Ripping it Hardcore, like Defoliation Porn?

[DesertGrow89]

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Indeud good sir, indeud.

Small plants require desperate measures huh? Really with a plant that size already in flower you should have just let it be. Not trying to be rude and If I sound it sorry but IMO it needed all the help it could get and some of that help is gone .

Ha thanx! I had a feeling shortly after clipping it, you seem to be reiterating what everyone else has mentioned.

 

[Budley Doright]

^^^ Only because I've been there lol. Actually i keep trying defoliation but sadly not getting the results that some report. I would imagine I'll keep trying it on occasion lol.

 

[Craig1969SS]

Assuming that will give the buds more light exposure? Went to do that and the stem kinked near the apex, hope it wasn't bad for the plant.

"Uncovering bud sights " by removing fan leaves is false. Those buds are budding because the fans are supplying the energy to the plant so it will produce the hormones and enzymes necessary to bloom. I did it and wouldn't do it again. I took too many and the plant totally stopped any further vertical growth and just went into a funk for a few weeks. just go easy, wait a week before u clip next time.

 

[Craig1969SS]

Tying it bent over at a 90 degree angle will divert the growth hormone in the plant from primarily the top growth down to the lower growth. These auxins will allow the lower growth to match the top growth, giving a bushy canopy rather than one tall spear.
However I think it is a little late to bend that extremely now. It's something you would generally do earlier, like before flowering.
Look into LST, low stress training

I bent mine 90 degrees and got what you describe here. Bottom branch colas

 

[shhhmokey]

If your giving them good nites and what not you will b fine. I have been defoileating my outdoor crop and have seen AMAZING amounts of gain. As well as LST. But i have only benifited from removing leaves. I also know what ones to tounch and not to touch. Haha

 

[DesertGrow89]

"Uncovering bud sights " by removing fan leaves is false. Those buds are budding because the fans are supplying the energy to the plant so it will produce the hormones and enzymes necessary to bloom. I did it and wouldn't do it again. I took too many and the plant totally stopped any further vertical growth and just went into a funk for a few weeks. just go easy, wait a week before u clip next time.

Nice plants, wish that I could grow outside! Here is an update, trichomes are starting to turn amber, seeking experienced advice should I harvest soon?

Appreciate any feedback

 

[Budley Doright]

A while yet, pistils will turn color and recede. If the trichs are still a clear amber then thats a good thing, if they are cloudy amber then you hurt your plant.

 

[DesertGrow89]

A while yet, pistils will turn color and recede. If the trichs are still a clear amber then thats a good thing, if they are cloudy amber then you hurt your plant.

Perhaps two weeks from now? Ordered a cheap pocket microscope but it could arrive between now and the end of the month so it probably won't even arrive in time.

 

[Budley Doright]

Perhaps. Try a hobbie store for a cheap microscope. I have found the batteries worth more than the ebay loupes lol.

 

[Dr. Who]

There is a member of our little growers "club or co-op" that defoliates. Has for years.....He gets yields! He lst's them too.....
When I see his plants I cringe - big time. The point is while he yields nice. The size of his buds are, well, SMALL! We can run clones from the same mother and I yield a tic less then he does.....His buds are small and I'll have forearm size buds that fly off the shelves while his will sit......BAG appeal !!! I think mine turn out stronger too!

Now that shows potential effected by environment!

Lop them off and win a battle....
Leave them there and win the war!

Doc

 

[Budley Doright]

^^^^ I've tried but just cant seem to get any results lol. At first it was to try and make something more out of a crap plant and learned that was a mistake I think. Pretty sure if doing it it needs to be a healthy plant. But even with healthy plants the ones I leave be do better. I'll keep trying out of stubbornness I guess lol. Every once and awhile I get a mean streak, put on the leather and mutilate a plant of two lol.

 

[DesertGrow89]

There is a member of our little growers "club or co-op" that defoliates. Has for years.....He gets yields! He lst's them too.....
When I see his plants I cringe - big time. The point is while he yields nice. The size of his buds are, well, SMALL! We can run clones from the same mother and I yield a tic less then he does.....His buds are small and I'll have forearm size buds that fly off the shelves while his will sit......BAG appeal !!! I think mine turn out stronger too!

Now that shows potential effected by environment!

Lop them off and win a battle....
Leave them there and win the war!

Doc

Thank You Doc, will keep that in mind for the second grow.

Are you saying just cut my losses and harvest now? No sense in wasting electricity if they are mature enough.

 

[doc_kush]

New guy with a question. Second grow. I have two Critical Kush and 1 LSD plants at 70 days in blackout. (Barneys via The Attitude. All seeds germinated and no hermie issues BTW.) All 3 were FIMed once early (@5 leaf sets), bent and tied often, and defoliated aggressively to expose as many node sites as possible from the time they were very wee tykes. (Later the CKs were defoliated more so than the LSD; they tolerated it much better IMO somewhat contrary to the lit. In fact, I think it may have somewhat stunted the LSD.) Nevertheless, all 3 plants have nice (relatively flat) cola structures (no Xmas tree shapes) to take best advantage of the of my lights (an 8 panel T5 fluorescent). One CK (CK1) has 18 Glade air freshener can sized colas and numerous smaller/shorter well-shaped colas; the other CK (CK2) has 13 somewhat longer (than CK1) colas and fewer of the smaller/shorter well-shaped colas. The LSD has 14 longer colas and some shorthies in the center of the plant - it also has a few more days before harvest than the CKs. I could not be more pleased since improving my yield was a main goal of mine in this grow.

I know I am pushing the havest window to try and get the most potency from my plants. (The lit I have seen say between 60 an 72 days (Average: 66 days) for the CK and between 63 an 75 days (Average: 69 days) for the LSD.) My trichomes are there but difficult for me to see well enough (am old and even with a mag glass can't judge their clarity at all) to judge from that. So I am reduced to the lit, taste testing, and looking at the color and receding of the "hairs" to determine my exact harvest date. (By the look of things, I am almost there on the CKs I think with a few more days on the LSD.)

The question: The bulk of my defoliation took place during veg. But there was some during flowering. Does anyone who defloiates know if doing so DURING flowering "sets back" (elongates the flowing period of) the plants? Stands to reason to me that it might. If so, I might feel better about pushing a little further. I have tricome fever.

Sorry. No pics.

 

[MrStickyScissors]

pic one didn't have that many leaves to begin with

 

[shhhmokey]

I defolieat during flower every time. Althogh most of it is done in veg and early stages of flower but even as of today if there is a leafe casting shade on a the bud i remove it. From the time there sdedlings I LST them and trim as needed to set them up for the best possable grow they can have... to answer your question i dont believe it will hinder the plant very much if at all. In a bad way. IMHO defolieating is the way to go. Makes you feel more of a bound with the plant hahaha. Srry iv rambled forever... high... take care. Keep me posted

 

[DesertGrow89]

pic one didn't have that many leaves to begin with

Perhaps, I cut at least half of them off probably more like three quarters...

I defolieat during flower every time. Althogh most of it is done in veg and early stages of flower but even as of today if there is a leafe casting shade on a the bud i remove it. From the time there sdedlings I LST them and trim as needed to set them up for the best possable grow they can have... to answer your question i dont believe it will hinder the plant very much if at all. In a bad way. IMHO defolieating is the way to go. Makes you feel more of a bound with the plant hahaha. Srry iv rambled forever... high... take care. Keep me posted

Yeah next round will do some training but keeping the leaves intact, whatever works for you. Being high was definitely involved while cutting on the plant, took it a bit far lol.

 

[doc_kush]

I defolieat during flower every time. Althogh most of it is done in veg and early stages of flower but even as of today if there is a leafe casting shade on a the bud i remove it. From the time there sdedlings I LST them and trim as needed to set them up for the best possable grow they can have... to answer your question i dont believe it will hinder the plant very much if at all. In a bad way. IMHO defolieating is the way to go. Makes you feel more of a bound with the plant hahaha. Srry iv rambled forever... high... take care. Keep me posted

Thanks for the response, shhh. I agree with your timing. My last major defoliation was 26 days into flowering after the bloom was showing. After that it has just been maintenence here and there. I like the technique too. Makes sense to me to expose the flowers to as much light as possible as long as possible. I certainly saw no ill effects. Just trying to fine tune my days in flower a bit here at the end, you know. I'll let you know.

 

[Dr. Who]

Thank You Doc, will keep that in mind for the second grow.

Are you saying just cut my losses and harvest now? No sense in wasting electricity if they are mature enough.

Oh no! By all means finish them out!

New guy with a question. Second grow. I have two Critical Kush and 1 LSD plants at 70 days in blackout. (Barneys via The Attitude. All seeds germinated and no hermie issues BTW.) All 3 were FIMed once early (@5 leaf sets), bent and tied often, and defoliated aggressively to expose as many node sites as possible from the time they were very wee tykes. (Later the CKs were defoliated more so than the LSD; they tolerated it much better IMO somewhat contrary to the lit. In fact, I think it may have somewhat stunted the LSD.) Nevertheless, all 3 plants have nice (relatively flat) cola structures (no Xmas tree shapes) to take best advantage of the of my lights (an 8 panel T5 fluorescent). One CK (CK1) has 18 Glade air freshener can sized colas and numerous smaller/shorter well-shaped colas; the other CK (CK2) has 13 somewhat longer (than CK1) colas and fewer of the smaller/shorter well-shaped colas. The LSD has 14 longer colas and some shorthies in the center of the plant - it also has a few more days before harvest than the CKs. I could not be more pleased since improving my yield was a main goal of mine in this grow.

I know I am pushing the havest window to try and get the most potency from my plants. (The lit I have seen say between 60 an 72 days (Average: 66 days) for the CK and between 63 an 75 days (Average: 69 days) for the LSD.) My trichomes are there but difficult for me to see well enough (am old and even with a mag glass can't judge their clarity at all) to judge from that. So I am reduced to the lit, taste testing, and looking at the color and receding of the "hairs" to determine my exact harvest date. (By the look of things, I am almost there on the CKs I think with a few more days on the LSD.)

The question: The bulk of my defoliation took place during veg. But there was some during flowering. Does anyone who defloiates know if doing so DURING flowering "sets back" (elongates the flowing period of) the plants? Stands to reason to me that it might. If so, I might feel better about pushing a little further. I have tricome fever.

Sorry. No pics.

Wish you did have pic's......
Yes it does slow the finish some....(Answered by the guy in the "club" who defoliates)

I defolieat during flower every time. Althogh most of it is done in veg and early stages of flower but even as of today if there is a leafe casting shade on a the bud i remove it. From the time there sdedlings I LST them and trim as needed to set them up for the best possable grow they can have... to answer your question i dont believe it will hinder the plant very much if at all. In a bad way. IMHO defolieating is the way to go. Makes you feel more of a bound with the plant hahaha. Srry iv rambled forever... high... take care. Keep me posted

Defoliation is not needed to "get light to the bud sites"......I am always amazed at this concept!
Here read this.....take the time to, please;

https://www.rollitup.org/t/no-lower-budsites-do-not-need-light-to-develop-get-educated.829061/

This is an off shoot of the first and has valuable info and great pics;

https://www.rollitup.org/t/light.853779/

Bald plants are not beautiful

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[dandyrandy]

I like to watch the fall colors.

 

[doc_kush]

Wish you did have pic's......
Yes it does slow the finish some....(Answered by the guy in the "club" who defoliates)

Thank you for taking the time to ask him. That helps me with my timing decisions. Am interested to see what things look like tomorrow about noon when the lights come back on.

As to pics - I too wish I had the capability to upload some (could set up to do it but too big a hassle at this late stage of the game - maybe next time). However, my son-in-law is a computer pro, and he told me once that all phone pics have GPA coordinates. Ever heard that? If it's true (he's pretty knowlegeable), that gives me pause.