Calcium Def? (just hoping it's not budrot)

BloodKil

Member
Well to give a bit of background info.

4 plant grow for patient with copd/pain issues (may not be relevant and though this grow will go to edibles/oils I don't want to exasperate the medical issues)

Coir/vermiculite mixture (multiple pot sizes)

~216w (I think) t5ho with supplimented 1x 200w (equivilant) 2700k for side lighting (family memeber with card is mid 80s and limited income so I provided equipment I could find online for cheap)

FF nutes trio, with beasty buds and cha ching as late flower suppliments, CAliMAgic supplimentation through *most* of grow

currantly early 6th week since lights flipped

day temps range from mid 70s to 80s and night temps are somewhere ~15° cooler (I have 0 control over day to day fluctuations as old people get cold/hot and play with temp control)

I try to drive up and check on plants or get groceries for patient every 2/3 days but is not a guaranteed schedule so feeding/watering is often off a day depending on when my schedule allows.

*First time grower and just trying to help a sick family member who cannot do it themselves so mistakes are/were made as seen below*

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if more info than above is needed, just ask.


To get to the point ~2 weeks ago I tried upping the beasty boys dosage to about half of its suggested; I had tried half at first usage and burned the shit out of leaves so flushed and slowly came up from less than 1/4 dose; and got moderate burn again. *touchy little plants* around this same feeding I completely cut the Ca/Ma as it had nitrogen in it and the ff feeding schedule was cycling N out of the loop as well. Due to the burn from trying to up the p/k with BB I gave a moderate flush and continued on while the plants seemed to recover well.

Now this week I've been plagued with issues from smells I'm unsure of to some leaf issues I'm hoping are just from my foolish cut of the plants CA supply as its on coir and I flushed what little it had out.

First pics are from 3 days ago. Room that grow area is in had musty smell the previous watering and defiantly smelled so this time as well. Dehumidifier is *constantly* running but possibly not emptied when tank is full right away.

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I think this is 2 budsites and the only 2 showing this at the time. I did best to twist buds apart to check without damaging them to badly and have to say they were pretty hard which I take is a good thing and no brown spots on intirior of bud structures. I left dehumidifier blowing directly on them and as I had other obligations had to leave.

FF to earlier today when I was over to water again. Room now smelled exactly like cantaloupe which I'm hoping explained the musty smell before? Never smelled MJ like that but was told it was a fruity smelling strain from the guy who donated the clones at start of growth so am really hoping that covers the no mold base *eek*. While there I also noticed the patches are spreading on the leaves and has spread to all but 1 plant. These patches are ONLY on sugar leaves of top buds of 3 plants while lower bud sites still look very green/healthy and 4th plant is just starting to look like a bit like it's on the same path of yellowing from points in on its tops. Fan leaves around top buds show the more traditional CA Def I am seeing on leaf charts *pics below*

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As can be seen it's not in the buds but on leaves around them. As a final note the trichomes near and in the dark splotches look like they have brown stuff on their heads *but the heads themselves are still clearish/cloudy* I couldn't get a pic of those though and I have a few lower leaves that were yellowing and dying from the brown patches that came with the BB burn. *forgot to pic them but looks normal for excessive P pics I've seen*

sorry for such a long post but I don't want to put the health of a very sick family member at risk if this is something more than I am aware of. Thanks in advance for your help.
 

tropicalcannabispatient

Well-Known Member
Well to give a bit of background info.

4 plant grow for patient with copd/pain issues (may not be relevant and though this grow will go to edibles/oils I don't want to exasperate the medical issues)

Coir/vermiculite mixture (multiple pot sizes)

~216w (I think) t5ho with supplimented 1x 200w (equivilant) 2700k for side lighting (family memeber with card is mid 80s and limited income so I provided equipment I could find online for cheap)

FF nutes trio, with beasty buds and cha ching as late flower suppliments, CAliMAgic supplimentation through *most* of grow

currantly early 6th week since lights flipped

day temps range from mid 70s to 80s and night temps are somewhere ~15° cooler (I have 0 control over day to day fluctuations as old people get cold/hot and play with temp control)

I try to drive up and check on plants or get groceries for patient every 2/3 days but is not a guaranteed schedule so feeding/watering is often off a day depending on when my schedule allows.

*First time grower and just trying to help a sick family member who cannot do it themselves so mistakes are/were made as seen below*

-------------
if more info than above is needed, just ask.


To get to the point ~2 weeks ago I tried upping the beasty boys dosage to about half of its suggested; I had tried half at first usage and burned the shit out of leaves so flushed and slowly came up from less than 1/4 dose; and got moderate burn again. *touchy little plants* around this same feeding I completely cut the Ca/Ma as it had nitrogen in it and the ff feeding schedule was cycling N out of the loop as well. Due to the burn from trying to up the p/k with BB I gave a moderate flush and continued on while the plants seemed to recover well.

Now this week I've been plagued with issues from smells I'm unsure of to some leaf issues I'm hoping are just from my foolish cut of the plants CA supply as its on coir and I flushed what little it had out.

First pics are from 3 days ago. Room that grow area is in had musty smell the previous watering and defiantly smelled so this time as well. Dehumidifier is *constantly* running but possibly not emptied when tank is full right away.

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I think this is 2 budsites and the only 2 showing this at the time. I did best to twist buds apart to check without damaging them to badly and have to say they were pretty hard which I take is a good thing and no brown spots on intirior of bud structures. I left dehumidifier blowing directly on them and as I had other obligations had to leave.

FF to earlier today when I was over to water again. Room now smelled exactly like cantaloupe which I'm hoping explained the musty smell before? Never smelled MJ like that but was told it was a fruity smelling strain from the guy who donated the clones at start of growth so am really hoping that covers the no mold base *eek*. While there I also noticed the patches are spreading on the leaves and has spread to all but 1 plant. These patches are ONLY on sugar leaves of top buds of 3 plants while lower bud sites still look very green/healthy and 4th plant is just starting to look like a bit like it's on the same path of yellowing from points in on its tops. Fan leaves around top buds show the more traditional CA Def I am seeing on leaf charts *pics below*

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As can be seen it's not in the buds but on leaves around them. As a final note the trichomes near and in the dark splotches look like they have brown stuff on their heads *but the heads themselves are still clearish/cloudy* I couldn't get a pic of those though and I have a few lower leaves that were yellowing and dying from the brown patches that came with the BB burn. *forgot to pic them but looks normal for excessive P pics I've seen*

sorry for such a long post but I don't want to put the health of a very sick family member at risk if this is something more than I am aware of. Thanks in advance for your help.
My friend u have a pk excess, pk excess lockout calcium,magnesium, iron and zink and thats whats going on with your plants, first u need to STOP feeding IMMEDIATELY flush with 2 times the amount of soil, example: 5 gallons of soil- use 10 gallons of water and then in the last gallon add 1/8 of grow big 1/8 of big bloom 1 spoon of calmag 1 spoon of Epson salt and 1 spoon of molasses pour into all plants, half a gallon per plant and leave alone, when soil dries up repeat the dose in the last gallon but without the big bloom and the grow big, then when they dry up again add the big bloom and the grow big at 1/8 each plus the 1 spoon each of Epson salt, calmag and molasses until the week before harvest. Good luck!!
 

BloodKil

Member
My friend u have a pk excess, pk excess lockout calcium,magnesium, iron and zink and thats whats going on with your plants, first u need to STOP feeding IMMEDIATELY flush with 2 times the amount of soil, example: 5 gallons of soil- use 10 gallons of water and then in the last gallon add 1/8 of grow big 1/8 of big bloom 1 spoon of calmag 1 spoon of Epson salt and 1 spoon of molasses pour into all plants, half a gallon per plant and leave alone, when soil dries up repeat the dose in the last gallon but without the big bloom and the grow big, then when they dry up again add the big bloom and the grow big at 1/8 each plus the 1 spoon each of Epson salt, calmag and molasses until the week before harvest. Good luck!!
Shall do and thanks. I also won't make the mistake with so much soluables again of I do future grows for him... I think for the lighting available I went way overboard trying for a half dose of them even.

As far as the last part still researching when to cut that last week out for flush. Looked around quite a bit with no solid info. As its for pain relief and anti inflammatory purposes (eg more cbd than thc needed I think) Would this be at the onset of the first visual amber trichomes? or is there no real way of knowing how fast a strain will mature until I've grow it *eg first time just guess*

thanks for the help on the last and much appreciated if you or anyone else has advice on the "when is it ready for flush"
 

tropicalcannabispatient

Well-Known Member
Shall do and thanks. I also won't make the mistake with so much soluables again of I do future grows for him... I think for the lighting available I went way overboard trying for a half dose of them even.

As far as the last part still researching when to cut that last week out for flush. Looked around quite a bit with no solid info. As its for pain relief and anti inflammatory purposes (eg more cbd than thc needed I think) Would this be at the onset of the first visual amber trichomes? or is there no real way of knowing how fast a strain will mature until I've grow it *eg first time just guess*

thanks for the help on the last and much appreciated if you or anyone else has advice on the "when is it ready for flush"
U should Go with something around 40% milky 60% amber or 30% milky 70 % amber. And don't flush. Just plain water every time she dries up for the last 2 weeks. GL
 
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