Does anyone see truth?

[Glaucoma]

Right, you have used him to prove me wrong, but his work was deciphered from ancient Greek in the 1900s. His measurements were recorded in units of Stadia myriad, his OWN math language, scholars still argue what stadia myriads equate to.

You can recreate his experiments. Also, his work was known long before the 1900's. Columbus was aware of it, although he didn't trust the measurements, much like you seem to. It nearly cost him his life.

I was wrong on one thing though, he didn't discover the tilt, he was just the first to accurately measure it. Mankind seems to have been aware of the tilt as early as 1000 BC, they just didn't understand what they were seeing.

 

[reddan1981]

You can recreate his experiments. Also, his work was known long before the 1900's. Columbus was aware of it, although he didn't trust the measurements, much like you seem to. It nearly cost him his life.

I was wrong on one thing though, he didn't discover the tilt, he was just the first to accurately measure it. Mankind seems to have been aware of the tilt as early as 1000 BC, they just didn't understand what they were seeing.

The test can be replicated and it is
'Solar distance test' author Redpillworld. Youtube, please my mate, would you humour my stupidity and watch this. Do you know the angle of our axis?

 

[Glaucoma]

The test can be replicated and it is
'Solar distance test' author Redpillworld. Youtube, please my mate, would you humour my stupidity and watch this. Do you know the angle of our axis?

It is currently measured at 23.4*

I don't chase quack science videos, sorry, and judging from the comments, that's what this is. People can try and pick apart 2000 year old math but the other evidence remains.

Explain lunar eclipses with a flat Earth. I got another 100 examples if that's not enough.

 

[reddan1981]

It is currently measured at 23.4*

I don't chase quack science videos, sorry, and judging from the comments, that's what this is. People can try and pick apart 2000 year old math but the other evidence remains.

Explain lunar eclipses with a flat Earth. I got another 100 examples if that's not enough.

do you know the significance of the number 23. Show me the tests mate, if you have a hundred examples. I already told you, 2000 year old gibberish with random numbers that are USED as proof

 

[Glaucoma]

do you know the significance of the number 23. Show me the tests mate, if you have a hundred examples. I already told you, 2000 year old gibberish with random numbers that are USED as proof

The significance of the number 23 is that it can only be 23. It can never be 22, or 24, or even 23.1. It will only ever be 23. It would never, ever even think about being something like 9, or -23.

I said I have 100's of examples that the Earth isn't flat.

So far I've shown an orbital picture and cited lunar eclipses (the point was to show the shadow edge of the Earth as it's cast on the Moon). I've also shown that the circumference was accurately measured 2000 years ago.

Sure, I got more. How about watching ships approach/depart a harbor. How about flying in an airplane. How was it possible for me to take multiple airplanes travelling only West and end up at home by the end of my trip?

How do you explain all of these things with a flat Earth? How would the Moon orbit around a flat mass and everything remain stable? How far does this flat thinking extend? Is the Moon flat? The Sun?

 

[reddan1981]

The significance of the number 23 is that it can only be 23. It can never be 22, or 24, or even 23.1. It will only ever be 23. It would never, ever even think about being something like 9, or -23.

I said I have 100's of examples that the Earth isn't flat.

So far I've shown an orbital picture and cited lunar eclipses (the point was to show the shadow edge of the Earth as it's cast on the Moon). I've also shown that the circumference was accurately measured 2000 years ago.

Sure, I got more. How about watching ships approach/depart a harbor. How about flying in an airplane. How was it possible for me to take multiple airplanes travelling only West and end up at home by the end of my trip?

How do you explain all of these things with a flat Earth? How would the Moon orbit around a flat mass and everything remain stable? How far does this flat thinking extend? Is the Moon flat? The Sun?

Are you actually thinking.... Or are you insisting on providing non truths? I am not trying to play an ass, each and every question ive asked, I know. I can google most, but the answers are bullshit.
If you employ critical thinking you will understand, why we are lied to, how we are lied to and your position within the lie.

 

[Glaucoma]

Are you actually thinking.... Or are you insisting on providing non truths? I am not trying to play an ass, each and every question ive asked, I know. I can google most, but the answers are bullshit.
If you employ critical thinking you will understand, why we are lied to, how we are lied to and your position within the lie.

What makes you think the answers are bullshit?

 

[reddan1981]

What makes you think the answers are bullshit?

give me a couple hours, I'm not ignoring your answer, just busy. I definitely want this discussion with you. Bk later

 

[Glaucoma]

Maybe it would be more appropriate in the science section? Doesn't feel right discussing math here. lol.

 

[New Age United]

Maybe it would be more appropriate in the science section? Doesn't feel right discussing math here. lol.

No please continue the discussion here, I'm interested to see how this plays out.

 

[thepenofareadywriter]

Material forms do age, as in they transform, the growth and the decay of matter, but everything in existence is now, the Present Moment is all that actually exists.

Yes I know it contradicts it is a paradox.

The universe (energy) is eternal, it does not age it just transforms in an infinite (mathematical definition ) number of ways.

so basically you are saying something similar to the bible...there is nothing new under the sun...what was... is...what is...will be

 

[New Age United]

so basically you are saying something similar to the bible...there is nothing new under the sun...what was... is...what is...will be

Yes kinda like what I replied to you in the thread "eating Jesus"

https://www.rollitup.org/t/eating-jesus.880596/#post-11830101

 

[reddan1981]

Maybe it would be more appropriate in the science section? Doesn't feel right discussing math here. lol.

ok my mate, you have asked me to explain myself, I will try but you must understand the disadvantage I am at, considering the bodies of 'proof' to refute my opinion. Nothing shorter than a scientific peer reviewed paper would change your mind, I assume so I will save my own headache. I was hoping that you or anyone reading this would actually find some demonstrable experiments, that prove curvature and/or movement. You CAN'T find any can you? Neither could I. All tests that I posted prove NO curvature.
For me to explain, I need for you to take some logical leaps with me and I have a strong feeling you are not really ready to burst your own bubble.
when you look out of the window on a clear day, notice the clouds? with a still wind, they are still. Peer reviewed papers say they are moving at over 1600kph, big G is keeping them relative, right? So how fast does a cross wind have to blow, to move this water vapour through this field of relative suspension? what if the simplest answer is the truth? what if gravity was a bullshit theory invented to aid the deception of us living on a ball? Does gravity work on beachballs in water? WHY NOT................ think about it............... BOYANCY. What if temperature and density can explain why things fall to the ground. Above and around us is millions of lrs of water pressing down on us and any thing more dense, than it.
It has always been that the richest in society were also placed on a pedestal ethically, deliberately so. The lay person or commoner would look to the establishment to provide truths to us. And so unknowingly to us the establishment created a position for themselves to pontificate to us. Now all scientific papers must pass through their hands for clarification. Trace the American establishment back to its foundation, it was built ruthlessly for European corporation. Our leaders must attend specific colleges and/or have royal lineage, yourself or I could never be monarchy, why not? because we haven't a specific lineage to our dna. trace back how royalty became royalty, through Abraham of the BIBLE! then you will understand the relevance of how religion, monarchy and educating the masses are indistinguishably interlinked. by the way just some coincidences with the number 23
2 divided 3 is .666
23 seconds for our blood to circulate
Hiroshima bomb 8:15 8+15= 23 The date 6/8/45 6+8+4+5= 23
23,32,33,7,9 Are all very important numbers to perpetuate mind control and sacred in religious beliefs.

 

[New Age United]

ok my mate, you have asked me to explain myself, I will try but you must understand the disadvantage I am at, considering the bodies of 'proof' to refute my opinion. Nothing shorter than a scientific peer reviewed paper would change your mind, I assume so I will save my own headache. I was hoping that you or anyone reading this would actually find some demonstrable experiments, that prove curvature and/or movement. You CAN'T find any can you? Neither could I. All tests that I posted prove NO curvature.
For me to explain, I need for you to take some logical leaps with me and I have a strong feeling you are not really ready to burst your own bubble.
when you look out of the window on a clear day, notice the clouds? with a still wind, they are still. Peer reviewed papers say they are moving at over 1600kph, big G is keeping them relative, right? So how fast does a cross wind have to blow, to move this water vapour through this field of relative suspension? what if the simplest answer is the truth? what if gravity was a bullshit theory invented to aid the deception of us living on a ball? Does gravity work on beachballs in water? WHY NOT................ think about it............... BOYANCY. What if temperature and density can explain why things fall to the ground. Above and around us is millions of lrs of water pressing down on us and any thing more dense, than it.
It has always been that the richest in society were also placed on a pedestal ethically, deliberately so. The lay person or commoner would look to the establishment to provide truths to us. And so unknowingly to us the establishment created a position for themselves to pontificate to us. Now all scientific papers must pass through their hands for clarification. Trace the American establishment back to its foundation, it was built ruthlessly for European corporation. Our leaders must attend specific colleges and/or have royal lineage, yourself or I could never be monarchy, why not? because we haven't a specific lineage to our dna. trace back how royalty became royalty, through Abraham of the BIBLE! then you will understand the relevance of how religion, monarchy and educating the masses are indistinguishably interlinked.

I have a question, can temperature and density explain why everything falls to the ground at the same speed of 32' per second?

 

[Darth Vapour]

The term that's used is actually that "spacetime" is curved.... not just space. But what does this mean anyway?

We have to back up a little to understand all this. First, why are the three space dimensions always treated together? Well, one reason is that the length of an object is the same no matter how you rotate it in the three spatial dimensions. Just think of taking a ruler; no matter what angle you hold it or turn it, it always has the same length. It doesn't matter which way you define as "up-down" or "left-right" or "forward-back," all three spatial dimensions contribute in exactly the right way so that the distance between the ends of the ruler stays the same.

OK, but then why do physicists combine time with space to make "spacetime?" One answer is that what I said in the last paragraph about the ruler isn't exactly true in all cases. As strange as it sounds, the spatial distance between any two points depends on how fast you're moving. The difference is way too small to ever notice it in everyday life (even going on the fastest airplane). But for things that travel near the speed of light, it makes a big difference. So, for example, imagine that two firecrackers flash at different points in space and at different times. The regular 3-dimensional spatial distance between the two flashes depends very slightly on how fast the person measuring them is moving. Now, according to special relativity (and also some very precise experiments) there is a quantity that always stays the same whether you're moving or not. And that quantity comes from a formula that includes both the spatial distance between the two flashes and also includes the time difference between the two flashes. So, when you get near the speed of light, the quantity that stays the same no matter how the observer is moving involves the three spatial distances difference between them. It's all four things (three space plus one time) that go together, not just the three spatial dimensions!

If there's no mass anywhere in our imagined situation with the firecrackers, then that formula for finding the quantity that will always be the same is fairly simple (and it looks a lot like the formula from geometry for just the spatial distance between the flashes but with an extra piece that depends on the time difference between them). We call that "flat spacetime." If you learn about special relativity, you're really learning about how things work in flat spacetime... and it's very cool!

Now I think I can finally get back to your original question.

This formula for finding the quantity that stays the same even for things moving near the speed of light gets more complicated if there is any mass nearby. It turns out that the mass makes the formula different for different points around the masses. So, we started with a simple 3-dimensional distance formula. But by including the effects of things that travel near the speed of light and also including mass, we wound up with a 4-dimensional (3space + 1time) formula that's different at different points in space. However, even though the new formula isn't like the plain-old "distance" that we're used to, we can still imagine that it's sort of like a distance, and just say that the space itself isn't nice and flat like simple 3-dimensional space. I guess you could say it’s an analogy because it’s nice to visualize the formula as still being the formula for some sort of distance.

Hope this makes sense.

 

[reddan1981]

I have a question, can temperature and density explain why everything falls to the ground at the same speed of 32' per second?

Everything does not fall at 32' per second

 

[Darth Vapour]

Gravity will accelerate any object at a rate of 32 feet per second. But what do we do with that number? What it means is that if we fall for one second we'll reach a speed of 32 feet per second. After two seconds we reach 64 feet per second. The speed rises as to square root of height . But in direct proportion to Time

So acceleration is trickier than it might first seem. Nothing accelerates until a force acts upon it. Yet we feel no force as we fall. The force of gravity is there, acting on every molecule in our bodies -- but the force is unopposed, so we feel nothing. Not until we stand on a solid floor do we feel the force of gravity. The floor is what resists gravity, and it acts only on our feet.

So an orbiting astronaut, who feels no gravity, is in a perpetual free fall, constantly accelerating toward Earth and hurtling forward at the same time. The Space Shuttle keeps falling away from a straight path, but just fast enough to stay a constant height above Earth as it falls -- and falls, and falls.

 

[New Age United]

Everything does not fall at 32' per second

No it does depend on the surface dynamics of the object your right but I'm pretty sure that a ball weighing 20 lbs and a ball weighing 40 lbs assuming that their weight is evenly dispersed, both with the same diameter of 10 inches will both fall to the earth at 32' per second no matter what the temperature is assuming your at less than a couple hundred feet in the air bc yes then environmental factors would come in to play.

 

[Darth Vapour]

Acceleration can deceive us. That's why Isaac Newton, who first explained how force and acceleration are related, was also an inventor of calculus -- that special language for explaining how things change in time and space. Acceleration is so much clearer when we have that new language to describe it. And I hear echoes of a fine old saying about the language of math: "Mathematicslets fools do what only geniuses could do without it."

 

[reddan1981]

Everything does not fall at 32' per second

Properties of the number 32
Symbolism

• According to R. Allendy, "it is the differentiation appearing in the organized world". It would not be the creative generation as 23, which is the reverse of 32, but rather the plan, the diagram, of the various forms of creatures modeled by the Creator. It would be also the karmic liberation sought in the tests of the natural law, 8 x 4 = 32.
• Represent the totality of men on the earth.
• Number inspiring to the man the truth and teaching him how to live it.
• Symbol of justice, according to the Pythagoricians.

General

• In the revelations make by Jesus to Gemma, in her book "Parole d'amour", Jesus affirms that on the cross, He had 32 bones fractured.
• The world has been created by 32 ways and they form the 32 mysterious paths of the Wisdom according to the Cabal, formed by the twenty two letters of the Hebrew alphabet and the ten Sephiroth of the sephirothic tree, that are the attributes of the divine name.
• The 32 chapters of the Apocalypse of Abraham (80-100 after J.-C.) from the documents of the library of Qumran, in which are written the fall of the man and the idolatry of descendants of Abraham, the end of times and that the pagan nations will be soon punished, and finally the Messiah who will come to gather his people and to pass his enemies to the fire.
• It is the number of letters of the alphabet which God would have taught to Adam. Some of them would have been lost. Someone claims indeed that the face of God would be formed of 32 letters which all were not discovered, nor deciphered and ordered. If that had been the case, the man would have found his dignity of the son of God. The Gospels have succeeded to decipher 24 letters, the Pentateuch 22 and the Koran 28.
• According to the Buddhist tradition, the mother of Buddha observed 32 month of abstinence and had to be endowed of 32 qualities. That is why Buddha had 32 virtues.
• The mouth contains normally 32 teeth: 16 to the jaw superior and 16 to the inferior jaw.

Occurrence

• The number 32 is used 11 times in the Bible.
• The number 60 is used 32 times in the Bible.
• The sum of the occurrences of all numbers in the Bible multiples of 21 gives 32.
• In the Gospel of Matthew, the expression "kingdom of Heaven" is used 32 times. The 32 mentions of the divine name Elohim in first chapter of the Genesis. The verb to liberate is used 32 times in the Bible.