Eagle 20 ew - serious concerns, even in veg

a mongo frog

a mongo frog

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patrickkawi37 said:
I'm 10 days in, most packed jungle I've ever had to deal with. Humidity getting 55% lights off. should/can I hit one last preventative spray with eagle?
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Not sure the answer to that. If you snow balling after 10 days then no. I know it stays active for 40-50 days so your choice. If your running 63-70 your right on the verge. But if your snow balling then you can't do that to your patients.
 
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patrickkawi37

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a mongo frog said:
Not sure the answer to that. If you snow balling after 10 days then no. I know it stays active for 40-50 days so your choice. If your running 63-70 your right on the verge. But if your snow balling then you can't do that to your patients.
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What do you mean snow balling? I don't see any pm, I saw a couple water spot lookin things that had me tripping a little . I sprayed eagle 2 week before flip but only at 2ml a gallon . I just am going to be worried because in another week I will not be able to walk in the canopy so I really don't know if the back shit gets it . I won't be able to get in there and spray . FUCK. i would be able to sleep a lot better knowing they got another spray . But I don't want it in the plant. I am going minimum 63 days with this. There is going to be budrot in there I already know.. I'm running 4 dehumidifiers (180pint 124pint 90 pint and 70pint) and I still can't keep it in the 40s. It's going to be at least 2.5 a light I'm thinking closer to 3, but outdoor season is right around the corner.. If you get pm right now you pretty much have to give your shit away .
 
a mongo frog

a mongo frog

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patrickkawi37 said:
What do you mean snow balling? I don't see any pm, I saw a couple water spot lookin things that had me tripping a little . I sprayed eagle 2 week before flip but only at 2ml a gallon . I just am going to be worried because in another week I will not be able to walk in the canopy so I really don't know if the back shit gets it . I won't be able to get in there and spray . FUCK. i would be able to sleep a lot better knowing they got another spray . But I don't want it in the plant. I am going minimum 63 days with this. There is going to be budrot in there I already know.. I'm running 4 dehumidifiers (180pint 124pint 90 pint and 70pint) and I still can't keep it in the 40s. It's going to be at least 2.5 a light I'm thinking closer to 3, but outdoor season is right around the corner.. If you get pm right now you pretty much have to give your shit away .
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sorry. I mean little buds starting to form. I call that snow balling. I wouldn't spray anything if any sign of flowering little buds.
 
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patrickkawi37

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Looks like I'm riding this out . My fingers are crossed . I have never had pm in this room before .. Only budrot . So let's hope things stay the same lol
 
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patrickkawi37

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a mongo frog said:
Did your yields increase once you eliminated rows? Or you never had rows?
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fuck yes . Put a plant off to the side in one of your isles. If you have cross lighting the nugs are just as big and just as dense . The width of the box is 17feet8 inches . 3 rows with a 5x5 leaves me with 2 feet 8 inches to make walkways or to just leave to be eaten up by canopy . Most runs my canopy won't fill out entirely so I make a tiny squeezable walkway . This run you can't see the floor , you can barely walk in there . If it's under 24 I will be very disappointed but I don't see it Happening. I did well the last run and this run makes that one look like a joke. And there is more blue this round. I am thinking 15 blue and 10og
 
Carolina Dream'n

Carolina Dream'n

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patrickkawi37 said:
fuck yes . Put a plant off to the side in one of your isles. If you have cross lighting the nugs are just as big and just as dense . The width of the box is 17feet8 inches . 3 rows with a 5x5 leaves me with 2 feet 8 inches to make walkways or to just leave to be eaten up by canopy . Most runs my canopy won't fill out entirely so I make a tiny squeezable walkway . This run you can't see the floor , you can barely walk in there . If it's under 24 I will be very disappointed but I don't see it Happening. I did well the last run and this run makes that one look like a joke. And there is more blue this round. I am thinking 15 blue and 10og
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Sorry I didn't see your post till this morning. I have sprayed up to day 14 in flower with no ill effects. I just had to look up what eagle 20 is, and I'm not a huge fan of anything systemic. (Meaning that it is actually inside the tissue of your plants) personally id spray one last time wit azamax, spinosad and an emulsifier.

You might just have to bite the bullet and go get some better dehumidifers too.
 
Carolina Dream'n

Carolina Dream'n

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SpicySativa said:
The part that doesn't add up is that your room is still full of spores since your plant had it, and you have fans blowing that shit all over the place. Yet somehow your plants don't get reinfected for a full 2-3 months. People spray the Eagle on plants that don't have PM, and it "magically" protects them for 2-3 months. PM spores are everywhere, and yet plants sprayed with Eagle don't get infected by them, no matter that it's been months since they've been sprayed. That just doesn't add up.

I'm done here. You can't teach a closed mind.

Carry on...
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It's systemic. It stays and works from the inside of your plants.
 
Aeroknow

Aeroknow

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I use eagle 20, but have always stuck with never spraying in flower. MAYBE a day or two in, max.
2.5ml/gal
If I have to spray for PM in flower, it's going to be an organic fungicide.

Oh, and by the way, it's absolutely possible to get PM at around week 7, even though you sprayed with eagle20 right before flower. This can and does happen if in a perpetual setup.
 
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patrickkawi37

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Carolina Dream'n said:
Sorry I didn't see your post till this morning. I have sprayed up to day 14 in flower with no ill effects. I just had to look up what eagle 20 is, and I'm not a huge fan of anything systemic. (Meaning that it is actually inside the tissue of your plants) personally id spray one last time wit azamax, spinosad and an emulsifier
You might just have to bite the bullet and go get some better dehumidifers too.
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I am too scared to spray azamax once there is white hairs , that shit turns them brown. I am lollipopping really hard the last couple days I'm just going to have to hope for the best. Underneath the canopy is as high as 55% . I just bought the badass on the block the Phoenix 270htx I'm convinced that as this point another dehu wouldn't do a damn thing. I am pushing 150 gallons every 2 days through the plants. I haven't seen any pm of any bad signs of anything but I have been around long enough to know there is s slim chance I'm getting through this run without pm or budrot with the humidity as high as it is with a canopy this dense.
Aeroknow said:
I use eagle 20, but have always stuck with never spraying in flower. MAYBE a day or two in, max.
2.5ml/gal
If I have to spray for PM in flower, it's going to be an organic fungicide.

Oh, and by the way, it's absolutely possible to get PM at around week 7, even though you sprayed with eagle20 right before flower. This can and does happen if in a perpetual setup.
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Thanks I also try to only use it week 1. I did use last week of veg but I did it at a semi weak feeding rate . I hope it can hang on .
 
norcal mmj

norcal mmj

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Why not just get a pm wash or a product just for that ? Ditch the chemicals clean your room, to kill all the pm spores. Look into organics, strong healthy plants have natural resistance to bugs and disease. If humidity is such a problem, get a dehumidifier or install a mini split heating and a/c unit, they dehumidify while they cool or heat. You could also run fresh air in your room when the lights are off, only works if outside air has low humidity.

Also try different strains, I had a white rhino strain 3 years ago that got pm just buy looking at it wrong.
 
GrowerGoneWild

GrowerGoneWild

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Zoooommmbieee Threaaaaddd... Eeeeaaaaggllle 20.

Mebby... E20 is showing up again in the news.

DowAgro does not list Cannabis on the approved uses on its product, and the MSDS shows the decomp of the products to be burned to be some nasty stuff. There are some reference that suggest it being a suspected carcinogen and its banned in a few states. I would try to minimize the use of E20, if used on a cannabis crop.
 
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