EXCUSE ME?!..The OFFICIAL Bernie Sanders For President 2016 Thread

ttystikk

ttystikk

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Uncle Ben said:
Money is what makes the world go round, you have-not whiny little loser.

If you want a "say" in the system, then get involved....and that doesn't mean seeking moral support from a bunch of liberal RIU kooks in the Politics forum.

Uncle Ben
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So if I want to participate in my democracy, I need to bring enough cash to be heard? How much cash will I need ? Millions? Billions, to compete with Exxon and the Koch brothers?

So you've just come out and said democracy isn't worth saving. You've now completely discredited yourself- and exposed your true inner feelings as a FASCIST.

FASCIST JACKBOOTED THUG! SIEG HEIL!
 
Grandpapy

Grandpapy

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ttystikk said:
That seems to be how it works. We the People need to dismantle the system that favors the money, or we won't have any say at all.
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I wouldn't say dismantle but restructure. Something wrong about oil companies buying up and slowing technology that could lessen our dependance on oil.

"As business leaders, we feel that America’s current energy system is deficient in ways
that cause serious harm to our economy, our national security, and our environment."


http://bipartisanpolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/default/files/AEIC_REPORT_Final.pdf
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Grandpapy said:
I wouldn't say dismantle but restructure. Something wrong about oil companies buying up and slowing technology that could lessen our dependance on oil.

"As business leaders, we feel that America’s current energy system is deficient in ways
that cause serious harm to our economy, our national security, and our environment."


http://bipartisanpolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/default/files/AEIC_REPORT_Final.pdf
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This is a specific and actionable example of how legalizing corruption doesn't make its effects any less destructive.

THIS is the root of America's problems, because behind every 'why the Fuck do they do that?' is another story like this. The variations are endless, but the end result is the same; the stultifying effect eventually destroys the economy.

People figured this out quickly enough in the 1930s and enacted solutions that worked- for EVERYONE, not just business owners.

Yet, there remained a small cadre of extreme wealth and accustomed power in this country who refused to accept that they didn't run things... and set out to maintain the reins of power by any means necessary.

Wealth can almost always find access to power, nothing new there. What was new about America was the idea that there were limits to that power- Constitutional Rights- and that everyone (eventually) was treated equally.

So why is it taken as gospel that lower taxes on higher profits is anything but insane for all involved except that business' shareholders? Since when is it fair that millionaires pay half the tax rates as their hard working employees?

Why is it in any way supportive of the idea of democracy that secret donors can spend unlimited amounts of money on candidates of their choice?

Look around people! America is what a fascist society looks like, because we ARE ONE!
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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MILITARIZED POLICE, who have a separate- and decidedly more lenient- justice system? How is that equal treatment? Is it any wonder that our cops murder THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN CITIZENS EVERY YEAR?

Society is being squeezed because the wealthy are extending their ability to control the economy to illogical extremes- all the while creating a false conflict between two sides of the same fascist face- Republicrat or Demublican, it's become a difference without distinction if corporate power is allowed to manipulate it.

If the megacorps succeed, society will tear itself apart- and even if the rich survive (they won't, and they need to understand that), the world they'll have created for themselves won't be worth having.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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And THAT is why I'm working to see Bernie Sanders elected. The Right in this country is actually recognizing the same problems the Left is, even if couched in different language, and thinking about solutions differently. It's time we ignore the voices of conflict and division and start finding areas of common ground.

Bernie Sanders is the only actual choice if one does not want more of the same. This is why he's been consistently marginalized, even while eventually the establishment is dragged kicking and screaming to his positions over and over.

Why is he hated by the political talk show wind machine with such ferocity? Because he's their biggest threat!

If he represents their biggest threat, he's definitely my candidate.
 
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ChesusRice

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One very great example of wealth is the amount of opportunity that comes your way.
Whether thru new business or political.
 
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ChesusRice

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ttystikk said:
What do you mean by this? I don't follow here.
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Money reproduces money.
No one is going to come to you and me with propositons that can't lose.

I hear all the time about how the wealthy take risks. But in reality those risks are the exception not the rule
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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ChesusRice said:
Money reproduces money.
No one is going to come to you and me with propositons that can't lose.

I hear all the time about how the wealthy take risks. But in reality those risks are the exception not the rule
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Or the ability to produce results in the opportunity to produce more.

90% of all businesses fail within the first 5 years. That isnt a risk? That is an exception? Wow!!
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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ChesusRice said:
I hear all the time about how the wealthy take risks. But in reality those risks are the exception not the rule
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"You hear", huh? :roll: How in the hell would you know? And you're the authority on creating wealth and starting a business, as you piss off your life posting shit to RIU ignoring reputable news sources such as FOX?

Look dumbnuts, I've started a business. I understand the risks involved especially since it's a niche farming business and mother nature has kicked my ass every which way but Sunday - severe storms taking out my well and all newly installed electronics, droughts, excessive rains, winds which laid over my crops. Then there's government wanting to steal what I've earned every chance they get, extensive record keeping (which is driving doctors away), etc.

YOU don't have clue.
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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This is reality for those ignorant smart asses that think they know what business is all about. READ.

BUSINESS OFFER

I'd like to make you a business offer. Seriously. This is a real offer. In fact, you really can't turn me down, as you'll come to understand in a moment...

Here's the deal. You're going to start a business or expand the one you've got now. It doesn't really matter what you do or what you're going to do. I'll partner with you no matter what business you're in – as long as it's legal. But I can't give you any capital – you have to come up with that on your own. I won't give you any labor – that's definitely up to you. What I will do, however, is demand you follow all sorts of rules about what products and services you can offer, how much (and how often) you pay your employees, and where and when you're allowed to operate your business. That's my role in the affair: to tell you what to do.

Now in return for my rules, I'm going to take roughly half of whatever you make in the business, each year. Half seems fair, doesn't it? I think so. Of course, that's half of your profits. You're also going to have to pay me about 12% of whatever you decide to pay your employees because you've got to cover my expenses for promulgating all of the rules about who you can employ, when, where, and how. Come on, you're my partner. It's only "fair."

Now... after you've put your hard-earned savings at risk to start this business and after you've worked hard at it for a few decades (paying me my 50% or a bit more along the way each year), you might decide you'd like to cash out – to finally live the good life.

Whether or not this is "fair" – some people never can afford to retire – is a different argument. As your partner, I'm happy for you to sell out whenever you'd like, because our agreement says, if you sell, you have to pay me an additional 20% of whatever the capitalized value of the business is at that time.

I know... I know... you put up all the original capital. You took all the risks. You put in all of the labor. That's all true. But I've done my part, too. I've collected 50% of the profits each year. And I've always come up with more rules for you to follow each year. Therefore, I deserve another, final 20% slice of the business. Oh... and one more thing…

Even after you've sold the business and paid all of my fees... I'd recommend buying lots of life insurance. You see, even after you've been retired for years, when you die, you'll have to pay me 50% of whatever your estate is worth. After all, I've got lots of partners and not all of them are as successful as you and your family. We don't think it's "fair" for your kids to have such a big advantage. But if you buy enough life insurance, you can finance this expense for your children. All in all, if you're a very successful entrepreneur... if you're one of the rare, lucky, and hard-working people who can create a new company, employ lots of people, and satisfy the public... you'll end up paying me more than 75% of your income over your life. Thanks so much. I'm sure you'll think my offer is reasonable and happily partner with me... but it doesn't really matter how you feel about it because if you ever try to stiff me – or cheat me on any of my fees or rules – I'll break down your door in the middle of the night, threaten you and your family with heavy, automatic weapons, and throw you in jail.

That's how civil society is supposed to work, right? That's the offer America gives its entrepreneurs.
 
Grandpapy

Grandpapy

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Uncle Ben said:
This is reality for those ignorant smart asses that think they know what business is all about. READ.

BUSINESS OFFER

I'd like to make you a business offer. Seriously. This is a real offer. In fact, you really can't turn me down, as you'll come to understand in a moment...

Here's the deal. You're going to start a business or expand the one you've got now. It doesn't really matter what you do or what you're going to do. I'll partner with you no matter what business you're in – as long as it's legal. But I can't give you any capital – you have to come up with that on your own. I won't give you any labor – that's definitely up to you. What I will do, however, is demand you follow all sorts of rules about what products and services you can offer, how much (and how often) you pay your employees, and where and when you're allowed to operate your business. That's my role in the affair: to tell you what to do.

Now in return for my rules, I'm going to take roughly half of whatever you make in the business, each year. Half seems fair, doesn't it? I think so. Of course, that's half of your profits. You're also going to have to pay me about 12% of whatever you decide to pay your employees because you've got to cover my expenses for promulgating all of the rules about who you can employ, when, where, and how. Come on, you're my partner. It's only "fair."

Now... after you've put your hard-earned savings at risk to start this business and after you've worked hard at it for a few decades (paying me my 50% or a bit more along the way each year), you might decide you'd like to cash out – to finally live the good life.

Whether or not this is "fair" – some people never can afford to retire – is a different argument. As your partner, I'm happy for you to sell out whenever you'd like, because our agreement says, if you sell, you have to pay me an additional 20% of whatever the capitalized value of the business is at that time.

I know... I know... you put up all the original capital. You took all the risks. You put in all of the labor. That's all true. But I've done my part, too. I've collected 50% of the profits each year. And I've always come up with more rules for you to follow each year. Therefore, I deserve another, final 20% slice of the business. Oh... and one more thing…

Even after you've sold the business and paid all of my fees... I'd recommend buying lots of life insurance. You see, even after you've been retired for years, when you die, you'll have to pay me 50% of whatever your estate is worth. After all, I've got lots of partners and not all of them are as successful as you and your family. We don't think it's "fair" for your kids to have such a big advantage. But if you buy enough life insurance, you can finance this expense for your children. All in all, if you're a very successful entrepreneur... if you're one of the rare, lucky, and hard-working people who can create a new company, employ lots of people, and satisfy the public... you'll end up paying me more than 75% of your income over your life. Thanks so much. I'm sure you'll think my offer is reasonable and happily partner with me... but it doesn't really matter how you feel about it because if you ever try to stiff me – or cheat me on any of my fees or rules – I'll break down your door in the middle of the night, threaten you and your family with heavy, automatic weapons, and throw you in jail.

That's how civil society is supposed to work, right? That's the offer America gives its entrepreneurs.
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http://www.kochind.com/About_Koch/Business_Development.aspx

Oh so hard for some.....Not so for those that buy votes.

Koch Industries is a company bounded only by its capabilities, not by specific industries or product lines. By reinvesting as much as 90 percent of annual earnings, Koch companies can grow existing businesses, and acquire assets or businesses throughout the world that will allow us to create the greatest value.

KED also seeks to be a capital solution provider for companies that are typically not majority owned and operate independently. Capital can be used for growth, acquisitions, public-to-private transactions, or recapitalization.

Modeling China's business, kinda makes us Communist. just sayin.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Uncle Ben said:
"You hear", huh? :roll: How in the hell would you know? And you're the authority on creating wealth and starting a business, as you piss off your life posting shit to RIU ignoring reputable news sources such as FOX?

Look dumbnuts, I've started a business. I understand the risks involved especially since it's a niche farming business and mother nature has kicked my ass every which way but Sunday - severe storms taking out my well and all newly installed electronics, droughts, excessive rains, winds which laid over my crops. Then there's government wanting to steal what I've earned every chance they get, extensive record keeping (which is driving doctors away), etc.

YOU don't have clue.
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Oooooo he started a business! So that makes you an expert?! I've started more than one, dumbass! The playing field is badly tilted against small business, but taxes sent the enemy; BIG BUSINESS and their unlimited campaign contributions.

You sound like a slave defending his master.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
Uncle Ben said:
This is reality for those ignorant smart asses that think they know what business is all about. READ.

BUSINESS OFFER

I'd like to make you a business offer. Seriously. This is a real offer. In fact, you really can't turn me down, as you'll come to understand in a moment...

Here's the deal. You're going to start a business or expand the one you've got now. It doesn't really matter what you do or what you're going to do. I'll partner with you no matter what business you're in – as long as it's legal. But I can't give you any capital – you have to come up with that on your own. I won't give you any labor – that's definitely up to you. What I will do, however, is demand you follow all sorts of rules about what products and services you can offer, how much (and how often) you pay your employees, and where and when you're allowed to operate your business. That's my role in the affair: to tell you what to do.

Now in return for my rules, I'm going to take roughly half of whatever you make in the business, each year. Half seems fair, doesn't it? I think so. Of course, that's half of your profits. You're also going to have to pay me about 12% of whatever you decide to pay your employees because you've got to cover my expenses for promulgating all of the rules about who you can employ, when, where, and how. Come on, you're my partner. It's only "fair."

Now... after you've put your hard-earned savings at risk to start this business and after you've worked hard at it for a few decades (paying me my 50% or a bit more along the way each year), you might decide you'd like to cash out – to finally live the good life.

Whether or not this is "fair" – some people never can afford to retire – is a different argument. As your partner, I'm happy for you to sell out whenever you'd like, because our agreement says, if you sell, you have to pay me an additional 20% of whatever the capitalized value of the business is at that time.

I know... I know... you put up all the original capital. You took all the risks. You put in all of the labor. That's all true. But I've done my part, too. I've collected 50% of the profits each year. And I've always come up with more rules for you to follow each year. Therefore, I deserve another, final 20% slice of the business. Oh... and one more thing…

Even after you've sold the business and paid all of my fees... I'd recommend buying lots of life insurance. You see, even after you've been retired for years, when you die, you'll have to pay me 50% of whatever your estate is worth. After all, I've got lots of partners and not all of them are as successful as you and your family. We don't think it's "fair" for your kids to have such a big advantage. But if you buy enough life insurance, you can finance this expense for your children. All in all, if you're a very successful entrepreneur... if you're one of the rare, lucky, and hard-working people who can create a new company, employ lots of people, and satisfy the public... you'll end up paying me more than 75% of your income over your life. Thanks so much. I'm sure you'll think my offer is reasonable and happily partner with me... but it doesn't really matter how you feel about it because if you ever try to stiff me – or cheat me on any of my fees or rules – I'll break down your door in the middle of the night, threaten you and your family with heavy, automatic weapons, and throw you in jail.

That's how civil society is supposed to work, right? That's the offer America gives its entrepreneurs.
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Funny, those heavily armed goons never broke into any mansions owned by executives running Fortune 500 companies.... and they've committed malfeasance on a grand scale.

At what point are you going to acknowledge the massive double standards in this country?
 
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schuylaar

Well-Known Member
Uncle Ben said:
This is reality for those ignorant smart asses that think they know what business is all about. READ.

BUSINESS OFFER

I'd like to make you a business offer. Seriously. This is a real offer. In fact, you really can't turn me down, as you'll come to understand in a moment...

Here's the deal. You're going to start a business or expand the one you've got now. It doesn't really matter what you do or what you're going to do. I'll partner with you no matter what business you're in – as long as it's legal. But I can't give you any capital – you have to come up with that on your own. I won't give you any labor – that's definitely up to you. What I will do, however, is demand you follow all sorts of rules about what products and services you can offer, how much (and how often) you pay your employees, and where and when you're allowed to operate your business. That's my role in the affair: to tell you what to do.

Now in return for my rules, I'm going to take roughly half of whatever you make in the business, each year. Half seems fair, doesn't it? I think so. Of course, that's half of your profits. You're also going to have to pay me about 12% of whatever you decide to pay your employees because you've got to cover my expenses for promulgating all of the rules about who you can employ, when, where, and how. Come on, you're my partner. It's only "fair."

Now... after you've put your hard-earned savings at risk to start this business and after you've worked hard at it for a few decades (paying me my 50% or a bit more along the way each year), you might decide you'd like to cash out – to finally live the good life.

Whether or not this is "fair" – some people never can afford to retire – is a different argument. As your partner, I'm happy for you to sell out whenever you'd like, because our agreement says, if you sell, you have to pay me an additional 20% of whatever the capitalized value of the business is at that time.

I know... I know... you put up all the original capital. You took all the risks. You put in all of the labor. That's all true. But I've done my part, too. I've collected 50% of the profits each year. And I've always come up with more rules for you to follow each year. Therefore, I deserve another, final 20% slice of the business. Oh... and one more thing…

Even after you've sold the business and paid all of my fees... I'd recommend buying lots of life insurance. You see, even after you've been retired for years, when you die, you'll have to pay me 50% of whatever your estate is worth. After all, I've got lots of partners and not all of them are as successful as you and your family. We don't think it's "fair" for your kids to have such a big advantage. But if you buy enough life insurance, you can finance this expense for your children. All in all, if you're a very successful entrepreneur... if you're one of the rare, lucky, and hard-working people who can create a new company, employ lots of people, and satisfy the public... you'll end up paying me more than 75% of your income over your life. Thanks so much. I'm sure you'll think my offer is reasonable and happily partner with me... but it doesn't really matter how you feel about it because if you ever try to stiff me – or cheat me on any of my fees or rules – I'll break down your door in the middle of the night, threaten you and your family with heavy, automatic weapons, and throw you in jail.

That's how civil society is supposed to work, right? That's the offer America gives its entrepreneurs.
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sad, sad panda..damn! those rulezzz:cuss:get back to work ben..don't you have a wedding cake to not sell someone?

<insert crybaby meme here>
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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ttystikk said:
Oooooo he started a business! So that makes you an expert?! I've started more than one, dumbass! The playing field is badly tilted against small business,
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Always playing the victim. What a wimp......

Yeah, I've bet you've started hundreds of businesses, all legit too.

Just how many football pots have you started? :bigjoint:
 
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