My first grow - Dedoverde Haze Auto 400w HID

[Skurge]

Hey everyone, I've been lurking around the forums for a while, and have received a lot of useful info from the threads here. So, I'm hoping that some of you experts will help this noob out with his first grow.

2x4x7 Grow Tent

x4 Dedoverde Haze Auto

400w HID Lighting (EyeHortilux Daylight Blue until first preflowers, then I'll switch over to SHPS, most likely around day 25-30

Pro Mix HP CC (With about 13% perlite added, mix has 12-18% out of the bag, around 30% Chunk Coir and the remainder is Peat)

6" Can Fan and Lite Filter - Air cooled hood

2 Hurricane clip on fans for circulation

3 Gallon Smart Pots (elevated about 1" with 4 arm plant stands to promote root pruning on the bottom, some say it matters, others say it doesnt.)

Following Tang's Feeding Schedule from AFNet for the most part.

For germination I soaked the beans in a shot glass filled with spring water. Placed it on my cable box for warmth and covered it with another glass to keep the light out. Planted around 30 hours later (seeds had sunk to the bottom and swelled up but only one cracked and had a tiny tap root showing). Placed some clear plastic cups over them to keep the moisture in and they all sprouted within 48 hours. Two of them came up with the casing still attached to the cotyledons, I gently removed them with water and tweezers. Some things I've read said to let them be and do their thing, but I figure if I can save them some energy what the hell. One of the seeds actually surfaced without sprouting within about 24 hours and got exposed to my MH (likely due to planting too shallow), figured iti was a goner. I pushed it back down, hoped for the best, and it sprouted along with the others. I also top watered over the seeds (I know now that this is terrible), instead of just misting them. But apparently no harm was done.

Temps have been between 79 - 84F, RH between 39-51%.

Directly after watering, temp drops to 79F, humidity will rise to 48-51% and stay very steady for 12-24 hours. They both decline back to the baseline as the pots dry out (38-40% RH 82-84F). This has been a trend for all 3 waterings, and I've been using it as a guideline for when to CHECK if they need water.

I started my 400w MH at 24" and have been moving it down every few days to harden them off, currently at 16" from the tops (18 from soil), and will probably go down to 14" around day 15. Going to try pushing for 12" if temps will allow it. It seems that the temp at soil level doesn't increase as lower the light, air cooling ftw.

First watering was 250 ml on day 5, pots were bone dry again on day 6 so I gave them 500 ml (stuff dries out fast). Another 500 ml on day 8, and yesterday(day 9) they got their first feed (4ml of Sensi Grow A+B and Voodoo Juice in 4L of water, each lady got around 750 ml - PH 6.2 PPM 422). I likely should have waited until today before watering again, as the tips of the leaves (just the tip), began to droop slightly after watering, but they started perking back up in 6-8 hours and appear fine today (with some increased size to the new growth overnight).

I have a couple of concerns, the fans I'm using for circulation aren't blowing directly on my ladies, in fact when I place my hand around them at all angles I can't feel any breeze at all.... But they create enough ambient circulation to keep them in constant motion (leaves dancing/fluttering slightly, very little to no sway in the stem (1-3mm sway tops). I assume this constant motion is fine, and will only make them stronger?

Also, one of my babies has a couple brown spots on the first set of true leaves, but the second set appears fine (one looks like it might be slightly deformed). I assume the brown spots are maybe burn marks from water droplets?

Currently day 10 (consider it 9 1/2 pics were taken at like 6 am). As you can see, some appear to be doing better than others, but all have received the same treatment. In the 4th Pic (the only one whose second set of true leaves show no side growth), has me a little concerned. It's actually the healthiest looking of the bunch (color/texture wise), but isn't showing the same side growth on the second set as the others are. However the new set that's coming in from the main stem appears to be growing nicely, so I'm guessing ti's nothing to worry about.

Anyone that takes the time to read this mini novel and give their input has my utmost appreciation. Piff.

 

[Skurge]

Day 18

Gave them their first 1L feed today, each got 500 ml initially and another 500 ml 30-45 minutes later. Hopefully they'll be ready for another by day 20. They've been taking 500 ml around every 36 hours up to this point. This pro mix doesn't seem to be drying out as fast as I expected, hoping they'll be able to take 1L per day soon.

They showed sex sometime between day 14-16 (noticed the pistils on day 17, some were already 1/2" long ), never noticed the preflowers because they were so tiny and I wasn't really looking for them at that point.

Starting to put off a pretty strong odor, hoping vertical growth picks up in the next couple weeks, tallest is still only around 7", shortest (the runt) is 5".

Light is currently 14-16" from the tops, according to my "back of the hand" test, I could get it as close as 8-10", but thinking I'll just let them grow into that range and start moving it up, rather than moving it down now.

Vertical growth hasn't been too great the past couple days, but a lot of the secondary growth is coming in nicely.



Group Photo



Sexy Time

 

[Skurge]

Going to do another update soon, but have a question regarding watering.

Using Pro Mix HP CC (about 30% coco, 25-30% perlite, remainder peat moss)

I've been giving them about 1L every 36 hours

My pots are getting very light, but the top inch of soil still feels moist, and I've been watering at that point, is this normal?

I'd say they're at least 2/3 lighter than directly after watering if not more so, but there is still moisture in the top couple inches.

 

[Shredder5kallday]

If u want know why ur shit came out fluffy and want to know why because ur veg look so good and I will tell u because u didnt use enough light dumbass remember this light is like gas

 

[Shredder5kallday]

Dude ur babys tell u when t hey need water rember droopy leaves and standing water brings mold dead plants

 

[Skurge]

If u want know why ur shit came out fluffy and want to know why because ur veg look so good and I will tell u because u didnt use enough light dumbass remember this light is like gas

Considering your grammar, and method of explaining things, for some reason I highly doubt that I'm the dumbass... Anyway.

Day 22

Height 8-13"
Last feed was about 48 hours ago (morning of day 21, it's now morning of day 23)
7 ml Sensi Grow A+B - 5 ml B 52 - 5 ml Sensizym - 5 ml Carboload - 5 ml Rhino Skin in 5L of water
Each lady got just over a liter
PPM around 680 PH just under 6.0
Did some leaf tucking on the lower growth.

Growth seems to really be taking off now, in the last 12 hours each lady grew 1-1 1/2", the runt gained the most height. Hoping she'll stretch a bit more and catch up to the others.

Another 1-2 weeks of MH + Veg Nutes and they'll likely be ready for the SHPS and bloom regimen.

 

[Bbcchance]

Looking good to me, consider yourself subscribed to, can't wait to see more hope it all keeps going well

 

[Crazybear]

I grew one of the dedoverde haze auto's myself and she was a runt all the way through but produced some nice smoke. Glad to see that they do grow quite a bit larger and that your's are doing well.

If you like lemony/hoppy smelling/tasting plants then you will love these girls, mine wasn't super dense either so it didn't take too long to dry/cure which is nice when your impatience is getting the best of you.

 

[Skurge]

Thanks for the positive vibes guys.

It's getting a bit cramped in there, some of the secondary growth is growing up against the walls and stuff, hoping it doesn't hurt yield too much. Don't have much room to train them either. I'm rotating them every 12-24 hours, but aside from that not sure what I can do. Gonna go with x3 4 gal air pots next time and do some LST which I think will work much better in a 2x4 space.

The biggest (front left) is well into stretch now, I swear she put on upwards of 3" in less than 48 hours. Concerned that I might have to start watering her more frequently or with larger amounts because she's drinking more than the other 3. Fed them this morning and the top of her soil is already beginning to dry.

Honestly Crazybear, the taste/smell doesn't matter nearly as much to me as the high haha. I chose this strain because it's Sativa dominant and I prefer a more energetic uplifting high, don't care too much for that couch lock feel. I want some good daytime smoke!

Already planning to make some hash with the trim/popcorn nugs while the buds are drying/curing, even if I can only pull a couple grams (or less) it'll be worth it. Patience is not my virtue.

 

[Crazybear]

Honestly Crazybear, the taste/smell doesn't matter nearly as much to me as the high haha. I chose this strain because it's Sativa dominant and I prefer a more energetic uplifting high, don't care too much for that couch lock feel. I want some good daytime smoke!

Already planning to make some hash with the trim/popcorn nugs while the buds are drying/curing, even if I can only pull a couple grams (or less) it'll be worth it. Patience is not my virtue.

Not going to lie high matters a bit, but after a while of smoking nothing but what you grew taste starts to matter. Mine wasn't too energetic when it came to the high more like racy brain high that gets you day dreaming about just random shit pretty quickly.

 

[Shredder5kallday]

Considering your grammar, and method of explaining things, for some reason I highly doubt that I'm the dumbass... Anyway.

Day 22

Height 8-13"
Last feed was about 48 hours ago (morning of day 21, it's now morning of day 23)
7 ml Sensi Grow A+B - 5 ml B 52 - 5 ml Sensizym - 5 ml Carboload - 5 ml Rhino Skin in 5L of water
Each lady got just over a liter
PPM around 680 PH just under 6.0
Did some leaf tucking on the lower growth.

Growth seems to really be taking off now, in the last 12 hours each lady grew 1-1 1/2", the runt gained the most height. Hoping she'll stretch a bit more and catch up to the others.

Another 1-2 weeks of MH + Veg Nutes and they'll likely be ready for the SHPS and bloom regimen.

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Yes my grammar make me look like simpleton but its because im insane long story short u have beauitful plants ur veg is growing perfect remeber thats only a battle the real war comes with ur budding U need to get at least for the love of god a six hundred watt light to get some nice personal head smoke honestly remeber this only my opinion im not the best I dont throw stones I live in a glass house but thats what I recommend I have had friends that used 400 for budding all disappointed but hey maybe u got better green thumb cant wait to see ur post

 

[Skurge]

Sorry man, I can get a bit defensive and calling me a dumbass out of left field, well you know.

I was going to go with a 600w initially, but there's other stuff running in this room ( TV, PC, etc.) on a 15A circuit, and 600w would have been cutting it a bit close. I've seen grows where people pull close to a pound with a 400w setup, don't plan to break 1 gr/watt my first time around though especially with autos lol. I'll be happy if I can pull 1-2 oz. per plant. When we get into our own house I'll likely have a whole room for growing and be able to run a 1000w setup, and I'll keep this stuff to do seed runs. This is my very first grow and really just want to get some experience under my belt.

 

[Skurge]

The ladies have been tied up!



Day 27
Height - 15-19"
Temps - 77-79F
RH - 50% High (after watering) around 42% Low (before watering)

So I used twine to tie some of the secondary branches in toward the main stem, it helped a bit with horizontal space and will hopefully prevent the ladies from getting much wider. They aren't as cramped now, and it actually helped get better light to a lot of the bud sites.

They just got what will likely be their last veg feed, plan to change the light over to SHPS tomorrow. On day 29 I'll flush each pot down to around 100 PPM (the base ppm of my tap water), and give each lady a 1L 1/4 strength feeding of bloom nutes! I was going to continue veg until day 31-33, but I think the last thing I want to do at this point is encourage these ladies to get bigger.

Following Tang's Feeding Schedule, and he doesn't start calmag until the 2nd feed after flush, but I think I'm going to start it at 1/4 strength along with Sensi Bloom A+B and Voodoo Juice for the post flush feed. Only because the biggest lady is showing what appears to be cal deficiency on two of the upper-middle fan leaves.

Not that great of a picture, but there's some brown spotting on this set of leaves on either side, and small white spots on some of the tips. I believe it's a slight cal deficiency and only appears on the largest lady.

 

[passdadutch]

Nice grow so far, I'll def be following. Just put 2 seeds of this in last night along with some UK cheese. Can't wait for them to pop from the soil. Look forward to comparing yours to mine as you go along.

 

[Skurge]

Nice grow so far, I'll def be following. Just put 2 seeds of this in last night along with some UK cheese. Can't wait for them to pop from the soil. Look forward to comparing yours to mine as you go along.

Sweet, it'll be nice to have something for comparison, I've only been able to find ONE other dedoverde haze auto grow lol.

Pretty sure these plants would get 2-3'+ if I let them, height isn't an issue, but I'm worried about secondary/horizontal growth getting out of control. So I'm going to go SHPS and bloom nutes and hope they don't get too much wider.

Next time around going to run x2 5 Gal Air Pots and shoot for two bigger plants with some LST, thinking a setup like that would utilize this space/lighting much better. Thinking about running Heavyweights Fast n Vast and Cream of the Crop Robocrop!

 

[passdadutch]

Sweet. I got 5 gallon air pots now, just picked up some a few weeks ago to give them a try. How has it been with tying and what not. Has it been ok with it so far? I may have missed somewhere but what are you running light sched wise? I'll be flowering mine under a 400hps when the time comes. Pro. Looking to start and finish mine at 20/4 for my lights.

 

[Skurge]

I just tied them, but I don't see it causing any issues. All I did was tie the side branches in toward the main stem, this makes them less wide and raised some of the bud sites that I was having trouble tucking.

I've heard a lot of mixed opinions about lighting, but I'm running mine 24/0. 400w MH for first 4 weeks, changing to SHPS tomorrow.

 

[Skurge]

The ladies just went through their mid grow flush! It's nice to know that the hardest part is out of the way, what a project flushing is.

Initial run off was 1000+, flushed each pot until run off was down to 200-250 PPM (flush water 100-110 PPM) - took 7-8 gallons each.

Was shooting for 150-200 PPM, but I could only store so much water and I'm opposed to using it straight from the tap, even for flush. PH out of the tap is 8.5-9, but it drops down to 7-7.5 after being sat out and bubbled for 24 hours.

They each got a 1L 1/4 strength feeding of Sensi Bloom A+B, Voodoo Juice, and slightly less than 1/4 strength cal mag post flush.

They're looking pretty droopy at the moment, but I'm assuming that's normal? Pots were very light/dry beforehand.

 

[Crazybear]

The ladies just went through their mid grow flush! It's nice to know that the hardest part is out of the way, what a project flushing is.

Initial run off was 1000+, flushed each pot until run off was down to 200-250 PPM (flush water 100-110 PPM) - took 7-8 gallons each.

Was shooting for 150-200 PPM, but I could only store so much water and I'm opposed to using it straight from the tap, even for flush. PH out of the tap is 8.5-9, but it drops down to 7-7.5 after being sat out and bubbled for 24 hours.

They each got a 1L 1/4 strength feeding of Sensi Bloom A+B, Voodoo Juice, and slightly less than 1/4 strength cal mag post flush.

They're looking pretty droopy at the moment, but I'm assuming that's normal? Pots were very light/dry beforehand.

It's normal after a good watering for them to be a little droopy, but it should only last a couple hours max.

 

[Skurge]

It's normal after a good watering for them to be a little droopy, but it should only last a couple hours max.

Yeah they perked back up in 6-8 hours. Would have liked to wait a little longer before flushing and changing to bloom nutes, but don't think space would allow it unfortunately. They're currently 18-24" with plenty of bud sites, it's pretty packed already and I'm assuming it will get worse once they start putting on weight. I think these autos could have grown quite a bit bigger though.

Day 30

Height - 18-24"
Temps - 75-77F (dropped a bit with the increased RH)
RH - 53-55% (jumped to around 60% post flush)

Light is currently about 10-16" away. Trying to keep it far enough for the taller girls and close enough for the shorties. Feels slightly hot around canopy level for the taller girls so I might raise it a bit later today or tomorrow

The biggest girl is showing signs of what I believe to be a mag deficiency, some brown spots showed up a few days ago on a middle set of fan leaves (both leaves/sides of the same set), and just noticed that it spread to an upper set today. Gave a little more than 1/4 strength cal/mag post flush, will up to a little more than 1/2 strength next feed, which probably won't be for a couple days, soil is s till pretty wet from the flush. Find it odd how only one of them is spotting, she is the biggest (by a small margin), so I guess it makes sense.

The pics aren't the greatest, spotting looks slightly worse than it appears.


The spotting is most visible on the left side, and occurs mostly towards the center or around other veins. This is on a middle set of fan leaves and spread to an upper set recently, only on the biggest girl.