Update, Day 30 Purp, Day 20 Cookies
Liking how it's going, the plants seem to be pretty happy. Other than where I fried one of the cookies' new tops lol, knew I'd need 4 more. I love everything the purps doing, nice and bushy n spreading out nice, im going to flip the lights to 12/12 soon, just trying to get tops as far out as i can so i can use my light better. May give er one more week and see then what i think. I think the cookies is gonna herm or something cause of those balls I saw earlier and how tall it got before I tied her(?) down, its growing well though so i hope it doesn't!
Did i mention yet that im probably having too much fun with this? lol here's pics

Purp top view

Purp Stem

Purp Side

Purp 3 - Leaf Branch (theres 3 of them i think)

Cookies

Cookies Stem

Cookies FIM

 

[6ixclouds]

In good shape for sure! .. some spotting, some light burns but green healthy plants ... i keep wanting to flip lol but i'm waiting til ive trained the man tops and "side branches" to catch all available light, and that should give the little branches at the nodes time to mature. Seems like either way I look at it hthough at the most this time next week them lights are goin! HELL YEAH pics closer to then!

 

[SPLFreak808]

Nice little grow going on. If you can make some sort of C02 release product it will really really help with high temps in a room with no outside air circulation. Have fun with the cfl's! Dont let them girls grow to the point of diminishing returns lol. Need like 900watts of cfl's to get a 3-4 ounces from them girls.

 

[6ixclouds]

Thanks SPLFreak! first post!! I definitely will look into that CO2! Would it make them outgrow the lights? Temps are 74 - 82 since I added a 6 inch fan to blow the heat up off top of plants but it would probably help as its gonna start to get alot warmer outside soon and that'll make it hotter in here. I definitely am having alot of fun though, Its going awesome and I'm already planning what I want to do when I switch to 600w HID lol. Much more powerful, 100k lumens of plant growing goodness sounds better than 20k for SURE lol... Already wish I got a 400 switchable system to start, going for like 150 on amazon.That there is probably a great tip too, I'd rather have a bit less good bud than a bit more crappy bud in the end! My conditions are far from perfect so I'll be pretty interested to see how much I get, and really I wont be dissapointed as long as i get these girls to harvest lol! Plus these cfll splitters and things can be for side lighting later down the road when I can do it right which is good. That being said though, I've seen grows where people have done some crazy things, on YT theres a 276 watt cfl RDWC SCROG with one special kush and the guy ended up with about 5 zips! This scentence is the link! (Wont be my grow but pretty cool haha)

Thanks for stopping by!

EDIT: 2 plant RDWC lol

 

[SPLFreak808]

Thanks SPLFreak! first post!! I definitely will look into that CO2! Would it make them outgrow the lights? Temps are 74 - 82 since I added a 6 inch fan to blow the heat up off top of plants but it would probably help as its gonna start to get alot warmer outside soon and that'll make it hotter in here. I definitely am having alot of fun though, Its going awesome and I'm already planning what I want to do when I switch to 600w HID lol. Much more powerful, 100k lumens of plant growing goodness sounds better than 20k for SURE lol... Already wish I got a 400 switchable system to start, going for like 150 on amazon.That there is probably a great tip too, I'd rather have a bit less good bud than a bit more crappy bud in the end! My conditions are far from perfect so I'll be pretty interested to see how much I get, and really I wont be dissapointed as long as i get these girls to harvest lol! Plus these cfll splitters and things can be for side lighting later down the road when I can do it right which is good. That being said though, I've seen grows where people have done some crazy things, on YT theres a 276 watt cfl RDWC SCROG with one special kush and the guy ended up with about 5 zips! This scentence is the link! (Wont be my grow but pretty cool haha)

Thanks for stopping by!

EDIT: 2 plant RDWC lol

135g dry is ALOT for 270 watts of cfl's. Its very hard to do .5 gpw without 1600lumen 23w bulbs and even with 23w bulbs .5 gpw is only found from the center of the plant on the highest point. The whole reason i still use cfl's for flowering is because i like to experiment. .5gpw is a hard real world number to hit from experience. Can be done but that would mean the buds in the center would have to be fat ass 1gpw nugs to make up for the .3gpw on the sides and .2gpw in the middle. Lol yes it works like that. Penetration is a bitch lol and thats with lst"ed and topped plants

 

[6ixclouds]

135g dry is ALOT for 270 watts of cfl's. Its very hard to do .5 gpw without 1600lumen 23w bulbs and even with 23w bulbs .5 gpw is only found from the center of the plant on the highest point. The whole reason i still use cfl's for flowering is because i like to experiment. .5gpw is a hard real world number to hit from experience. Can be done but that would mean the buds in the center would have to be fat ass 1gpw nugs to make up for the .3gpw on the sides and .2gpw in the middle. Lol yes it works like that. Penetration is a bitch lol and thats with lst"ed and topped plants

I know, its nuts! It was his first grow too... he did ALOT of research and planned to a T tho so i can see why that guy got that. I definitely dont expect .5 gpw at all ... he was using a hydro method too so that definitely helped the growth. I do have those cfls though, more lumens/watt with the smaller ones whichis good. I really dont know what to expect but i wouldn't say ill get better than .3 gpw maximum. I know what you mean though these dont have good intensity so i always try to keep them as close as possible, and ive been doing selective defoliation and it seems to be helping but ill have to see about that in flower lol .... have a feeling illrun into my fair share of problems for sure.

Update, Day 35 Purp Day 25 Cookies

 

[SPLFreak808]

I know, its nuts! It was his first grow too... he did ALOT of research and planned to a T tho so i can see why that guy got that. I definitely dont expect .5 gpw at all ... he was using a hydro method too so that definitely helped the growth. I do have those cfls though, more lumens/watt with the smaller ones whichis good. I really dont know what to expect but i wouldn't say ill get better than .3 gpw maximum. I know what you mean though these dont have good intensity so i always try to keep them as close as possible, and ive been doing selective defoliation and it seems to be helping but ill have to see about that in flower lol .... have a feeling illrun into my fair share of problems for sure.

Update, Day 35 Purp Day 25 Cookies
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You will get smoke back thats all that matters! 330 real watts 6500/2700k organic 3.5g smart pot, 35grams dry lol. My mistake was not enough phosphorus in early flower. Id say 40-45 grams was possible. Just wanted to share btw, those fat middle colas only had 23w 1600 lumen bulbs within 1" per top. The sides had 67 watt 4000 lumen bulbs, the size difference was caused by the light loss through a bigger bulb that stuck out of the reflector

 

[6ixclouds]

You will get smoke back thats all that matters! 330 real watts 6500/2700k organic 3.5g smart pot, 35grams dry lol . My mistake was not enough phosphorus in early flower. Id say 40-45 grams was possible. Just wanted to share btw, those fat middle colas only had 23w 1600 lumen bulbs within 1" per top. The sides had 67 watt 4000 lumen bulbs, the size difference was caused by the light loss through a bigger bulb that stuck out of the reflector]

No doubt, as long as i dont do anything really dumb lol, i'll be damn excited when the time comes for sure. That's pretty much the exact specs of my lighting and pot so im guessing i could hit that or slightly less(hopefully not too much less tho, lol) Thanks for sharing SPL! THat gives me a better idea on what to expect. She looks bomb as hell, I hope mine turns out like that ill be happier than a pig in shit lol. i'll bet that smoke was pretty nice, huh? Looks dense and real frosty, what strain is she? Awesome job that beats alot i've seen! Do you have a journal? I'd love to learn from your grow. On the bulbs, so are you saying that those particular colas would have done better if it was say 2 of the smaller ones instead? Or just a bigger reflector?

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[SPLFreak808]

No doubt, as long as i dont do anything really dumb lol, i'll be damn excited when the time comes for sure. That's pretty much the exact specs of my lighting and pot so im guessing i could hit that or slightly less(hopefully not too much less tho, lol) Thanks for sharing SPL! THat gives me a better idea on what to expect. She looks bomb as hell, I hope mine turns out like that ill be happier than a pig in shit lol. i'll bet that smoke was pretty nice, huh? Looks dense and real frosty, what strain is she? Awesome job that beats alot i've seen! Do you have a journal? I'd love to learn from your grow. On the bulbs, so are you saying that those particular colas would have done better if it was say 2 of the smaller ones instead? Or just a bigger reflector?

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What fucking weirded me out was, it is/was insanely strong for an afghani bag seed under cfl's, it sits me down and i just phase out on everything very dab like feeling lol taste like spicy afghani oranges. That was with organic soil and organic (somewhat) nutes. If you are using synthetics, expect a little more yield. I have 4000 watts of super hps! Yet, the cfl buds turned out so damn premium im vegging and flowering the same ones again so i can do a nug run to get an idea of potency vs other nug runs i did. Bren screwing with blue dream for 2 years and that afghani since january this year. See how the fat bulbs stick out of the reflector? Also bigger bulbs have less efficiency meaning less output per watt compared to the smaller ones. The 3 fat colas were grown under them 3 23w cfl's. The side 67watt cfl's rasied my electric bill more then it raised my yield lol

 

[6ixclouds]

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What fucking weirded me out was, it is/was insanely strong for an afghani bag seed under cfl's, it sits me down and i just phase out on everything very dab like feeling lol taste like spicy afghani oranges. That was with organic soil and organic (somewhat) nutes. If you are using synthetics, expect a little more yield. I have 4000 watts of super hps! Yet, the cfl buds turned out so damn premium im vegging and flowering the same ones again so i can do a nug run to get an idea of potency vs other nug runs i did. Bren screwing with blue dream for 2 years and that afghani since january this year. See how the fat bulbs stick out of the reflector? Also bigger bulbs have less efficiency meaning less output per watt compared to the smaller ones. The 3 fat colas were grown under them 3 23w cfl's. The side 67watt cfl's rasied my electric bill more then it raised my yield lol

Lol thats a bag seed? DAMN you mustve lucked the fuck out haha that look so nice! And mmm that sounds like some perfect smoke to me, i love that KO, stoney shit. Looks like cfls can get you some damn surprising smoke though maybe just yield that suffers i'm thinkning. Think the organic has alot to do witht he quality of that smoke though? I guess your test there will tell a bit, id be interested to hear about it. I'm using organic soil with micorrhizae as well, but i might as well not be cause im using synthetic nutes and i didnt know when i bought it that its all about the microbes and such in organics. THey seem to LOVE the nutes though every time i feed they go nuts! And JEEZ! that sounds like bud heaven and maintainance hell lol. Phew just pictuing a sea of buds.... lmfao. That must say something about these little things then, if you even find it worth the effort to flower somethin under em. I see what you mean though, tthe way the reflectors are the little ones have all of their light shining right at the bud. N lmfao i'm definitely glad i went with the 23s then, cause i dont have the individual reflectors so i need the most efficiency out of the bulbs i can get.

 

[SPLFreak808]

Lol thats a bag seed? DAMN you mustve lucked the fuck out haha that look so nice! And mmm that sounds like some perfect smoke to me, i love that KO, stoney shit. Looks like cfls can get you some damn surprising smoke though maybe just yield that suffers i'm thinkning. Think the organic has alot to do witht he quality of that smoke though? I guess your test there will tell a bit, id be interested to hear about it. I'm using organic soil with micorrhizae as well, but i might as well not be cause im using synthetic nutes and i didnt know when i bought it that its all about the microbes and such in organics. THey seem to LOVE the nutes though every time i feed they go nuts! And JEEZ! that sounds like bud heaven and maintainance hell lol. Phew just pictuing a sea of buds.... lmfao. That must say something about these little things then, if you even find it worth the effort to flower somethin under em. I see what you mean though, tthe way the reflectors are the little ones have all of their light shining right at the bud. N lmfao i'm definitely glad i went with the 23s then, cause i dont have the individual reflectors so i need the most efficiency out of the bulbs i can get.

No such thing as bad weed if grown correctly. Especially bag seed, those are the best ones, the plant it came from wanted to be sure its genetics and life cycle repeated so it hermied at the end of flower. The seed it produced is what i grew and it did not hermie. Most people say you cant tell the taste difference from organic and synthetic. I can, but mind you i am a horrible synthetic grower but its soo easy to grow with synthetics. You only feed when you see a deficiency, with organic you kind of have to time you're nutrients sometimes 4 weeks in advanced lol, Also the spectrum of the lights used was similar to a hortilux blue bulb, however flowering with a hortilux blue would smoke the cfl's in both bud/terp quality and yield. i find that funny you killed the microherd with synthetics, dont worry i did the same thing with h202 in ocean forest a year ago lol.

 

[6ixclouds]

No such thing as bad weed if grown correctly. Especially bag seed, those are the best ones, the plant it came from wanted to be sure its genetics and life cycle repeated so it hermied at the end of flower. The seed it produced is what i grew and it did not hermie. Most people say you cant tell the taste difference from organic and synthetic. I can, but mind you i am a horrible synthetic grower but its soo easy to grow with synthetics. You only feed when you see a deficiency, with organic you kind of have to time you're nutrients sometimes 4 weeks in advanced lol, Also the spectrum of the lights used was similar to a hortilux blue bulb, however flowering with a hortilux blue would smoke the cfl's in both bud/terp quality and yield. i find that funny you killed the microherd with synthetics, dont worry i did the same thing with h202 in ocean forest a year ago lol.

That seems so true! Looks like random bag seeds can be gems and the best genetics can end up shit depending on whose hands their in lol. And really? I've heard bad things about hermied seeds but also never had it explained that way n that makes alot of sense, self-preservation of strong genetics. She was gonna damn well make em seeds w/ male or not lmfao. Proof is always in the pudding and that pudding looks delicious to me! I have around 70 or so bagseeds that ive collected kickin around somewhere cuase i always thought id grow one day, a hunt will be in order lol. I could see why organic would taste better and ill definitely go there in the future but these nutes are working well. They get em every water but every 3rd about 1/8th strength and i flush the pot w it. Thats trippy though! Isn't organics harder? I mean it seems harder to burn plants with how slow the nutes are but 4 weeks in advance?! have a feeling im just not experieced enough yet to plan it all out lol. Those ones in the very middle were cfls?! They were so blue they look like some sort of UV light! I wouldn't doubt at all that the hortilux would kill em for sure ... i feel like when i switch to hid ill be pissed that i didnt start with em lmfao. It's even funnier cause i've used h2o2 on these plants too lmfao. For me at least, Its definiely just noob syndrome, and not understanding what organics is or how it works lol. haha 'W00T ORGANIC SOIL! S00 H34LTHY!" *proceeds to pour chemicals on living organisms*

 

[6ixclouds]

Pretty sure i'm going to flip tomorrow morning! Also accidentaly broke a branch while lsting the cookies so it's now my first attempt at cloning lol, threw it in the top of a bottle of water with a small air hose to aerate it and illl see what it does! If it takes itll end up outside for sure. Really worried about the cookies cause she was throwing balls at about the start of week 3 veg ... only on one branch but still ... i bought fem seeds so i wouldnt have to worry about this lol oh well, time will tell and is telling so we'll see

 

[SPLFreak808]

That seems so true! Looks like random bag seeds can be gems and the best genetics can end up shit depending on whose hands their in lol. And really? I've heard bad things about hermied seeds but also never had it explained that way n that makes alot of sense, self-preservation of strong genetics. She was gonna damn well make em seeds w/ male or not lmfao. Proof is always in the pudding and that pudding looks delicious to me! I have around 70 or so bagseeds that ive collected kickin around somewhere cuase i always thought id grow one day, a hunt will be in order lol. I could see why organic would taste better and ill definitely go there in the future but these nutes are working well. They get em every water but every 3rd about 1/8th strength and i flush the pot w it. Thats trippy though! Isn't organics harder? I mean it seems harder to burn plants with how slow the nutes are but 4 weeks in advance?! have a feeling im just not experieced enough yet to plan it all out lol. Those ones in the very middle were cfls?! They were so blue they look like some sort of UV light! I wouldn't doubt at all that the hortilux would kill em for sure ... i feel like when i switch to hid ill be pissed that i didnt start with em lmfao. It's even funnier cause i've used h2o2 on these plants too lmfao. For me at least, Its definiely just noob syndrome, and not understanding what organics is or how it works lol. haha 'W00T ORGANIC SOIL! S00 H34LTHY!" *proceeds to pour chemicals on living organisms*

I started with chemicals, even grew some potent shit, but i got bored and didnt have the time to constantly feed them, i get deficiencies left and right when i neglect them. With organics, i mix like 7 different bags perlite/compost/soil ect... with different ratios for flower and veg. I throw my plant in the veg pot for a month while my flower pot cooks alive, if i do not cook my mixed flowering soils for 3-4 weeks before i actually transplant, my yield will suffer because there wasnt enough available nutrients uptaken (mainly P) for the beginning of flower. Any medium/heavy deficiency within the first 2-4 weeks of flower will greatly reduce my yield. See how i had to cook my flower soil for a month before using it? I gained 2-3.5 ounces in the same pots with the same girls letting my soil cook for a month. The cfl's in the middle are 6500k bulbs, they are more towards the blue spectrum. I had them over the highest points to keep stretching down as it sometimes got up to 90f with just cfl's lol. You can actually veg and flower the entire plant with just ocean forest,ta0 water,epsom salts, worm castings & molasses. Thats how i started before mixing my own soils. The epsom salt will only be needed if she has an mg deficiency. Yes it can be hard to burn plants with organics but i have done it many times with too much compost ect.

 

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I really hope i can grow some potent shit, more than a huge yeild for my first time honestly. I can see why you said you got bored cause theres just not much to do lol, mix, water, done. Right now thats perfect but after this crop or one more i'll definitely start diving into some more interesting methods. That actually sounds very cool. Instead of feeding the plant when you see deficiency its moreso planning and making sure it has everything beforehand? And the switch from veg to flower comes from the mix change? And jeez so i see what you mean you just gotta plan your nutes so it has time to break down into available forms. Everything goes to plan and their great, if it doesnt youre a little screwed eh? lol Sounds alot more funt though either way! It's weird that those are 6500k, i have the 6500ks and they look nowhere near as blue, maybe just the white balance in the pic or something though. N about the heat, you didnt seem to be using a big smpace so it would get pretty toasty, if you dont have air blowin on them they get hot pretty damn quick ... the cookies plants multiple burned tops will tell ya that, don't eve gotta ask.... LOL. Damn tho, simple enough nute lineup for sure. Sounds like as as long as you make sure you know what youre doing before you do it, it's a great way to go with growing. I'm thinking I will be trying it in the near future. If you do see those burns, would you be able to flush the same way as a synthetic grow? Or does it present bigger problems cause of the "slower" nature of the nutes?