Suicide

[chuckbane]

the only reason i have argued this this far is because someone said it is courageous to kill yourself when in fact it is the opposite.... its wayy to easy to swallow a bottle of pills and die, but it takes courage to pull through, because there is always a brighter day waiting for you,,, you just have to have the COURAGE to find it and get to it

 

[shimmer]

There are very few people who are entirely complete and have knowledge of the fact. We're all complete, all perfect, to think otherwise is to challenge the universe itself, but that's how we as a species roll. I have many many personal prejudices. I see many monsters, and they're not all outside of me either. I think some folks are just a little out of their depth here, i can't imagine anyone not taking the option to die by their own hand if they were forced to endure incredible physical torture, thereby suggesting they are unfamiliar with its psychological/emotional equivalent. We need also to address the fact that we do not come into this world, we come out of it, this is one of the fundamental mistakes we make , and it is in my opinion a precursor to the kind of thinking that would drive a person to commit suicide.

 

[Stoney McFried]

It does take courage to put the knife to your wrist and saw away, or the gun in your mouth, or to swallow those pills and wait to die while all the time being uncertain of what awaits you if anything.

the only reason i have argued this this far is because someone said it is courageous to kill yourself when in fact it is the opposite.... its wayy to easy to swallow a bottle of pills and die, but it takes courage to pull through, because there is always a brighter day waiting for you,,, you just have to have the COURAGE to find it and get to it

 

[Dfunk]

LOOK at my last post for the answer to your stable brain question. A stable mind can make choices with no problems so if someone wants to off themselves than all they have to do is make the choice & die.

 

[chuckbane]

sure,, ill agree it takes courage to kill yourself,, but it takes more courage to not kill yourself when you have to courage to do it... think of that... you can always justify life with the optimisic thought thatn things will get better

 

[Stoney McFried]

But they don't always get better.I'm not an optimist, I'm a realist.Many suicides are, I think.

sure,, ill agree it takes courage to kill yourself,, but it takes more courage to not kill yourself when you have to courage to do it... think of that... you can always justify life with the optimisic thought thatn things will get better

 

[Dfunk]

^What you say here is very true if you like life. What if you like death? Is something wrong with that?

 

[chuckbane]

the only reason why things couldnt be better is because the person chooses not to get better,, we have plently of programs to help people in these kinds of situations but many choose not to use these services properly.

the only people that have the right to die are the poeple that know that things will never get better only worse,, and these are terminal people in pain. when my mind was less developed and i was depressed i often fealt like things would never get better.. but i waited years and now they have. i look back on my days of contemplation and i couldnt image if i had done it. i lived a very lonely and depressing life for quite a few years, but i was courageous and held on and i am here now with the love of my life feeling happier than i ever have in my life.. why? because i was strong and courageous and i made it.

 

[waterwitch]

deep shit man!

 

[Johnnyorganic]

the only reason why things couldnt be better is because the person chooses not to get better,, we have plently of programs to help people in these kinds of situations but many choose not to use these services properly.

the only people that have the right to die are the poeple that know that things will never get better only worse,, and these are terminal people in pain. when my mind was less developed and i was depressed i often fealt like things would never get better.. but i waited years and now they have. i look back on my days of contemplation and i couldnt image if i had done it. i lived a very lonely and depressing life for quite a few years, but i was courageous and held on and i am here now with the love of my life feeling happier than i ever have in my life.. why? because i was strong and courageous and i made it.

You represent the prejudice and stigma facing the mentally ill every day.

It seems you are implying the mentally ill choose to be ill.

That is a callous and unsympathetic attitude.

 

[shimmer]

the only reason why things couldnt be better is because the person chooses not to get better,, we have plently of programs to help people in these kinds of situations but many choose not to use these services properly.

the only people that have the right to die are the poeple that know that things will never get better only worse,, and these are terminal people in pain. when my mind was less developed and i was depressed i often fealt like things would never get better.. but i waited years and now they have. i look back on my days of contemplation and i couldnt image if i had done it. i lived a very lonely and depressing life for quite a few years, but i was courageous and held on and i am here now with the love of my life feeling happier than i ever have in my life.. why? because i was strong and courageous and i made it.

Imagine that with a jacob's ladder as a chaser.

 

[Stoney McFried]

Programs don't work for everyone.Programs are there to "reprogram" you.And you can't say who has what right...it's their life to do with as they please.The less developed mind comment seems to be a thinly veiled insult.Geniuses have committed suicide.Artists.Poets.Philosophers.If anyone could enjoy the distinction of having a "developed"mind, it would be they.And, no offense, but that last line smacks of arrogance.Many people try to feel better than others in some small way.It's the "well at least I didn't do this"syndrome.So is being "strong and courageous" your way to say, "My way is the right way?"

the only reason why things couldnt be better is because the person chooses not to get better,, we have plently of programs to help people in these kinds of situations but many choose not to use these services properly.

the only people that have the right to die are the poeple that know that things will never get better only worse,, and these are terminal people in pain. when my mind was less developed and i was depressed i often fealt like things would never get better.. but i waited years and now they have. i look back on my days of contemplation and i couldnt image if i had done it. i lived a very lonely and depressing life for quite a few years, but i was courageous and held on and i am here now with the love of my life feeling happier than i ever have in my life.. why? because i was strong and courageous and i made it.

 

[Dfunk]

We are pleased to hear that. It's just a choice in my opinion. It's not good or bad,right or wrong, it just is.

 

[chuckbane]

But they don't always get better.I'm not an optimist, I'm a realist.Many suicides are, I think.

you can be an optimist and a realist at the same time you know. i am. i look at the reality of life but i up-play the good things because you can go your whole life dwelling on all the negative aspects but its just going to make life shitty. i choose to make my life good in anyway i can

 

[Stoney McFried]

Good...and you can run your life any way you see fit.Pessimists are negative.Realists are neither.

you can be an optimist and a realist at the same time you know. i am. i look at the reality of life but i up-play the good things because you can go your whole life dwelling on all the negative aspects but its just going to make life shitty. i choose to make my life good in anyway i can

 

[chuckbane]

wow stoney, you are great at turning around other peoples words... you dont get it though.. the only point i have been trying to prove is that it is cowardly and selfish to kill yourself and courageous to make it through and i already made that point. arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall,, no matter what you say to it it just always replies "BRICK"... good for you,, maybe one day you will grow up and figure shit out,,, untill then..

 

[Johnnyorganic]

My friend was always seen as eccentric when he was successful. But a personal tragedy pushed him over the edge and completely overwhelmed him. I understand now that he was dealing with his mental illness as best he could when times were good. When his life was turned upside down, he lost everything, including his precious grasp on sanity.

That was in 2001. He has never recovered. He lost a prestigious position shortly thereafter and bounces from job to job, assuming he can get one now. He has basically given up and is waiting to die. He does not wish to die, but sees no other alternative.

He tried to kill himself in 2001. Not too long ago, we were talking and he said to me, "John, I'm already dead. My body just hasn't figured it out.'

Do you really expect me to respond with, 'Have courage!", or '"Everybody gets the blues. Shake it off!"?

 

[Stoney McFried]

WOW!I think you just described yourself to a tee, chuck.Read what you wrote.Now read between the lines.MY WAY IS THE ONLY WAY comes through loud and clear.I don't need to grow up.I have my own opinions.You have yours.Just because I don't agree, doesn't make me less than you as a person.Doesn't mean I am lacking in intelligence or maturity.The insults are really not necessary.I think, I've showed restraint.You haven't.

wow stoney, you are great at turning around other peoples words... you dont get it though.. the only point i have been trying to prove is that it is cowardly and selfish to kill yourself and courageous to make it through and i already made that point. arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall,, no matter what you say to it it just always replies "BRICK"... good for you,, maybe one day you will grow up and figure shit out,,, untill then..

 

[Stoney McFried]

I'm sorry to hear about your friend Johnny.I've been where he is emotionally.And I still have no advice for him because each person handles things differently.

My friend was always seen as eccentric when he was successful. But a personal tragedy pushed him over the edge and completely overwhelmed him. I understand now that he was dealing with his mental illness as best he could when times were good. When his life was turned upside down, he lost everything, including his precious grasp on sanity.

That was in 2001. He has never recovered. He lost a prestigious position shortly thereafter and bounces from job to job, assuming he can get one now. He has basically given up and is waiting to die. He does not wish to die, but sees no other alternative.

He tried to kill himself in 2001. Not too long ago, we were talking and he said to me, "John, I'm already dead. My body just hasn't figured it out.'

Do you really expect me to respond with, 'Have courage!", or '"Everybody gets the blues. Shake it off!"?

 

[Zekedogg]

You people are nuts..........suicide is for the weak..........to even consider it is for the weak.........It not only affects you but think of the people around you........It's ignorant and selfish