Curious about your energy use.

Med4us

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Hey Everyone, as the title says I'm curious about you energy use. I have 2 600w lights, a 296gal pump, a 110w commercial air pump, 2 small osculating fans and a 6and 4 inch exhaust fans. My regular household power consumption was 250-350 kw per month, however in the last 2 months my usage has gone yup 10 fold. Prior to setting the room up I calculated the wattage and had planned for about $50 per month increase but in the last two months to see my usage spike to 1600 and 2500 KW with a $300 price tag has made me a little sick. The only things I can think of is that the dehumidifier I added is sucking the power or maybe the space heater, although the space heater has been running longer then the last 2 months. Do any of you have dehumidifiers and if so has it spiked your bill?IMG_1773.JPG
 

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ArcticOrange

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I mean running 1 600w 2 70w extraction fans, one dehuey, 1 18 in oscilating fan 1 6in fan. A 100w t5, and occasionally an air pump, second t5 or heat matt. 1200 KWH/month. Yea this shit ain't cheap. Your lights draw more than 600w a piece, more like 700 a piece easy. Idk how big your dehuey is but I think mines rated over 1kw
 

hotrodharley

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Hey Everyone, as the title says I'm curious about you energy use. I have 2 600w lights, a 296gal pump, a 110w commercial air pump, 2 small osculating fans and a 6and 4 inch exhaust fans. My regular household power consumption was 250-350 kw per month, however in the last 2 months my usage has gone yup 10 fold. Prior to setting the room up I calculated the wattage and had planned for about $50 per month increase but in the last two months to see my usage spike to 1600 and 2500 KW with a $300 price tag has made me a little sick. The only things I can think of is that the dehumidifier I added is sucking the power or maybe the space heater, although the space heater has been running longer then the last 2 months. Do any of you have dehumidifiers and if so has it spiked your bill?View attachment 3576284
Is the air pump aerating DWC and running 24/7? Plus 2 600 watt lights at my place add on about $60 a month with the fuel adjustment ripoff shit and all. People find out quick why high grade ain't cheap to buy.
 

orbo

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Assuming your Electric costs are $.10 per kWh;

600W x 12 hours = 7200W. 7200W / 1000 - 7.2 daily kHw. 7.2 * 30 days = 216 kWh per month. 216 kWH * $.10 = $21.60 per month per light.

So, your costs to run the lights alone are nearly $50.00 per month @ .10 per kWh. I'm guessing you may have underestimated the usage. And most likely that pump is the watt-gobbler in your equation.

EDIT: Oh heck, that pump is only .034 hp...disregard the watt-gobbler comment.
 

Med4us

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I'm thinking it is mostly the dehumidifier with a little help from the air pump. The space heater wasn't really running when my bill spiked but since it's been running pretty steady for the last month I'm afraid to see the next bill. I was wondering though if it's possible that my ballasts could be sucking way more power than rated? Both are lumitek 600w but one is a used older version. I also bought the dehumidifier used, it's a whirlpool energy star rated model but I notice that sometimes while it's running it almost stutters like the compressor kicks on and of a few times, makes me wonder if that stuttering is eating the energy.
 

jijiandfarmgang

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I was wondering though if it's possible that my ballasts could be sucking way more power than rated? Both are lumitek 600w but one is a used older version.
Most likely 10 percent more


I also bought the dehumidifier used, it's a whirlpool energy star rated model but I notice that sometimes while it's running it almost stutters like the compressor kicks on and of a few times, makes me wonder if that stuttering is eating the energy.
Stuttering is most likely normal.

I think it was mentioned before but you should buy a device like a kill-a-watt if you really want to be meticulous.

Look at your grow overall for energy savings. For instance some people constantly bring in cold air, and use a heater because someone told them the plants need constantly exchanged air.

Focus on temp and humidity, and lastly air exchange if in fact thats an issue for you.

- Jiji
 

Gquebed

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2 x1000
3 inline fans
1 T5 six 4' bulbs
1 space heater
1 12000 btu window a/c
2 circ fans

About 1400 kw per month

Just added a dehumidifier....will see how that adds to the usage in a month...
 

ttystikk

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I'm thinking it is mostly the dehumidifier with a little help from the air pump. The space heater wasn't really running when my bill spiked but since it's been running pretty steady for the last month I'm afraid to see the next bill. I was wondering though if it's possible that my ballasts could be sucking way more power than rated? Both are lumitek 600w but one is a used older version. I also bought the dehumidifier used, it's a whirlpool energy star rated model but I notice that sometimes while it's running it almost stutters like the compressor kicks on and of a few times, makes me wonder if that stuttering is eating the energy.
I had a similar problem; my 860CDM lamps with the magnetic ballasts they run on actually pull 1100W from the wall. It was a crucial factor in my decision to go all COB LED.
 

ttystikk

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This subject IS my wheelhouse.

Dehueys suck power TWICE; once for themselves and then again for your HVAC system to get rid of all the heat they generate! This was a prime consideration for me when I decided to get into water cooling, because a water cooled air handler both cools and removes moisture simultaneously. It still needs dry heat to complete the dehumidification cycle, but that's what HID lamps do best! Because they most surely do put out more heat than they do light. At night one might need additional heating, but that's why I bought a heat pump.

This unit pulls heat from the cooling circuit and puts it in the heating circuit. Hot water can now be passed through baseboard registers in the grow room to provide... FREE HEAT! It's already been created by the op itself, why not get a second bite at it and save some money in the process?

The cooling circuit cools the grow room, RDWC tubs, dehumidifies and cools all attendant components. The heating circuit heats my home, my domestic hot water, provides dry heat for dehuey at night, and soon will provide heat for my garage, hot tub and even a driveway snow removal circuit. If I had a greenhouse it could keep it warm in a Colorado winter, too.

Now THAT'S what growroom efficiency looks like, and I'm only just getting started!
 

orbo

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This subject IS my wheelhouse.

Dehueys suck power TWICE; once for themselves and then again for your HVAC system to get rid of all the heat they generate! This was a prime consideration for me when I decided to get into water cooling, because a water cooled air handler both cools and removes moisture simultaneously. It still needs dry heat to complete the dehumidification cycle, but that's what HID lamps do best! Because they most surely do put out more heat than they do light. At night one might need additional heating, but that's why I bought a heat pump.

This unit pulls heat from the cooling circuit and puts it in the heating circuit. Hot water can now be passed through baseboard registers in the grow room to provide... FREE HEAT! It's already been created by the op itself, why not get a second bite at it and save some money in the process?

The cooling circuit cools the grow room, RDWC tubs, dehumidifies and cools all attendant components. The heating circuit heats my home, my domestic hot water, provides dry heat for dehuey at night, and soon will provide heat for my garage, hot tub and even a driveway snow removal circuit. If I had a greenhouse it could keep it warm in a Colorado winter, too.

Now THAT'S what growroom efficiency looks like, and I'm only just getting started!
Holy shit why didn't I think of it sooner. SOLAR PANELS. Throw a couple of those in there and with tty's setup the power company will be paying you to grow. bongsmiliebongsmiliebongsmilie

EDIT: Seriously, imagine lining a tent with flexible solar panel material.
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/p/flexible-solar-cells-mario-pagliaro/1101205865/2672064385393
 
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ttystikk

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Holy shit why didn't I think of it sooner. SOLAR PANELS. Throw a couple of those in there and with tty's setup the power company will be paying you to grow. bongsmiliebongsmiliebongsmilie

EDIT: Seriously, imagine lining a tent with flexible solar panel material.
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/p/flexible-solar-cells-mario-pagliaro/1101205865/2672064385393
You're much better off covering your house's roof with them.

Besides, your growroom is already covered in solar panels, also known as LEAVES. LOL
 

Abiqua

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Holy shit why didn't I think of it sooner. SOLAR PANELS. Throw a couple of those in there and with tty's setup the power company will be paying you to grow. bongsmiliebongsmiliebongsmilie

EDIT: Seriously, imagine lining a tent with flexible solar panel material.
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/p/flexible-solar-cells-mario-pagliaro/1101205865/2672064385393
look up Solyndra...they were a spanish company recently bankrupted that provided the read deal flexible solar panels, one example is solar roofing...much "higher" efficiency....there was a recently closed plant here in the 503, that was initially propped up by Millions from the local government before it went kaput earlier this year....that shit is real deal though.
 

ttystikk

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look up Solyndra...they were a spanish company recently bankrupted that provided the read deal flexible solar panels, one example is solar roofing...much "higher" efficiency....there was a recently closed plant here in the 503, that was initially propped up by Millions from the local government before it went kaput earlier this year....that shit is real deal though.
It's good stuff, yes. Solar kicks ass all day long, primetime in the sunshine! The problem is what happens after dark. This is why I believe that solar is a very important component of an energy generation scheme- but it will never be the whole answer.

Fuel cells on the other hand can provide power anytime, independent of weather conditions. I think a mix of these plus wind power to taste can easily be the foundation of a new energy economy that isn't fossil fuel dependent. Yes, I know natural gas is fracked- but it's called natural gas for a reason. It's methane, same gas that comes from composting and decomposition.

I just learned from NPR.org this morning that Weld County, Colorado is the home of America's largest new methane biodigester facility. They'll be using manure from a local dairy farm (Noosa?! They're local!) and mixing it with yard clippings and other compostable materials to achieve the best mix. The leftovers are high grade fully composted bio material for organically fertilizing fields, and thus no longer a hazard to the environment.

Grand Junction, Colorado has been using methane from its own waste water treatment facility to power most of the city's fleet of otherwise diesel powered city vehicles like snowplows, buses and trash trucks. Yes, that's right, people poop power is saving the city hundreds of thousands a year in fuel savings alone!

Chemically speaking, methane = biogas = natural gas = a clean energy future. It's a powerful argument.

This argument becomes a slam dunk when one learns that methane is one of a relatively few hydrocarbons that's ready for fuel cell use unaltered. Fuel cells convert the energy of hydrocarbons into electricity at up to 65% efficiency, or TWICE that of power plants burning other fossil fuels! What else comes out of a running fuel cell besides electricity, you ask? Heat, water vapor... and carbon dioxide. Ohhhh yeah.
 

Abiqua

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@ttystikk

look up Jean Pain...I admire his sensibilities about methane and other types of passive power....I could make your head spin with that discussion above....as could you I imagine....I have been reading studying about alternative sources of power since 99 or so at least..... Ran windmills for power tools etc etc, passive water heating, passive solar, geothermal, solar sewers,

all I have to say is passive energy at all levels, more utilized, is the future, it has to be, or we don't survive imho...... not the biosphere, just silly large brain panners like ourselves.
 
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