LED vs HPS

[Tim Fox]

Dude,, sadly Mars housings are about the least efficient led out there, they make more heat than they do light,, sadly, if you already own CFL's I would just keep using those,, if you need a veg light you would be FAR BETTER off building a cob fixture from 5000k cobs, several guys have build threads here for veg lights,

EDIT,, these are not blanket statements,, my mars went into the trash can, you can find my thread on it, wasted money,, its not hot air, its real life experience from me,, bough one, used it,, I tried to make it better,, spent more money ( down the drain I may ad), and replaced it with real leds,,, those blurple lights are a big waste of time and money

 

[Tim Fox]

They do however veg better than cfls , much tighter node spacing and shorter plants are a positive of using the mars hydro for veg. Plus you can replace a cfl fixture for about the same price. I am flowering under some cheap chinese leds on one side and some more expensive ones on the other. Gonna see what I can get out of them.

You seem to try and speak for the whole forum when you talk about cobs, while many agree that cobs are the way to go I have seen plenty of success on these forums using 3w and 5w diodes. Honestly the only thing you don't get is coverage space.

Just saying, maybe you shouldn't make blanket statements it doesn't do anything but make a toxic conversation.

Also it needs to be pointed out,,another new guys singing the praises of 3 and 5 watt leds, ,, just created his profile and has 22 posts, where is mars finding these people?

 

[Siino Gardens]

EDIT,, these are not blanket statements,, my mars went into the trash can, you can find my thread on it, wasted money,, its not hot air, its real life experience from me,, bough one, used it,, I tried to make it better,, spent more money ( down the drain I may ad), and replaced it with real leds,,, those blurple lights are a big waste of time and money

I am not going to argue, you might still be a little butthurt about your experiences but I have had plenty of great crops come out over my 2+ years using LED panels.

Blanket statements don't help consumers pick a product that best suits their needs, and whining about your past experiences like it is golden fact for everyone is a little silly. I didn't say the LED panels I have would work for you, but I also don't discount the fact that they work.

 

[Siino Gardens]

Also it needs to be pointed out,,another new guys singing the praises of 3 and 5 watt leds, ,, just created his profile and has 22 posts, where is mars finding these people?

You can point out all you want, just because someone is new to THIS forum doesn't mean they just started growing yesterday. I would bet that I have leagues more experience and knowledge than you do. I apologize you don't know how to grow weed with LEDs but some of us do.

I also haven't said what brands I use other than a mars in my veg, so continue to be a toxic dickrider. Anymore dribble out of you and it'll be the ignore list.

( here is just ONE grower who has used cheap lights to achieve great things, she goes by Indica Angel and unlike my account she has been around here for quite some time. Instead of being like mr failure who needs a tampon I bring you truth. )

https://www.rollitup.org/t/cookies-and-herer-led-scrog.845825/

[here is another journal posted here, his first time with LED's but 60 grams a plant ain't bad.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/600w-mars-hydro-192x3-first-led-grow.865660/ ]

Lastly I have my own proof for you to experience
https://www.rollitup.org/t/enter-into-the-realm-of-siino-gardens.886783/

 

[ttystikk]

Do cdm bulbs need different ballasts than mh/hps?

yes

Not necessarily. The 860W CDM lamps I'm running want the old school MAGNETIC thousand watt ballast, set to run MH lamps. These are cheap and widely available.

The 315W LEC lamps are designed to run on the real innovation in the package, the digital low frequency square wave ballast. It's the square wave that makes the 315W lamp more efficient, not the lamp itself. These ballasts are generally sold with a lap as a kit.

 

[Tim Fox]

[QUOTE="ttystikk, post: 11997352, member: 32429cdm]Not necessarily. The 860W CDM lamps I'm running want the old school MAGNETIC thousand watt ballast, set to run MH lamps. These are cheap and widely available.

The 315W LEC lamps are designed to run on the real innovation in the package, the digital low frequency square wave ballast. It's the square wave that makes the 315W lamp more efficient, not the lamp itself. These ballasts are generally sold with a lap as a kit.[/QUOTE]
Some people go with the 220 volt ballast with the cdm

 

[Siino Gardens]

Any light you choose to grow with even sunlight will have its ups and downs and quirks, being a grower of anything even food it is our job to adapt our strategy to the environment it is in. For instance, if you go high pressure sodium it is commonly known that most of the light given off isn't even used by the plants. The heat COULD be a positive though, if you are growing in freezing temperatures outside it could stabilize the temperature throughout the winter for ya.

Now if you grab LED's, the cheaper ones put off a high amount of heat as well but the more expensive ones run a lot cooler. This could pose the opposite problem of not having enough heat in your room to maintain optimal temperatures. Also if you use LEDs I would recommend using a trellis and filling out the trellis before flowering. Maximize the light, if your bottom buds aren't up to par then next round snip off the bottom bud sites if you prefer.

Make the best decision that works for you and your goal, if you are growing for personal LEDs do a fine job and the power bill is low, commercial might wanna stick with HPS for now or grab some CoBs as they seem to have a much better footprint. If you live in a city I would suggest LEDs as well just for the fact that there are many people getting caught up from the frequency that the hps ballasts give off, it fucks with the neighbors cable and is easy to trace to you.

Do some homework first, scout out the people who have been successful with the method you want to try and then see if there are more than one achieving success. I don't advocate picking up cheap panels but if you do just be ready to replace them at a moments notice.

I bid this thread ado, don't listen to people who tell you something won't work just because it didn't work for them. The proof is in the pudding not in stories about how ones own ability to adapt wasn't up to par.

was a member since 2009, decided to come back and check it out and share my experiences again. Forgot my old email address and password that I used and so I had to make a new account. Not everything is what it seems.

 

[ttystikk]

Not necessarily. The 860W CDM lamps I'm running want the old school MAGNETIC thousand watt ballast, set to run MH lamps. These are cheap and widely available.

The 315W LEC lamps are designed to run on the real innovation in the package, the digital low frequency square wave ballast. It's the square wave that makes the 315W lamp more efficient, not the lamp itself. These ballasts are generally sold with a lap as a kit.

Some people go with the 220 volt ballast with the cdm

As far as I know, that little 315W ballast has to run on 208/220/240, it won't run at all on wall current. The thousand watt magnetic ballasts generally have receptacles for both 120V and 240V.

 

[ttystikk]

Any light you choose to grow with even sunlight will have its ups and downs and quirks, being a grower of anything even food it is our job to adapt our strategy to the environment it is in. For instance, if you go high pressure sodium it is commonly known that most of the light given off isn't even used by the plants. The heat COULD be a positive though, if you are growing in freezing temperatures outside it could stabilize the temperature throughout the winter for ya.

Now if you grab LED's, the cheaper ones put off a high amount of heat as well but the more expensive ones run a lot cooler. This could pose the opposite problem of not having enough heat in your room to maintain optimal temperatures. Also if you use LEDs I would recommend using a trellis and filling out the trellis before flowering. Maximize the light, if your bottom buds aren't up to par then next round snip off the bottom bud sites if you prefer.

Make the best decision that works for you and your goal, if you are growing for personal LEDs do a fine job and the power bill is low, commercial might wanna stick with HPS for now or grab some CoBs as they seem to have a much better footprint. If you live in a city I would suggest LEDs as well just for the fact that there are many people getting caught up from the frequency that the hps ballasts give off, it fucks with the neighbors cable and is easy to trace to you.

Do some homework first, scout out the people who have been successful with the method you want to try and then see if there are more than one achieving success. I don't advocate picking up cheap panels but if you do just be ready to replace them at a moments notice.

I bid this thread ado, don't listen to people who tell you something won't work just because it didn't work for them. The proof is in the pudding not in stories about how ones own ability to adapt wasn't up to par.

was a member since 2009, decided to come back and check it out and share my experiences again. Forgot my old email address and password that I used and so I had to make a new account. Not everything is what it seems.

Tl;Dr

You're still shilling for obsolete gear- and your shrill tone makes people suspicious.

 

[Siino Gardens]

LoL I had respect for you over the years TT, fortunately for me they added this ignore feature.

Thanks for the chuckle guys, unlike you both I actually have intent to help the others.

 

[hyroot]

My light is bigger than yours

 

[Siino Gardens]

My light is bigger than yours

root! your party cup lady has more hair than mine!!!!!

 

[ttystikk]

My light is bigger than yours

Oh, have I got a light for you, buddy...

Just you wait n see what me and my evil genius buddies are cooking up!

 

[Siino Gardens]

Oh, have I got a light for you, buddy...

Just you wait n see what me and my evil genius buddies are cooking up!

Hopefully its one that makes you less of an asshole

 

[TheChemist77]

As far as I know, that little 315W ballast has to run on 208/220/240, it won't run at all on wall current. The thousand watt magnetic ballasts generally have receptacles for both 120V and 240V.

my 315 plugs directlyinto the wall outlet and you can daisy chain upto 4 units on a 20 amp fuse...

can some one please tell me why a person can diy a bad ass led if they are knowledgable,, wile if you cant diy and buy one from big companies they cost tripple the amount and are not half as good as the diy units??? i mean a company doesnt build 1 lamp, they build them by the thousands,, that should bring the cost of building them down,, not up?? it mAkes no sence to me!!

 

[TheChemist77]

p.s im loving the ceramic lamps so far!!! electric bill is half what it was,, and yield is better than it was running 2 400 watt hps's...oh,, and heat has NOT been a problem,, these things run much cooler then my cooltubes that wer exaughsting heat even!!!

 

[Siino Gardens]

my 315 plugs directlyinto the wall outlet and you can daisy chain upto 4 units on a 20 amp fuse...

can some one please tell me why a person can diy a bad ass led if they are knowledgable,, wile if you cant diy and buy one from big companies they cost tripple the amount and are not half as good as the diy units??? i mean a company doesnt build 1 lamp, they build them by the thousands,, that should bring the cost of building them down,, not up?? it mAkes no sence to me!!

Easiest answer is cheap parts, the ones you use to make your own cost way more than the parts put into the cheap panels. Another is research that goes into this and employees. All the costs add up and are passed on to the consumer. Take away labor/research/cost of warehouse etc etc they might actually be able to put out a nice product for a decent price.

 

[Tim Fox]

You can point out all you want, just because someone is new to THIS forum doesn't mean they just started growing yesterday. I would bet that I have leagues more experience and knowledge than you do. I apologize you don't know how to grow weed with LEDs but some of us do.

I also haven't said what brands I use other than a mars in my veg, so continue to be a toxic dickrider. Anymore dribble out of you and it'll be the ignore list.

( here is just ONE grower who has used cheap lights to achieve great things, she goes by Indica Angel and unlike my account she has been around here for quite some time. Instead of being like mr failure who needs a tampon I bring you truth. )

https://www.rollitup.org/t/cookies-and-herer-led-scrog.845825/

[here is another journal posted here, his first time with LED's but 60 grams a plant ain't bad.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/600w-mars-hydro-192x3-first-led-grow.865660/ ]

Lastly I have my own proof for you to experience
https://www.rollitup.org/t/enter-into-the-realm-of-siino-gardens.886783/

Please take notice of the title of this thread " LED VERSE HPS"" not the "kumbayaaa lets all love one another thread",, its also not titled,, " please prove to me that blurple lights work",,, those are all on another forum,,, and then to compare sunlight to led,, please,, we are not kidnergardners

 

[dandyrandy]

my 315 plugs directlyinto the wall outlet and you can daisy chain upto 4 units on a 20 amp fuse...

can some one please tell me why a person can diy a bad ass led if they are knowledgable,, wile if you cant diy and buy one from big companies they cost tripple the amount and are not half as good as the diy units??? i mean a company doesnt build 1 lamp, they build them by the thousands,, that should bring the cost of building them down,, not up?? it mAkes no sence to me!!

The big cost of good cob led fixtures is in the constant current supplies and the cob itself. Much more markup in lower quality components. I use ~80 cfm to move air through my grow area of ~11 sq feet with 800w of vero 29's. Stays below 84° 6 inches below the led. I built mine like a coolhood. 4 per fixture. DIY you build the light to fit the area. It takes a lot more air to cool 800w of cmh.

 

[Tim Fox]

Many,, Many of us try and do steer many a new comer to the best devices to grow with, many many of us steer them away from blurple lights,, and then we are very happy in the end,
Then on top of that,, many of us DIY LED guys steer new comers to HID HPS MH instead of led when its felt they cant build thier own lights, at least they will be successful in thier work,,