Poor Man's - PH Up & PH Down - Cal Mag - MicroNutes - Potassium

[saiyaneye]

UNTESTED THEORY/HYPOTHESIS

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I just think about shit and want others opinions, input, help, and possibly even someone to try some of this with me.

It's not like I have 20 plants to test things with. I just grow for personal consumption, 3-6 plants is all I will ever grow. I have been enjoying growing for the past ten years and will probably do so for the rest of my life.

I hope some others can help me do these tests and post results, I will be doing the same.

This run and the several next runs, I am going to be experimenting with a lot of different cheap methods. Trying to think of every day things we can use that can be found at everyone's local grocery store. I want to think of and find cheap ways to improve overall soil health, plant health, growth rate, and yield. I have been thinking of doing a lot of things this run people may or may.

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Can someone clear up, what the hell percentages mean on nutrients. I mean, why aren't they measured in MG or Grams? It doesn't make sense. How the hell can you really determine how much nutrients you are putting in your plants?​

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Been looking at Google and have not found too much about using these as plant nutrient supplements.

Will the actual "flavor" of these spices effect the overall finished product? Cinnamon may be nice, but mustard would probably be terrible.

Cinnamon In Depth Nutrient Profile
Cinnamon is alkaline (PH UP) I don't know how much is too much though per gallon...Cinnamon is also rich in magnesium, phosphorus, calcium, and potassium. It also has good amounts of sodium, iron, and manganese, along with small amounts of zinc, copper, and selenium. Another thing about cinnamon is that it has excellent fungicidal and pesticidal properties. The sodium may be the only bad thing in the cinnamon for our babies. Seems like it would be a great micro nutrient for flowering
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2 Tbspn
Calcium 52.10 mg
Copper 0.02 mgIron 0.43 mg
Magnesium 3.12 mg
Manganese 0.91 mg
Phosphorus 3.33 mg
Potassium 22.41 mg
Selenium 0.16 mcg
Sodium 0.52 mg
Zinc 0.10 mg
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Mustard Seeds Ground In-depth nutrient profile
Mustard Seed Powder is very acidic, about the only acidic spice I could find that is low in salt. It also has pesticidal properties from what I have been reading. Despite the bad taste, it should be able to help bring your PH to a desired level.
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2 Tbsp
Calcium 10.64 mg
Copper 0.03 mg
Iron 0.37 mg
Magnesium 14.80 mg
Manganese 0.10 mg
Phosphorus 33.12 mg
Potassium 29.52 mg
Selenium 8.32 mcg - Will the plant even utilize this, or is this bad for cannabis
Sodium 0.52 mg
Zinc 0.24 mg
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Any other suggestions for common cheap store found items, for nutrients or PH Up or PH Down?

 

[orbo]

I'm liking where this is going saiyaneye. One question, I see you have identified a volume (2 Tbsp) for the mustang but what is the volume for the numbers posted relative to the cinnamon?

 

[orbo]

Another alternative to pH down is to dissolve eggshells in distilled white vinegar. As the vinegar dissolves the eggshells the calcium neutralizes the vinegar HOWEVER as the process is occurring the vinegar becomes super saturated with calcium and usually still has plenty of acetic acid left to provide pH down capabilities. There comes a point in the soaking process where the vinegar completely neutralizes but until then its good for both Ca addition AND pH down. *** Use caution as Ca locks Mg and P so be mindful of this if you intend to use it as a pH down. my .02 cents

 

[saiyaneye]

I'm liking where this is going saiyaneye. One question, I see you have identified a volume (2 Tbsp) for the mustang but what is the volume for the numbers posted relative to the cinnamon?

Edited....There are links to a more detailed page with more info on the nutrients in the spices

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Well I just wonder how many MG is too much with all of these, or if our plants even use some of these. Wtf is Selenium,
Boron
Calcium
Chloride
Chromium
Copper
Fluoride
Iodine
Iron
Magnesium
Manganese
Molybdenum
Phosphorus
Potassium
Selenium
Sodium
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[orbo]

UNTESTED THEORY/HYPOTHESIS

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Been looking at Google and have not found too much about using these as plant nutrient supplements.

Will the actual "flavor" of these spices effect the overall finished product? Cinnamon may be nice, but mustard would probably be terrible.

Here's a little fact-toid...I use mustard for curing and smoking meats all the time. It rarely imparts any flavor at all on the meats. Its used to hold the dry rubs in place during the smoking/curing process. Makes me wonder if it would behave the same as a nutrient? ie no flavor.

 

[saiyaneye]

I don't have any mustard powder, i want to taste it to see what it tastes like. Lol, I mean people use coffee grounds in soils, your buds dont taste like coffee do they lol?

 

[orbo]

Edited....There are links to a more detailed page with more info on the nutrients in the spices

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Well I just wonder how many MG is too much with all of these, or if our plants even use some of these. Wtf is Selenium,
Boron
Calcium
Chloride
Chromium
Copper
Fluoride
Iodine
Iron
Magnesium
Manganese
Molybdenum
Phosphorus
Potassium
Selenium
Sodium
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From Wiki -
Selenium salts are toxic in large amounts, but trace amounts are necessary for cellular function in many organisms, including all animals. Selenium is an ingredient in many multivitamins and other dietary supplements, including infant formula. It is a component of the antioxidant enzymes glutathione peroxidase and thioredoxin reductase (which indirectly reduce certain oxidized molecules in animals and some plants). It is also found in three deiodinase enzymes, which convert one thyroid hormone to another. Selenium requirements in plants differ by species, with some plants requiring relatively large amounts, and others apparently requiring none.

 

[KingBlunted]

Lemon juice ph down. I've heard of cinnamon working as a rooting agent as well. Similar to aloe vera.

 

[saiyaneye]

Cream of Tartar - Acidic

 

[saiyaneye]

Lemon juice ph down. I've heard of cinnamon working as a rooting agent as well. Similar to aloe vera.

That's what turned me onto this. It went from reading about honey as RGH, to Cinnamon as RGH. Cinnamon as pesticide/fungicide, Adding RGH to your watering can/res, now this

 

[saiyaneye]

Cream of Tarter is acidic and LOADED with Potassium.

Another name for Cream Of Tarter is Potassium bitartrate

 

[saiyaneye]

Sorry, I keep finding new things and posting very rapidly.

Mustard Seed is loaded with Phosphorous and Potassium

Hell, if you knew what you were doing, you could mix these powdered spices and probably come up with your own powdered nutes, I don't know what you could do for nitrogen but this is 100% organic. All these spices are easily found at your grocery store and you can get them with your EBT too, broke people like me.

 

[churchhaze]

Use potassium hydroxide for pH up and nitric or phosphoric acid for pH down.

Stop making threads to help people when you're clearly a noob yourself.

 

[LetsGetCritical]

car battery acid is good ph down

 

[hotrodharley]

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Can someone clear up, what the hell percentages mean on nutrients. I mean, why aren't they measured in MG or Grams? It doesn't make sense. How the hell can you really determine how much nutrients you are putting in your plants?​

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You use a mysterious object called an "EC Meter".

 

[saiyaneye]

car battery acid is good ph down

Battery acid is about as far away from natural as it gets, right?

Use potassium hydroxide for pH up and nitric or phosphoric acid for pH down.

Stop making threads to help people when you're clearly a noob yourself.

You don't have to be a dick, sorry I am thinking about things that you really can't find much information on. Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. Where can you get potassium hydroxide and nitric or phosphoric acid? I don't think you know the direction I am trying to go with this thread. Basically I am wanting to stick to organic food products that can be found on the shelves of your grocery store. Sorry, I'm a noob and don't know everything.

 

[churchhaze]

Have fun with your mustard seeds.

 

[saiyaneye]

Oh, I will

 

[bird mcbride]

When you start using non-composted organics such as lemon juice etc your asking for a whole bunch of problems.

 

[saiyaneye]

Okay, I really just didn't know, I'm just a noob