help switch over to advanced nutrients!!

[Coco0503]

You admit they are over priced yet somehow justify buying their base products? The way I see it anything over priced is a waste of money but hey whatever works for you!

I think the additives are overpriced but the baseline I don't think is expensive at all. I spent 40 bucks on amazon to get Micro, Grow, and Bloom in 1L bottles and it looks like it's going to last me two grows. The way I justify it is $20 dollars on nutes per grow is incredibly doable, especially when harvest saves me so much money as opposed to seeing my street dealer.

The base is fine for the price, but it's the 60 dollars for 1L bottle of some additive that's absurd. The baseline nutes price competes with most other nutes. But you can bet your ass I'm not going to spend $1200 to be a "grand master grower"

 

[Coco0503]

The sketchiest thing about AN is that they try their hardest to convince you that you need more than the base products when you don't.

 

[az2000]

The sketchiest thing about AN is that they try their hardest to convince you that you need more than the base products when you don't.

Why patronize a company like that? It's not really a religious thing with me. But, if you can do the same NPK ratios using Jacks for $1 per grow, and not support a company that capitalizes on ignorance at the same time... ?

 

[Coco0503]

I don't think that their methods are different than any other company. The goal is always to maximize profits and increase sales through marketing schemes and all that shit. I don't think that they capitalize on ignorance exactly because I've read a few testimonials on forums saying that their products when used in full really do get the best yields of any other competitor. But is $1200 spent on their shit worth a measly 20% increase in yield? I don't think that it is, and that's why I've stuck to their base line.

I'm using AN at the moment for a good bit of reasons:

1. I'm busy and don't want to make my own concoctions
2. I don't have a problem spending $20 on nutes per grow
3. It works just fine for me and I don't want to fix what isn't broken
4. I'm new to growing and still learning
5. It was the first thing that worked for me and it hasn't given me a reason to switch

I'm not saying AN is the best and worth every penny like a lot of their fanboys. I'm not saying that I couldn't get the same results for less money.

I'm saying that the base line isn't a bad price and that I wouldn't knock it to anyone that wanted to try it. Someday if I feel like spending the time to learn all about nutrients and the cheapest way to do it I will stop using AN... but I don't mind spending that $20 per grow. I'm sure your method is great and it's awesome that you've gotten results with $1 per grow, but I just can't rationalize spending the time to do the research and experiment with something new right now.

 

[az2000]

I don't think that their methods are different than any other company.

Maybe you could point me to the JR Peters page that reads like a "Make Money Fast" infomercial, products with Mad Magazine labeles, and names like "Dirty Sanchez and "Slutty Doris?"

You made the claim that the base stuff is competitively priced. I was just following up that if price is a factor, you can get the same nutrients for less -- and not support the ignorance which Advanced Nutrients promotes (which you acknowledged existed). I really don't think "they all" do it. (I use Grow More. They don't even have a consumer-oriented page.).

There's not much to research. I can tell you the NPK ratios which you're using if you give me your feeding schedule, and how to recreate that using Jacks or Sea Grow. It takes about 20 minutes.

I don't really care. If it's working for you, that's great. But, you acknowledged the ignorance which this company preys upon. I just thought, if it's just about price competition, give your money to someone who earns it without the huckster'ism.

 

[orbo]

I'm using fox farm nutrients and looking to try out something new. I was looking into buying advanced nutrients but wasn't sure which nutrients to go with from advanced nutrients. Any one use advanced nutrients and what would u guys recommend buying from advanced nutrients for a noob? Here some pics of my current grow with fox farm nutrients 4 weeks into bloom and will finish this grow with fox farm. Looking for something for next grow and wanted to try out advanced nutrients. Which pack should I go with that has everything I need to grow in soil? And what's best soil to grow using these nutrients?
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Olie, your plants are still looking good man. Rock on.

 

[Coco0503]

I figured it would take more than 20 minutes but if it's that easy to figure out and I don't have to spend a lot of time making my formula each feeding then I'd love to learn and do that instead. Mind if I pm you?

 

[az2000]

I figured it would take more than 20 minutes but if it's that easy to figure out and I don't have to spend a lot of time making my formula each feeding then I'd love to learn and do that instead. Mind if I pm you?

Sure. I'm just going to use this spreadsheet. I don't have any AN stuff in it. You'd have to give me the details from your bottles, how much you use, and it will calculate the resulting NPK ratio. Then using whatever product you want to use (Jacks, Grow More Sea Grow, fish poo, whatever) you can recreate it. If you use Jacks (which is probably more directly comparable to what you're using, being synthetic) it would probably require All Purpose and Bloom Booster. Different proportions through the grow to get different ratios.

So, either you could plug your stuff in and see what's happening, or I can do it. (I'd like to have the info from the AN bottles anyway, to help others.).

I think the first step, without committing to anything, is just to put some NPK ratios to your feedings. Then, it's just a matter of choosing a base and making it produce those ratios. That could be a later step.

You can see what I do here with Grow More Sea Grow as the base. I mix some different sources of nutrients into it to improve the soil health. The minimum necessary to make that work is All Purpose, Flower & Bloom, and some raw potassium sulfate purchased off Amazon or eBay for $4 (enough to last a decade). (Just so you're not overwhelmed by all the bottles you see. I occasionally throw something different in to give the soil something tasty.)

 

[Smokenpassout]

People hate advanced. But It has always given me great results. I use iguana grow and bloom for base nutrients, and you really dont need anything else.