Quick cloning question.. Would like to flower

[WeedFreak78]

I took my cuttings yesterday afternoon, cut at a 45, shaved some skin off the stem, dipped stem in water for 10-15 seconds then in the rooting gel for 10-15 seconds then into a coco plug pre-soaked in cloning solution and worm tea. The clones drooped about 30 minutes later but when I awoke this morning I glanced over at my humidity dome which is under florescent lights and on top of a seedling heating mat and the cuttings were sticking straight up! Happy to see that. I immediately checked on the bigger cherry og and it was completely fine. No signs of distress what so ever! So I think once my coco medium looks like it needs it's next feed, that is when I will put into flowering and start off with flowering nutrients.

Keep a bowl of water around when you're taking cuttings, if you want add a drop of superthrive. Cut clone and throw the whole thing in the water. Let all your clones float in the water for about 10 minutes, they will be like a sponge and absorb water. Now cut about 1/4" off the end of the clone to eliminate any embolism( air bubble in the stem) and go on your normal procedure. Soaking the clones will stop 99% of droop and wilt of cloning, and in my very unscientific observations knock a couple days off rooting times. I also don't use rooting gels/powders..I found out of the 3 different brands i tried it didn't really make anything go faster if all the other conditions were kept optimized. If your in not ideal conditions, a rooting hormone could be a little boost

 

[WeedFreak78]

I've been cutting clones the day flowering begins for 10 years with no problems but I don't butcher the plants. Foliage and roots try to keep a balance. When you whack off too much foliage the roots are still trying to feed the cut parts thinking there still should be plant material to feed stunting growth. But if you don't butcher it they won't be stunted and flowering will start without a hitch. I never remove more than 10-15% of foliage at any one time.

That's a good rule of thumb, but not set in stone. It does take knowledge and experience to cut a plant back to almost nothing and get it to thrive, I find it very similar to nurturing clones. I remove about 50% of my mother plants ever 3-4 weeks to keep them under control, i just adjust my nutes when i do ( I'm in hydro) I've cut plant's back to a 2" tall main stem with one side branch from a 2' dia bush and had it do just fine. I just knew to severely leech the soil so it wasn't getting full nutes for the first couple weeks. once the new growth starts looking a little yellow i hit it with some more nutes.

 

[CouchlockOR]

Keep a bowl of water around when you're taking cuttings, if you want add a drop of superthrive. Cut clone and throw the whole thing in the water. Let all your clones float in the water for about 10 minutes, they will be like a sponge and absorb water. Now cut about 1/4" off the end of the clone to eliminate any embolism( air bubble in the stem) and go on your normal procedure. Soaking the clones will stop 99% of droop and wilt of cloning, and in my very unscientific observations knock a couple days off rooting times. I also don't use rooting gels/powders..I found out of the 3 different brands i tried it didn't really make anything go faster if all the other conditions were kept optimized. If your in not ideal conditions, a rooting hormone could be a little boost

Although I don't use superthrive I do cut all my clones and place them in water too. Up to over night. It does in deed help them get hydrated. I would say this is a very important step if going into plugs or soil. If going into an aeroponic cloner then not too much help. I do use cloned gel as a dip and rootshooter plugs by jiffy and advanced nutients (weird company combo) and tray with 6"dome lid. I get clones in as few as 12 days with 21 days being to longest. Differs by strain.

 

[CouchlockOR]

That's a good rule of thumb, but not set in stone. It does take knowledge and experience to cut a plant back to almost nothing and get it to thrive, I find it very similar to nurturing clones. I remove about 50% of my mother plants ever 3-4 weeks to keep them under control, i just adjust my nutes when i do ( I'm in hydro) I've cut plant's back to a 2" tall main stem with one side branch from a 2' dia bush and had it do just fine. I just knew to severely leech the soil so it wasn't getting full nutes for the first couple weeks. once the new growth starts looking a little yellow i hit it with some more nutes.

Problem with that is over time your mother will get root bound and then get stunted. And 50% removal will stunt any plant to some degree. Not saying it won't survive as well. Cannabis is a sturdy plant but for optimal growth you should remove more than 10-15%. Lots of people trim there root ball if they lose a lot of foliage to keep the plant in balance. More of an advanced application. However I don't keep moms. I just clone from clones. I don't keep a plant that I don't intend to flower. Also I'm a dirt farmer. This is all my opinion and I have came to this opinion from a lifetime of gardening and roughly 20 years experience growing cannabis.

 

[WeedFreak78]

If you have Willow around your property you can make your own rooting solution fairly easily. Soak willow shoots in water for 24-48 hours then strain= instant rooting solution. Most synthetic rooting hormones are based off the hormone in the willow.

 

[WeedFreak78]

Problem with that is over time your mother will get root bound and then get stunted. And 50% removal will stunt any plant to some degree. Not saying it won't survive as well. Cannabis is a sturdy plant but for optimal growth you should remove more than 10-15%. Lots of people trim there root ball if they lose a lot of foliage to keep the plant in balance. More of an advanced application. However I don't keep moms. I just clone from clones. I don't keep a plant that I don't intend to flower. Also I'm a dirt farmer. This is all my opinion and I have came to this opinion from a lifetime of gardening and roughly 20 years experience growing cannabis.

Yeah i forgot to mention root pruning...I have some trees in pots ( avocado, i HAD a fig tree) that i had to root prune every other year. I've done cannabis once and i wasn't gentle with it, it did fine. After spending a bunch of time on various forums, I really think gardening is one of those things you either get or you don't.

 

[CouchlockOR]

I really think gardening is one of those things you either get or you don't.

Exactly. Some people were bred for it. I always had a passion for growing and now I'm commercially producing cannabis for local dispensaries and patients in Oregon.
Then there are the other guys who think they can become rich growing but don't know how to sprout a damn seed. Seeing it all over Oregon. It only makes us real growers look better.

 

[sno capz]

Yeah i forgot to mention root pruning...I have some trees in pots ( avocado, i HAD a fig tree) that i had to root prune every other year. I've done cannabis once and i wasn't gentle with it, it did fine. After spending a bunch of time on various forums, I really think gardening is one of those things you either get or you don't.

I agree... Some people are just born without green thumbs... But a lot of times I see it boils down to either people taking to little care versus people "over" caring... Some just want to do the bare minimal and expect shit to happen for them. Others are constantly all over that shit trying to hard to accomplish what they will fail everytime... I think the first and foremost rule of being able to grow anything is knowing the balance, establishing the balance and maintaining the balance... Sometimes to little isn't enough and sometimes to much is out of hand. It takes alot of patience. I see people chopping their crops because they "just can't wait any longer"... Or... "I got have it now. Not now but RIGHT now" lol I'm just smoking trying not to think about it unless I need to. Feeding, cleaning the space, checking temps etc.. But I'll tell you what... RIU makes it real hard haha

 

[sno capz]

Exactly. Some people were bred for it. I always had a passion for growing and now I'm commercially producing cannabis for local dispensaries and patients in Oregon.
Then there are the other guys who think they can become rich growing but don't know how to sprout a damn seed. Seeing it all over Oregon. It only makes us real growers look better.

Too be quite honest... I absolutely LOVE burning one down but it's not just the smoking. I think cannabis is overall a beautiful plant. Just the way they look when grown in your own environment that you created... The benefit of looking at the advertised pictured on seed bank sites and then seeing your results in person and how they differ not due to their genetics but because of the atmosphere you provide for them.... You've created your own product from everything you made happen possible. To me, the gratification in that feeling alone is amazing.

 

[WeedFreak78]

I agree... Some people are just born without green thumbs... But a lot of times I see it boils down to either people taking to little care versus people "over" caring... Some just want to do the bare minimal and expect shit to happen for them. Others are constantly all over that shit trying to hard to accomplish what they will fail everytime... I think the first and foremost rule of being able to grow anything is knowing the balance, establishing the balance and maintaining the balance... Sometimes to little isn't enough and sometimes to much is out of hand. It takes alot of patience. I see people chopping their crops because they "just can't wait any longer"... Or... "I got have it now. Not now but RIGHT now" lol I'm just smoking trying not to think about it unless I need to. Feeding, cleaning the space, checking temps etc.. But I'll tell you what... RIU makes it real hard haha

I limit myself to 5-10mins/ day in the room unless I'm doing res changes or something. I'll actually set a timer. I find it keeps me from "over caring" like you said..otherwise I'd spend hours tucking leaves, training branches,etc,etc. Now I'm in and out, knowing i gotta be quick. It also keeps me on track with stuff i NEED to get done outside the room in the rest of my life..lol..otherwise..I could just move in there.

 

[CouchlockOR]

I have two gardens both over 40 plants in flower plus veg rooms and I work in my gardens 8 hours a day and 7 days a week. I try to take Sunday's off. But the work never stops. constant cloning, transplanting, pruning, scouting for pests, mixing soil, harvesting. To get constant high yields on a monthly schedule takes time. And lots of it. Not to mention getting product tested and to retail is another time consuming effort. Kinda makes me wish I was just growing a few personal plants. Those times were much easier and less time consuming.

 

[sno capz]

I have two gardens both over 40 plants in flower plus veg rooms and I work in my gardens 8 hours a day and 7 days a week. I try to take Sunday's off. But the work never stops. constant cloning, transplanting, pruning, scouting for pests, mixing soil, harvesting. To get constant high yields on a monthly schedule takes time. And lots of it. Not to mention getting product tested and to retail is another time consuming effort. Kinda makes me wish I was just growing a few personal plants. Those times were much easier and less time consuming.

I wish I had that many going and could spend that kind of time in my garden... You get paid for it I take it. It doesn't pay off? I mean the profitability of it is really of no concern on my end... I do it so I don't spend $60 a day on a bag lol because I easily could if not more

 

[CouchlockOR]

It's not a get rich scheme by any means unless it's black market which I am not. I'm a licensed grower. I can't make a profit in the medical program. Unfortunately. I get reimbursed for costs related to production of cannabis. It's kinda weird here in Oregon with legalization looming. July 1 baby. Right now I'm trying to get some agricultural land to set up some 50'x100' greenhouses when recreational licenses are issued. Then I can legally make profit. I'm basically a nonprofit now.

 

[sno capz]

It's not a get rich scheme by any means unless it's black market which I am not. I'm a licensed grower. I can't make a profit in the medical program. Unfortunately. I get reimbursed for costs related to production of cannabis. It's kinda weird here in Oregon with legalization looming. July 1 baby. Right now I'm trying to get some agricultural land to set up some 50'x100' greenhouses when recreational licenses are issued. Then I can legally make profit. I'm basically a nonprofit now.

Do you at least get to try your product? Or is it all accounted for?

 

[CouchlockOR]

Smoke weed everyday!

 

[CouchlockOR]

Basically if your in the OMMP you're in the club. Grower/patient/caregiver. No one is asking me if I smoke either. It's so lax in Oregon.

 

[sno capz]

Unfortunately I'm on the opposite side of the states